USA= Babylon

[rhymnrzn2zion]

Babylon is a city: that makes the United States the land of Chaldea.

 

[NumberOneSon]

Reazzurro90]Most oil refineries are already back on track in Iraq, and Iraqis are being employed. Your "long, long time" theory is not really applicable.

It’s quite applicable. The latest UN-led survey shows that one fourth of Iraq’s kids are malnourished, almost a third of Iraq’s educated population is out of work, only about half of Iraq’s rural population receives piped water, and over ¾ of those on the electrical grid receive an unstable supply of electricity.

Many parts of Iraq’s infrastructure have been neglected or destroyed by war over the past 30 years, so “Iraqis being employed” and working oil refineries simply won’t solve the country’s social/economic woes anytime in the near future. It will take a long time to stabilize the country to the point that they could begin contemplating allocating billions of dollars toward moving their capital.

Reazzurro90]

Plus, as Iraq's stabilization is continued, revenue will pour in from the USA and European nations who want a cut of Iraqi oil, which for so long has been denied to them by Saddam's regime. Such a massive influx of revenue could allow the Iraqi government to rebuild Babylon.

Once all of the other more pressing social/economic issues are dealt with. It will take decades to restore what Saddam and war let languish for 30 years.

Reazzurro90]That is an illogical statement. Does a city need to have a famed piece of architecture for it to be the same city? So, basically, you're also saying that New York cannot be New York because the Twin Towers collapsed on 9/11? That makes no sense.

Actually, I didn’t make a statement; I asked a question, one which you did not answer. But what is illogical is the idea that a present day city could ever be considered a modern counterpart to one that vanished 2500 years ago just because the modern city just happened to reside on or near the same geographic area as the former one. It would be like claiming Guatemala City is a modern-day Kaminaljuyu.

If the Twin towers collapsed, New York would still be New York. But if New York City collapsed and 2500 years passed and a new civilization built an entirely new metropolis in the area, that city would not constitute a “rebuilt“ New York.

Reazzurro90]Ah, but the federal government did move from New York City, NY to Washington DC because of state disputes. The South demanded that the capital be moved to a southern location as a repayment of the South financing northern reparations after the Revolutionary War.

But prior to the move, New York City had only been the “temporary” capital of the newly formed US, and for a mere 2 years. So you’re example deals with a government in it’s infancy with little to no roots; my example concerned a government that has been established and entrenched in DC for over 200 years. Today’s federal government could not just pack up and move to York, PA.

Reazzurro90]

Such a move could be applied with Iraq (since the southern, Shia majority control the oil fields).

Please explain to me why the Iraqi government would even want to move the Iraqi capital in the first place? I need you to take this out of the realm of speculation and give me something concrete. Bagdad was one of the most influential Middle-Eastern cities for hundreds of years and has been Iraq’s capital since it’s independence. What would moving the capital do, exactly, that would outway the tremendous cost of relocating?

Reazzurro90]You can't compare the two. First off, Saudi Arabia IS a rich country, the only thing that makes it appear poor is the massive deserts the country encompasses.

The two are comparable because they are the largest producers of oil in the world and the only export that generates wealth for either country is oil. Without oil the OPEC nations of the Middle East have nothing to generate wealth on the world market.

The point in comparing Saudi Arabia to Iraq is that, despite Arabia’s vast oil wealth, the country is still not a world power, neither economically nor politically. And Arabia produces more than twice the amount of petroleum that Iraq does. So as I said in my previous post, oil alone will not vault Iraq into the status of 'mover and shaker' in the world. If oil can’t do it for Arabia, then what more does Iraq have to offer?

Reazzurro90]Secondly, the oil wealth of the country is in the hands of nobility and the monarchy itself. And since Saudi Arabia has slowed oil productions, most nations will turn their attention to Iraq as a source of cheap oil.

But Iraq is a part of OPEC. OPEC nations don’t act independently from one another when it comes to oil pricing; If Saudi Arabia slows production, then so does Iraq.

Reazzurro90]This time, instead of having an oil industry dominated by an insane dictator who squanders wealth on his grand palatial structures and statues of himself, it would be in the hands of a government that would distribute the oil wealth among the masses.

In theory, the idea of a government distributing it’s oil wealth to the masses sounds grand, like something out of a Charles Dicken’s tale. But when it comes to reality, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Reazzurro90]Since the Iraqi government sees Babylon as a great tourist spot (as Saddam did), I don't see why rennovations could be implimented on it.

Renovations? Sure. A tourist spot for those who love history? Fantastic. An archeologists paradise? Definitely. The new capital of Iraq. Not a chance.

Reazzurro90]

Because they have in the past.

Babylon is inherent in us and Assyria is ours,

And because of the glory of our background

History itself radiates with light

That was the Iraqi anthem under the Saddam regime. During the Iran-Iraq war, Saddam appealed to this, to expand Iraq's territory as the Babylonians did. In fact, he crowned himself Nebuchadnezzar III.

The people rallied behind Saddam because of the anthem he created? That’s news to me. Those Iraqis who were loyal to Saddam did so because they were Sunni Muslims and he gave them considerable power, not because he made them remember their ancestral roots. Saddam could crown himself whatever he pleased; the majority of Iraqis still hated Saddam and couldn’t care less about his references to Babylon or Assyria.

Reazzurro90]The United States did the same exact thing after it officially became a nation. The capital was originally at New York City, and Washington was happy there. It was the southern states that pleaded to move the capital further south, so they built an entirely new city, dedicated in President Washington's honor - Washington DC. Now if the USA did it, why can't Iraq?

Why? Because at the time Washington DC was built, the city only had a population of a few thousand people (not exactly the thriving metropolis of half a million it is today) . And also because the US government of the 1700’s didn’t have the same billion dollar financial hurdles that Iraq has today.

Reazzurro90]Wikipedia has a good article on Babylon's history
There's no mention of any event like the prophecies say it should be. None whatsoever. It was merely abandoned over the course of time.

Here's another article on Hillah,

Interesting, wouldn't you say?

Which prophecies are you referring to?

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[Jipsah]

if most of the christians live in the US it appears that the enemy has us gathered for the slaughter.

Most Christians do not live in the US.

 

[ross3421]

Most Christians do not live in the US.

Um.... I know there is question on who is and is not. So Let me rephrase the statement.

Most who call themselves Christians live in the US.

I beleive the last report or census for what it is worth stated that 2% of the the world called themselves Christians and about 80 % of the 2% lived in the US.

Mark

 

[Harlan Norris]

Is there a reason why God would choose to destroy one Babylonian-type nation, rather than another?

Exactly, so how do you find a place of safety? Come out of Babylon in your heart.

 

[OhhJim]

Exactly, so how do you find a place of safety? Come out of Babylon in your heart.

So, is Babylon a physical entity that can be destroyed by, for example, fire from heaven? Or is it a spiritual entity that my heart can either be in, or out of?

If it's a spiritual entity, then I have no fear of God sending destruction on America. If it's a physical entity, I don't see how the USA is guilty of the blood of the saints, at this point in history.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

So, is Babylon a physical entity that can be destroyed by, for example, fire from heaven? Or is it a spiritual entity that my heart can either be in, or out of?

If it's a spiritual entity, then I have no fear of God sending destruction on America. If it's a physical entity, I don't see how the USA is guilty of the blood of the saints, at this point in history.

This is long, but please check out the comparison between Ancient Babylon, Israel, and the Babylon in Rev 18. It is a physical entity OhhJim. Recall the falling away in 2nd Thess 2:3.... Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The churches are going apostate. If the churches aren't preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified, the shepherds are helping tons of people go to hell. Churches have become cold, lifeless, no Spirit of the Lord in them. Now it is a gathering for box lunch socials after a cold lifeless sermon on nothing that would win the lost, or build up the body of Christ, building programs, we need the finest churches in the city, full of gossip, people sitting in pews whos hearts aren't being reginerated because they aren't really hearing the gospel message...they think that they are saved because they are sitting in the churches, homosexuality in the churches, gays in the churches, need I go on?
I watched a program right after hurricane Katrina. It was talking about this one big city in Texas...don't recall which one. They said that on every street corner in this city over several blocks were big fine churches. Outside of these churches were big flashing markees like Las Vegas offering different things to get people to come to their church, (whited sepulchres which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are full of dead mens bones) The reporter said that it was like watching a big "two for one" sale" and sickened him...Jeremiah 50:6 ~ My people hath been lost sheep: their Shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace......By the way, this is at ancient Babylon. The blood of the prophets and the saints, of all that were slain upon the earth is I believe the AC's doing. The church will be totally apostate by then headed up by the false prophet, and there are going to be some Christians die all over the world for their faith....Martyers.
Do we not have Pharisees in the church today, hypocrites, hypocrisy, iniquity? Jesus said so about the Pharisees in Matt 23:27 ~Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness....A LOT OF TODAYS CHURCHES AND PASTORS.
Jesus said this in Matt 23:34-35- ~ Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. We are what some term the "Spiritual house of Israel"...just means that we as the church, true Christians have the Spirit of Christ, the Jews are blinded and don't at this point. We are a replica of what Jesus said to the Pharisees in Matt 23, and also what was said in Jeremiah regarding ancient Babylon...Jeremiah 51:49 ~As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth. God never does anything different when it comes to judgment. Rev 18:24 ~ And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. Perpetual desolations in three different places with the slain and blood of all the earth...Continuing.........until Modern Day Babylon is destroyed.
Jeremiah 25:9-12 ~ Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS.
12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation saith the LORD, for their iniquity, AND the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it PERPETUAL DESOLATIONS. He did.

 

[OhhJim]

A few points:

1. My question was a rhetorical one, as HarlanNorris seems to believe that Babylon is spiritual. I believe it is physical.

2. I see no scriptural connection between Babylon and the great "falling away".

3. I'm curious as to how you are so in tune with what is happening in thousands of churches throughout America. How do you know what is happening in the Berean Baptist Church of Rohnert Park, or the Lombard Bible Church? How do you know the sermons are cold and lifeless in Smith River? How do you know what the Spirit is doing in Davenport, Iowa, or Chambersburg, Pennsylvania?

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

A few points:

1. My question was a rhetorical one, as HarlanNorris seems to believe that Babylon is spiritual. I believe it is physical.

2. I see no scriptural connection between Babylon and the great "falling away".

3. I'm curious as to how you are so in tune with what is happening in thousands of churches throughout America. How do you know what is happening in the Berean Baptist Church of Rohnert Park, or the Lombard Bible Church? How do you know the sermons are cold and lifeless in Smith River? How do you know what the Spirit is doing in Davenport, Iowa, or Chambersburg, Pennsylvania?

It doesn't take an Eienstien to know that this nation is full of every "false religion" that there is, and a lot of churches aren't preaching the gospel. There are churches in America that are preaching the gospel and the salvation message..BUT, there are those that aren't. God will ALWAYS have a people. There are false Gods being worshipped in the nation all of the time. Do you know why ancient Babylon in Jeremiah was destroyed? It was destroyed because of all of it's idols(false religions) sin, and pride, and had the children of Isreal and Judah captive. Jeremiah50:24 ~ I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. Jeremiah 50:33 ~Thus saith the LORD of hosts; the children of Israel and the children of Judah were oppressed together: and all that took them captives held them fast; they refused to let them go. Sounds like Egypt doesn't it, where Moses told Pharoah, let my people go? Look what happened to Egypt with the plagues, and destroyed Egypts army....God will ALWAYS judge a sinful nation. He did let Egypt remain though, and as far as I know, it isn't under a perpetual desolation.
Jeremiah 51:9 ~ We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. In other words, the sin had reached Gods throne.
Jeremiah 51:17-18 ~ Every man is brustish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
18 They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
I believe that the nations are being visited by the Lord even now, including ours. He won't be ignored.
As far as the "falling away", recall the scripture, And because iniquity shall abound, the LOVE OF MANY shall wax cold. (Matt 24:12)? That's not the world, but the church. The world is already cold to the things of God. Cold, dead, lifeless, Spiritless churches who because of iniquity fell away, and will continue to fall away...right into an apostacy.

 

[OhhJim]

It doesn't take an Eienstien to know that this nation is full of every "false religion" that there is, and a lot of churches aren't preaching the gospel. There are churches in America that are preaching the gospel and the salvation message..BUT, there are those that aren't.

Actually, I was thinking that it takes a Gallup. What percentage of the churches today are preaching the gospel, and where do you get your statistics? What percentage of the churches in, say, 1840, were preaching the gospel, and where do you get those statistics?

As you say, God has always had His people. I'm just not sure that the churches of today are more apostate than 200 years ago, for example, and I'm wondering if there are numbers to support the idea, or are we just going by anecdotal evidence?

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Actually, I was thinking that it takes a Gallup. What percentage of the churches today are preaching the gospel, and where do you get your statistics? What percentage of the churches in, say, 1840, were preaching the gospel, and where do you get those statistics?

As you say, God has always had His people. I'm just not sure that the churches of today are more apostate than 200 years ago, for example, and I'm wondering if there are numbers to support the idea, or are we just going by anecdotal evidence?

I heard about 2 weeks ago on Christain talk radio that 85% of the US are Christian according to a poll....I believe that just about as much as I believe that bulls have udders. That included Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and Unitarian Universalists...what ever those are.The only time that church attendance goes up, is when there is a disaster, and people suddenly feel that they need "God"...or "a god". Then after the disaster passes after awhile, church attendance goes back down. I read that in an article about 3 months ago. It's not just "wayward" Christians that start filling the churches, but all beliefs in some type of god do this. Now, I can understand the false religions sudden hunger for their god out of fear, and then dropping out...no root in the true God. This should not be happening with TRUE, born again believers..which in my opinion, aren't true believers if they only jump in the pew when something drastic happens, and then jump back out....no root in the true God either....this doesn't include those that can't go to church for whatever reason.
No one can do a precise poll on what percentage of the churches are actually preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ. They will all tell you that they are, and they will all tell you that they are Christians. Now do you believe that they all are Christians and preaching the gospel? I certainly don't.
This doesn't even come close to the false religions that are allowed to practice their faiths in this nation. There is a donut shop in our shopping mall owned by Chinese, Vietnamese, or some kind of "ese"...Im not sure what they are. They have a big Buddah looking statue with a womans head and a bunch of stars around her head. It is all decorated with flowers around the bottom and candles on either side. It's sitting right on the top of the display case. It is one of their gods. It makes me want to throw something at it everytime I go in there. The 99 cent store in the same shopping mall is owned by whatever that religion is that has to get on their knees so many times a day, and chant and face the East? He was on his knees on his mat doing that one day when I went in there, and I turned around and walked out. I personally do not think that God is pleased with a nation that allows every false religion to come in here with their false gods, but yet the Christians in this nation didn't rise up and defend the Ten Commandmnets being removed or prayer being taken out of the schools. We are no better then the Babylon in Jeremiah, and I DO believe that we are Babylon in Rev 18.

 

[OhhJim]

No one can do a precise poll on what percentage of the churches are actually preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

My point exactly. We don't even know what churches are actually preaching the true gospel today. How can YOU know the percentage was higher in the past? How can you know that we have "fallen away"?

 

[Jipsah]

There is a donut shop in our shopping mall owned by Chinese, Vietnamese, or some kind of "ese"...Im not sure what they are.

You could always ask.

Ease up on us "eses", OK? Just 'cause we don't look like regular white folks doesn't mean we're all heathens. You'd probably be surprised to find that most of the Koreans in the US are Christians, there are a good many Chinese Christians about, and that a bunch of Vietnamese are church-going folk as well. Don't know much about other Asian groups in the US, but I 'spect that a lot of them are Christians too.

It may be that those folks at the doughnut shop are just nominal Buddhists (real, real common among the Chinese and Vietnamese) who would be open to the gospel if someone could take the time to share it with them. Maybe all they need is some kind Christian friend, maybe you, to take them to church that first time. Maybe what the Lord wants is instead of glowering at those folks, we extend them the love of Christ. Just think, you might be the instrument through which God saves those folks and they cast aside their idols. That'd be slick, wouldn't it?

I personally do not think that God is pleased with a nation that allows every false religion to come in here with their false gods, but yet the Christians in this nation didn't rise up and defend the Ten Commandmnets being removed or prayer being taken out of the schools.

Maybe we'd all be better served if, instead of nattering about the 10 Commandments in courthouses or prayer in schools, we busied ourselves with sharing the gospel of our Lord with unbelievers. Let's face it, we ain't gonna legislate anyone into the kingdom of God.

 

[Jipsah]

Most who call themselves Christians live in the US.

That's not true either.

A lot of folks think that Christianity is an American religion, but it isn't.

Of the 6.4 thousand million (or "billion", if you prefer) people on Planet Earth, some 2.1 thousand million, or 33.1%, are Christians of one sort or another. Considering that there are between 250 and 300 million people, let alone Christians, in the US, then it's pretty obvious that most Christians can't be here. Consider that again - roughly one third of the population of the world call themselves Christians. That should put things in a little better perspective for you.

Something else to ponder. The government of China estimates the number of Christians in that country to be roughly 70 million. But that only includes those Christians who attend "approved" churches. The vast majority of believers attend illegal home churches (and run the risk of imprisonment and torture if caught). If their numbers were known, it makes it's quite probable that there are more professing Christians in China than there are in the US.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

You could always ask.

Ease up on us "eses", OK? Just 'cause we don't look like regular white folks doesn't mean we're all heathens. You'd probably be surprised to find that most of the Koreans in the US are Christians, there are a good many Chinese Christians about, and that a bunch of Vietnamese are church-going folk as well. Don't know much about other Asian groups in the US, but I 'spect that a lot of them are Christians too.

The "ese" was a joke Jipsah, ya know...humor. When I look at these folks, who are very nice by the way, and make the best donuts where I live , I don't see heathens, I see their false God sitting on the display case.

It may be that those folks at the doughnut shop are just nominal Buddhists (real, real common among the Chinese and Vietnamese) who would be open to the gospel if someone could take the time to share it with them. Maybe all they need is some kind Christian friend, maybe you, to take them to church that first time. Maybe what the Lord wants is instead of glowering at those folks, we extend them the love of Christ. Just think, you might be the instrument through which God saves those folks and they cast aside their idols. That'd be slick, wouldn't it?

I don't glower at these people. I don't even glower at their god sitting on the counter. Actually, the thought crosses my mind, how can anyone worship a thing with no life in it? There are umpteen channels in my city with the Word of God being preached. God has stopped people before on a channel and they got saved. I don't make any moves unless I am led to. If the Lord doesn't impress me to open my mouth, I don't. He will always make an open door to witness to someone. I know, it has happened for me before. Yeah, that would be great if God used me to win them to Jesus. I pray that it happens.

Maybe we'd all be better served if, instead of nattering about the 10 Commandments in courthouses or prayer in schools, we busied ourselves with sharing the gospel of our Lord with unbelievers. Let's face it, we ain't gonna legislate anyone into the kingdom of God.

Of course we are supposed to share the gospel. That is not what I am talking about. If we as the church had taken a stand in the beginning of Roe/Wade, prayer being removed, The 10 C's etc, this nation would be seeing blessings beyond belief. God probably had and has the mind set, well, if they don't care, I'll let the Devil have it his way, and he pretty much has. Even Jesus got angry with the money changers in the temple, for them turning it into a den of thieves instead of a house of prayer. The way that I see it, we have let "the thieves" rob our nation of moral values and pass un-Christ like laws. We used to have a voice in this nation, but now it is barely an audible squeek. I was proud that the Christians, including myself voted a President in who prays, goes to church, and is trying to set a moral tone in this nation with a conservative Supreme Court....unlike his running mate who stated that he was an alter boy when he was a child.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

My point exactly. We don't even know what churches are actually preaching the true gospel today. How can YOU know the percentage was higher in the past? How can you know that we have "fallen away"?

Look at this site. It tells a story of what is happening to Christians in America. This site was last updated April 2005. The largest growing religion is Wicca.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

 

[Jipsah]

The largest growing religion is Wicca.

Be careful of "fastest growing" stats. If you and I start our own religion, worshipping tuna fish or old Pontiac hood ornaments, and we manage to sign up a dozen pinheads to be our slavish followers, then our "religion" will have grown at a rate of 600% and could therefore be considered "one of the fastest growing religions...". There'd still be just over a dozen of us, though. By the same token, if the Christian faith grew by 200% then we'd have every man, woman, and child in the world as at least a nominal Christian.

Which would be pretty cool...

 

[OhhJim]

Look at this site. It tells a story of what is happening to Christians in America. This site was last updated April 2005. The largest growing religion is Wicca.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

But, but, but, you're the one who said we couldn't depend on that kind of source to tell us who are true Christians. You can't have it both ways.

My point is that there were Bible-believing, Spirit-filled, truth-preaching churches in 1705, and 1805, and 1905, and 2005. How are you saying the churches of today are more lifeless and dead than before? How do you measure that sort of thing?

 

[OhhJim]

the Christians in this nation didn't rise up and defend the Ten Commandmnets being removed or prayer being taken out of the schools.

Actually, a lot of Christians DID "rise up and defend" those things. A lot of them post on this board.

On the other hand, a lot of us Christians realize that the Ten Commandments have nothing to do with Christianity, and Jesus taught His disciples not to pray in public. I suppose following the teachings of Jesus, rather than Jewish Law makes me a dead, lifeless Christian, eh? You do realize that it's possible to be the best possible Christian, and the best possible church, and not have a monument to the Ten Commandments in your house or church? They aren't important-a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are what is important.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

But, but, but, you're the one who said we couldn't depend on that kind of source to tell us who are true Christians. You can't have it both ways.

My point is that there were Bible-believing, Spirit-filled, truth-preaching churches in 1705, and 1805, and 1905, and 2005. How are you saying the churches of today are more lifeless and dead than before? How do you measure that sort of thing?

You are the one that said the Gallup poll. I'm not paying $95 a year to just get that info, and they wouldn't have that anyway. One reason that I say that churches are lifeless and dead, where is the revival? No Spirit of God moving in the churches and on peoples hearts, no repentance. Where are the droves of lost folk filling the churches, and there are a lot of lost folks out there. I recall when I was younger, oh maybe in my 30's, there were always churches that were talked about, where tons of people were getting saved, healed, etc. You don't hear about those churches anymore. Where did they go? Did God suddenly disappear, or did the people grow cold and complacent, and God wasn't welcome anymore? I believe that a lot of people have grown nonchalant in their worship myself. We go to church on Sunday, and have done our deed for the day. I'm not saying that all do that, but something, or "Someone" is definetly missing, or otherwise I would be hearing about it like in the good old days. I have friends of different faiths, and talking to them is like talking to a R2-D2, the robot from Star Wars when it comes to God. They live like the world, but are in church on Sunday. How much of that do you think is going on in the US?
They are having huge revivals in foreign countries, healings, some dead raised. Now why isn't that happening here? I think that it is because those people are so receptive to hearing about God like little children, and we in this nation have become passe' about it. This nation I believe has had a mini wake up call, but the alarm clock isn't done ringing.