Vegan

[Ilovegod888]

As in free range, not factory farming conditions.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Almost all the rainforest is destroyed because of meat. We could use that land for the healthy crops not the tortured animals. Did you not read any of the posts?!!

 

[Brookelowe454]

Again it takes lots of resources to grow crops too which also causes environmental damage and kills sentient animals. If everyone became vegans, do you have any idea how much damage to the environment would be done in order to clear land to support that?

If you looked at the facts I gave you earlier, a vegan uses only 1/6 of an acre to produce ALL of their food for a year. A meat eater uses 18 times the amount of land. YEAH TOTALLY we are destroying the environment, oh, I mean saving.

 

[Soyeong]

If you looked at the facts I gave you earlier, a vegan uses only 1/6 of an acre to produce ALL of their food for a year. A meat eater uses 18 times the amount of land. YEAH TOTALLY we are destroying the environment, oh, I mean saving.

Again, the among of land isn't the only factor because animals can graze on land that isn't suitable for crops and the among of land that is used does not determine how much damage is being done to it. Again, even if that were the only factor and if that statistic is factual, not doing as much damage to the environment is still doing damage to the environment, not saving it.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Indeed, it is a VEGAN topic in a Community Hangout forum, so anyone in the community can discuss the topic regardless of whether or not they are vegans. Morality is based on God, so if God commands kosher meat to be eaten, then it is not immoral. Looking at the source of morality to try to determine which things are moral is the correct way to go about it, not an excuse. You claim to be a Christian and claim to love the Bible, so I should be able to appeal to common ground and you should agree, but so far you just want to seem to ignore it. Pretending that God didn't give us kosher animals to eat as food doesn't make it go away. I'm using my Christian religion for why Christians shouldn't think that it is wrong, but I'm not using it for why non-Christians shouldn't think that it is wrong. But you have also offered no non-religious argument for why it is wrong and I have offered an argument for why your beliefs are inconsistent and why your hands are also stained with animal blood. Even if it is true that you don't pay people to slaughter as many INNOCENT animals as I do, you still need to wash your hands too.

Vegan Slaughterhouse

Your Slaughterhouse

 

[Rajni]

If you disagree, that's fine, but us vegans don't want an argument.

Well, since it takes more than one to make an argument,
perhaps just stating your beliefs and not engaging in
argument would've done the trick.

All we want is an open mind, not insults.

I'm not seeing much of an open mind on the vegan front.
As for insults, I haven't seen any on the non-vegan front.

PETA states FACTS, you couldn't even think of one that would further your argument. Do you think I would believe PETA if it didn't produce scientific FACTS? No. Because I am logical. You are okay to disagree, but please have facts. I agree with @Brookelowe454.

Aaaand you completely skimmed over the fact
I shared in the post to which you responded.

Let me share it again:

The only group with any moral superiority in the
gastronomic department is the Jains. They're truly the only
ones qualified to preach (and, ironically, I never see them
do so).

In other words, until you're following the dietary restrictions
they do, you're in the same boat as those who eat meat.


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[Soyeong]

Properly farming would involve free-ranged animals that are actually free-ranged. If meat production companies are claiming it is free-ranged when it is actually not, then that is a separate issue. Being raised properly would be where the animal was actually raised in healthy conditions.

 

[Brookelowe454]

Well, since it takes more than one to make an argument,
perhaps just stating your beliefs and not engaging in
argument would've done the trick.

I'm not seeing much of an open mind on the vegan front.
As for insults, I haven't seen any on the non-vegan front.


Aaaand you completely skimmed over the fact
I shared in the post to which you responded.

Let me share it again:

The only group with any moral superiority in the
gastronomic department is the Jains. They're truly the only
ones qualified to preach (and, ironically, I never see them
do so).

In other words, until you're following the dietary restrictions
they do, you're in the same boat as those who eat meat.


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I was not attacking anybody, I have the right to defend my lifestyle, as do you. What am I supposed to do, just read it and silently disagree? No, because I am entitled to respond. I do not follow the lifestyle of the Jains, so I do not need to comment on it. That is your opinion. Why are you here? I already stated the facts, you should read them, and then make up your mind. There was no need to quote me multiple times. I am trying to be polite here, but now my patience is long gone.

 

[Brookelowe454]

Again, the among of land isn't the only factor because animals can graze on land that isn't suitable for crops and the among of land that is used does not determine how much damage is being done to it. Again, even if that were the only factor and if that statistic is factual, not doing as much damage to the environment is still doing damage to the environment, not saving it.

That is actually not true. You're just saying that, but really, people destroy the Amazon to feed livestock, and THAT land is NOT suitable for grazing, why? Because rainforests have a delicate ecosystem, and without it, it releases more carbon emissions into the air, thus destroying the environment. "What forests take from the air, they can also give back. When forests burn, tree carbon matter is released in the form of CO2, which pollutes the atmosphere, and of which there are already excessive quantities.

Where rainforest and savanna once stood, pastures for cattle-ranching are now appearing."

This was from http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/amazon/about_the_amazon/why_amazon_important/

so thank you Soyeong. Go ahead and continue to disagree. It's fine with me.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Properly farming would involve free-ranged animals that are actually free-ranged. If meat production companies are claiming it is free-ranged when it is actually not, then that is a separate issue. Being raised properly would be where the animal was actually raised in healthy conditions.

It actually is considered free range so don't even try to claim that it's somehow humane. There is no HEALTHY conditions, and if you find this magical farm. You slit it's throat in the end. Too bad it doesn't exist. So no, it can't be farmed properly. You kill the small rodents with clearing of your meat and your meat's food. Also your veggies so don't tell me that I destroy the Earth. Look in the mirror, you're better than this.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Well, since it takes more than one to make an argument,
perhaps just stating your beliefs and not engaging in
argument would've done the trick.

I'm not seeing much of an open mind on the vegan front.
As for insults, I haven't seen any on the non-vegan front.


Aaaand you completely skimmed over the fact
I shared in the post to which you responded.

Let me share it again:

The only group with any moral superiority in the
gastronomic department is the Jains. They're truly the only
ones qualified to preach (and, ironically, I never see them
do so).

In other words, until you're following the dietary restrictions
they do, you're in the same boat as those who eat meat.


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I agree with Brooke Lowe. I never said that I am preaching veganism, I am stating FACTS. As for my morals, if you were compassionate, you would understand.

 

[Soyeong]

That is actually not true. You're just saying that, but really, people destroy the Amazon to feed livestock, and THAT land is NOT suitable for grazing, why? Because rainforests have a delicate ecosystem, and without it, it releases more carbon emissions into the air, thus destroying the environment. "What forests take from the air, they can also give back. When forests burn, tree carbon matter is released in the form of CO2, which pollutes the atmosphere, and of which there are already excessive quantities.

Where rainforest and savanna once stood, pastures for cattle-ranching are now appearing."

This was from http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/amazon/about_the_amazon/why_amazon_important/

so thank you Soyeong. Go ahead and continue to disagree. It's fine with me.

There's a difference between using land that is unsuitable for crops for grazing and terraforming to make land suitable for grazing. If you terraform to make land suitable for crops, then you're still damaging the environment.

 

[Soyeong]

It actually is considered free range so don't even try to claim that it's somehow humane. There is no HEALTHY conditions, and if you find this magical farm. You slit it's throat in the end. Too bad it doesn't exist. So no, it can't be farmed properly. You kill the small rodents with clearing of your meat and your meat's food. Also your veggies so don't tell me that I destroy the Earth. Look in the mirror, you're better than this.

Farming animals for meat necessarily involves killing them, but until that point there can be a proper way to raise them to that point and an improper way. An improper way would be where the animals are now allowed to move, are caked in manure, unhealthy conditions, etc., where a proper way would be to allow them to graze and have healthy conditions. Right, both of our diets damage the environment, so it is time for you to get off your high horse.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Farming animals for meat necessarily involves killing them, but until that point there can be a proper way to raise them to that point and an improper way. An improper way would be where the animals are now allowed to move, are caked in manure, unhealthy conditions, etc., where a proper way would be to allow them to graze and have healthy conditions. Right, both of our diets damage the environment, so it is time for you to get off your high horse.

Mine hardly does, look at the facts. You eat the factory farmed animals that are caked in manure so don't talk to me like I eat it. I eat CLEAN veggies while you eat garbage. Who really wins in a health arguement....

 

[Brookelowe454]

There's a difference between using land that is unsuitable for crops for grazing and terraforming to make land suitable for grazing. If you terraform to make land suitable for crops, then you're still damaging the environment.

1. Veganism protects the soil. "Researchers have found that raising animals for consumption contributes to erosion and nutritional depletion of soil, plus desertification and deforestation."

2. It conserves water. "More than 70 percent of the earth’s fresh water is used in agriculture of plants and animals: it takes 100 to 200 times more water to produce a pound of beef than it does to grow a pound of plant foods."

3. It saves energy. "Meanwhile, citizens are urged to conserve energy, and one of the best ways of doing so is by skipping out on meat and dairy. Case and point: a Cornell study found that producing animal-based protein requires eight times more fossil-fuel energy than creating plant-based protein."

4. It clears the air. "That’s why a report by the UN concluded that animal agriculture is a larger contributor to greenhouse gas than all forms of transportation. And speaking of the previously mentioned issue of deforestation, when rainforests are cleared to create livestock pastures, carbon is released into the air."

Source: http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=4425&catId=3

Yeah, you still think vegans don't do anything for the environment?

 

[Ilovegod888]

There's a difference between using land that is unsuitable for crops for grazing and terraforming to make land suitable for grazing. If you terraform to make land suitable for crops, then you're still damaging the environment.

You saw the statistic, 70% is for GRAINS. Your cows aren't fed grass or grazing. They eat corn which makes them fat. The land that animals are on could be suitable for crops.

 

[Ilovegod888]

Farming animals for meat necessarily involves killing them, but until that point there can be a proper way to raise them to that point and an improper way. An improper way would be where the animals are now allowed to move, are caked in manure, unhealthy conditions, etc., where a proper way would be to allow them to graze and have healthy conditions. Right, both of our diets damage the environment, so it is time for you to get off your high horse.

 

[Erick The Evangelist]

That is truly amazing how you can be that disciplined. I wish I could go vegan and reek the benefits but I struggle with food. I hope you keep going strong

 

[Brookelowe454]

That is truly amazing how you can be that disciplined. I wish I could go vegan and reek the benefits but I struggle with food. I hope you keep going strong

A lot of people tell me this often, but it's really not that hard. (remember, I used to eat meat too.) If you would like, watch

It changed my life!

 

[Brookelowe454]

That is truly amazing how you can be that disciplined. I wish I could go vegan and reek the benefits but I struggle with food. I hope you keep going strong

Also, it's not "disciplinary" or "restrictive" if you look at the amazing substitutes and ways to be creative. Check out http://minimalistbaker.com/ for amazing recipes.