Venerate

[iannassah]

PaladinValer,
I go by and read The Holy Bible... I also study the original Greek words that The Holy Bible was written in so it is unnecessary to read another version that came after the original scrolls. I do not go/live by what man says or teaches unless it adds up with God's Word. This is a verse from some of those that you venerate:

"But Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said:
"We ought to obey God rather than men."
Acts 5:29​

 

[Manardo]

you surely are not implying that Catholics are not saved... that violates forum rules.[/quote]


You right....i am not implying!

 

[iannassah]

Look up the definitions for the word "worship" for yourself... not according to Webster's but look up the original Aramaic/Hebrew & Greek words.... please post what you find!!!

Where in God's Word does it say to build, make or mold images and venerate them? i can only accept verse(s) & Chapter(s) from The Holy Bible!

 

[jckstraw72]

Where in God's Word does it say to build, make or mold images and venerate them? i can only accept verse(s) & Chapter(s) from The Holy Bible!

where is that criteria found in the Bible?

 

[Manardo]

My point is that many biblical facts and proofs have been displayed throughout this thread that are very clear on what God's word says....the Catholics here have posted things that were unscriptural and therefore have no real place to stand on.....it's very simple ....Indeed God speaks still today, but He doesn't contradict Himself! His Word is sure and true!

 

[Manardo]

the more that you guys say the more it supports my post #120!

 

[iannassah]

where is that criteria found in the Bible?

If you don't know yet then it would be a good idea to check out God's Word for yourself and find out

We are so blessed to have God's Word!!!

 

[Epiphanygirl]

For the persecutions of Apostolic Christians everywhere...

Prayer for Patience

O glorious St. Paul, who from a persecutor of Christianity, didst become a most ardent apostle of zeal; and who to make known the Savior Jesus Christ unto the ends of the world didst suffer with joy imprisonment, scourgings, stonings, shipwrecks and persecutions of every kind...and in the end didst shed thy blood to the last drop, obtain for us the grace to receive, as favors of the Divine Mercy, infirmaties, tribulations, and misfortunes of the present life, so that the vicissitudes of this our exile will not render us cold in the service of God, but will render us always more faithful and more fervant.
Amen ​

 

[Epiphanygirl]

To lead others away from heresy..........

Novena to St. Peter

O Holy Apostle, because you are the Rock upon which Almighty God has built His church; obtain for me I pray you, livley faith, firm hope and burning love; complete detatchment from myself, contempt of the world, patience in adversity, humility in properity, recollection in prayer, purity in heart, a right intention in all my works, diligence in fulfilling the duties of my state of life, constancy in my resolutions, resignation in the will of God and perseverance in the grace of God even unto death; that so, by means of your intercession and your glorious merits, I may be made worthy to appear before the Chief and Eternal Shepard of Souls, Jesus Christ, Who with the Father and the Holy Spirit loves and reigns forever.
Amen ​

 

[lionroar0]

If you don't know yet then it would be a good idea to check out God's Word for yourself and find out

We are so blessed to have God's Word!!!

I bet $50.00 He knows the Word better then you.

Peace

 

[Manardo]

It's just to bad that those prayers are in vain....those saints cannot hear you!

 

[Manardo]

i will bet you $200 that she knows the Bible better than both of you put together!

 

[kepha31]

WORSHIP is the adoration and reverence that we give ONLY to God. St. Aquinas distinguished this kind of worship that is due only to God with the theological term latria, derived from the Greek, latreia meaning "service, worship".
Veneration is derived, in St. Aquinas's distinctions, from another Greek word, doulia. This theological term refers to the respect and honor given to saints and angels on account of their supernatural excellence with God.
These are entirely two different things. Worship is adoration given only to God because He is God and the Creator of all things.
We Venerate the saint and angels because God has graced and honored the Saints with Salvation and a place in heaven, and has honored the angels with His heavenly presence and service to Him. When we honor what God has honored in this special way, we honor God.
This is similar to the human family. If my daughter is given an award, or given honor and respect from people because of some great thing she has accomplished, that honors me. What honors the child, honors the parent.
To Venerate objects like the True Cross is similar. We give honor and notice to those objects because they are objects that hold great value and honor with God. The Bible has examples of people honoring objects (relics) such as in Acts 19:11-12.
In human experience, trivial as it is, we see something similar. A person may honor and admire our home, or car, or the degrees we have hanging on the wall. When those people give admiration for those things that we have, it honors us.
To honor a man's possessions is to honor the man.
To give honor to the True Cross gives honor to the person who died upon it. To honor a relic is to honor the saint to whom it belonged and who served God with distinction.
This honoring (veneration) of people or objects is not worshipping. It is not idolatry. The honor is given not because of the person or thing in-and-of-itself. Rather it is given only because that person or object has some special connection to God of whom we love.

The Veneration without that connection with God is meaningless.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I bet $50.00 He knows the Word better then you.

Peace

Yep.............How lucky we truly are to have the fullnes of the faith.........we have the <Word> and Sacred Tradition....yep we got it pretty well covered I'd say some just haven't got a clue to all that they are missing....truly sad............
Let us pray that they come to know the Lord as closly as we do

 

[Epiphanygirl]

the Saints are more alive in Heaven than they ever were on Earth..........we know they hear our prayers

 

[Manardo]

Maybe you should read before you post. This thread was made to attacks Catholcs by a non-Catholic



Oh wow, you great and mighty one who knows and reads the hearts of all! So now you say you are God? That you know the heart and reason that the person started this thread.......i love it....you continue to prove my post #120! Keep up the great work!

 

[lionroar0]

Oh wow, you great and mighty one who knows and reads the hearts of all! So now you say you are God? That you know the heart and reason that the person started this thread.......i love it....you continue to prove my post #120! Keep up the great work!

I know the reason. It's to attack the Catholic Church.

Peace

 

[Manardo]

I know the reason. It's to attack the Catholic Church.

Peace

Should we all start to bow to you then?
Sorry, but i only bow to God!

 

[PaladinValer]

Something you people don't know about because you've all apostatized. Congratulations!

Hey don't point your fingers at me, buddy! You're a 1st century Christian too!

PaladinValer,
I go by and read The Holy Bible... I also study the original Greek words that The Holy Bible was written

Good! Then you realize there is a difference between latria and doulia and that you were wrong to accuse Apostolic Christians of idolatry!

in so it is unnecessary to read another version that came after the original scrolls.

Where are these "originals"?

I do not go/live by what man says or teaches unless it adds up with God's Word. This is a verse from some of those that you venerate:

Idolatry. The Bible isn't the Word of God. However, the Bible does say who the Word of God is: Jesus.

"But Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said:

"We ought to obey God rather than men."​

Acts 5:29​

We do, which is why we recognize the difference between latria and doulia.

Look up the definitions for the word "worship" for yourself... not according to Webster's but look up the original Aramaic/Hebrew & Greek words.... please post what you find!!!

You do realize that when the KJV says "worship," it means what worship meant back in 1611.

Worship back then had a wider definition. It meant both latria and doulia and you would have to be very careful to tell which it meant by looking at the context.

Thankfully, English is a very adaptive language, and with more words now in use, worship today means latria and reverence means doulia and even hyperdoulia.

Where in God's Word does it say to build, make or mold images and venerate them? i can only accept verse(s) & Chapter(s) from The Holy Bible!

Gee...then why do you even believe in the Trinity? The orthodox dogma of it as shown in the Nicene Creed isn't found in Scripture.

But...since you asked:

Ex. 25:18&#8211;20 (cherubim of gold...cherubim are angels)
1 Chr. 28:18&#8211;19 (statues of angels with altars!)
Ezekiel 41:17&#8211;18 (statues in the worship hall!)
Num. 21:8&#8211;9 (venerating statues of serpants! God told them too not just make it, but venerate it!!!)

Fin.

 

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