USA= Babylon

[OhhJim]

One reason that I say that churches are lifeless and dead, where is the revival? No Spirit of God moving in the churches and on peoples hearts, no repentance. Where are the droves of lost folk filling the churches, and there are a lot of lost folks out there. I recall when I was younger, oh maybe in my 30's, there were always churches that were talked about, where tons of people were getting saved, healed, etc. You don't hear about those churches anymore. Where did they go? Did God suddenly disappear, or did the people grow cold and complacent, and God wasn't welcome anymore?

Ok, that's evidence, and better than a statue in a restaurant! Still, isn't revival the job of the Holy Spirit? That's His job, to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement to come. It's not our place to determine when or where revival should occur. All we can do is live Godly lives and spread the gospel.

I think when the great falling away happens, it will be, well, great. Big, huge, and obvious. I don't believe that's happened. I think there's a lot of good churches out there, yet.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Ok, that's evidence, and better than a statue in a restaurant! Still, isn't revival the job of the Holy Spirit? That's His job, to convict the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement to come. It's not our place to determine when or where revival should occur. All we can do is live Godly lives and spread the gospel.

I think when the great falling away happens, it will be, well, great. Big, huge, and obvious. I don't believe that's happened. I think there's a lot of good churches out there, yet.

I think that He has to be invited in order for revival to to break out. He is a gentleman, and doesn't barn storm churches. Just like when we got saved..He called us, and we could have either accepted or denied Him. I think that He is still speaking in churches, but a lot aren't listening. Yes, I agree that there are still a lot of good churches in this nation...but to God, I wonder how many are good enough as big as this nation is? According to Jeremiah and Rev 18, evidently there weren't enough to stop Gods judgment. He had one destroyed, and He is going to have another destroyed again. All because of iniquity. If it's this nation as I believe that it is, there aren't as many true Christian churches out there as we would like to believe. For it to be destroyed in Rev 18, it declines to almost nil evidently.

 

[christianfilmcrew]

Bablyon is Babylon, it's in Iraq, you know where the war is happening and islam is trying to take over the world? Oh and they behead people btw and murder the saints.

Babylon isn't Rome and it isn't the United States. Babylon is Bablyon. It's not far from Baghdad. Babylon is also close to where the tower of Babel was located, i.e. the dispersal of nations. This is the point where the world will once again focus, as the seat of world government will be there. If you do research on the spiritual history of Bablylon, you will see the evidence to show Babylon means Babylon.

 

[rhymnrzn2zion]

Not by any means true in the scope of the Great harlot as disclosed in Scripture: and the mystery of her, who is saying "None seeth me". While it is certain that her time is nigh when she will no longer be called "the lady of kingdoms", but will be exposed along with the kingdoms she covenants with, it is much more certain that the ancient city ruins of Babylon are destined to be ruins forever.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Not by any means true in the scope of the Great harlot as disclosed in Scripture: and the mystery of her, who is saying "None seeth me". While it is certain that her time is nigh when she will no longer be called "the lady of kingdoms", but will be exposed along with the kingdoms she covenants with, it is much more certain that the ancient city ruins of Babylon are destined to remain ruins forever.

So very true

 

[christianfilmcrew]

umm, you do know that they are no longer ruins but were rebuilt under Sadam Husseins reign? You do also realize that the world is running out of oil, and that oil controls the world. Without oil we have no electricity, no manufacture, no running water... Nothing...

What happens to the world when that happens? The world will be plunged back into the dark ages. The western world has whored itself on the oil, oh and Islam has whored itself with the west for wealth. Not to mention Islam is a descendent of the harlot who gave birth to Ishmael (i.e. the lineage of Islam). Seed of Israel effectively going to bed with the seed of Ishmael? Hmm, all the wealth from the oil being held in the Middle East, the world's eyes on the Middle East. No, they'll quickly gain back control of the world and the world's attention will be focused there mark my words.

Gotta look at the bigger picture on a global level. Scripture always interprets scripture, mans interpretation is faulty and thanks but I'd rather trust how the Bible interprets itself. It's called the inductive approach to Bible Study (as opposed to deductive).

 

[vinsight4u]

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[christianfilmcrew]

I had some thoughts on that, I'm in the middle of moving again so I'll have to get back to you on that. Thanks for the verse references, saves me time trying to track down that stuff again

I'm not saying I'm right or anything it just seems to be a better fit to me, that's all... I could easily be wrong too, time will tell

Please PM me about this so I don't forget...

 

[vinsight4u]

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[ross3421]

Bablyon is Babylon, it's in Iraq, you know where the war is happening and islam is trying to take over the world? Oh and they behead people btw and murder the saints.

Babylon isn't Rome and it isn't the United States. Babylon is Bablyon. It's not far from Baghdad. Babylon is also close to where the tower of Babel was located, i.e. the dispersal of nations. This is the point where the world will once again focus, as the seat of world government will be there. If you do research on the spiritual history of Bablylon, you will see the evidence to show Babylon means Babylon.

Question, if you were claiming to be the return of the Messiah where would you set up camp? Rome? US? Iraq?

Re 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The harlot

The bible only has spoken of one such city as a harlot, Jerusalem.

Chapters which relate Jerusalem to being a harlot.

Isaiah chapter 1
Jeremiah chapter 3
Ezekiel chapter 16
Hosea chapter 4

Rev. 17:16 - We see lovers will strip her, this is seen happening to Jerusalem in EZ 16:37.

Rev. 18: 4 - In addition, God called for “MY PEOPLE” to come out of this city and not be partakers of her sins. This reference is to those you will keep the commandments his people Israel.

Rev. 18:6 – This woman is rewarded double for her iniquity. This “double” punishment is seen to Jerusalem in Isaiah 4:2 and Jer. 16:18, 17:18.

Rev. 18:7 - She denies that she is a harlot and a widow, Jerusalem is described as a widow in Lam 1:1.

Rev. 18:22, 23 – We see that the LIGHT OF A CANDLE and the VOICE OF THE BRIDEGROOM and SOUNS OF MILLSTONES shall be heard no more out from this city. This event is seen occurring to Jerusalem in Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11.

Babylon is the harlot of the REAL New Jerusalem seen coming from Heaven two chapters later in chapter 21.


In Christ, Mark.

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

umm, you do know that they are no longer ruins but were rebuilt under Sadam Husseins reign? You do also realize that the world is running out of oil, and that oil controls the world. Without oil we have no electricity, no manufacture, no running water... Nothing...

Sorry brother. Saddam only rebuilt the Gate of Ishtar, the colosseum, and some none important things. The things that he rebuilt are sitting right over the original ruins...even his palace that our soldiers are using as their headquarters. Our troops are destroying anything left of the ancient city due to there occupation there. Also, God said this..Jeremiah 25:9 & 12 ~ Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and PERPETUAL desolations.
12) And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it PERPETUAL desolations.
This has pretty much happened. Saddam tried to resurrect it, and it didn't happen, and now our own troops are destroying it.

Scripture always interprets scripture, mans interpretation is faulty and thanks but I'd rather trust how the Bible interprets itself. It's called the inductive approach to Bible Study (as opposed to deductive).

Yes, scripture does always interpret scripture..that is why I read them, otherwise, I wouldn't have known about Babylons perpetual desolation
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0115-07.htm

 

[OhhJim]

Yes, I agree that there are still a lot of good churches in this nation...but to God, I wonder how many are good enough?

None of them are "good enough". Never have been.

 

[christianfilmcrew]

Sorry BMN, but when the oil runs out and islam continues its campaign of jihad (holy war) and continues in it's quest to force the world to follow islam then we can talk further about this. I'd encourage you to give Voice of the Martyrs a call and ask them about what the Koran/Quran teaches about end times and I'm trying to put this gently but you're missing the big picture. I'm not wanting to be rude to you as you are my friend... This is just what I'm seeing from my perspective.....

If the flow of oil stops, then the western world grinds to a halt. Who is America in debt to? The OPEC nations. The middle east has more than trillions of dollars in capital and investment. What happens when they stop the flow of oil and pull their money from western investments? Hmm, monetary system collapse worldwide in the west. Couple that with oil being unavailable to the west at the same time, what you get is cars not being able to be run, electrical plants shutting down because of no oil for lubrication for the turbines, no electricity = no computers, no computers = no ability to have a military advantage over the jihadists. No electricty = people dying because of weather extremes, Las Vegas and Chicago would become unlivable.

In a world without oil supply and in which islam is on the march with all the wealth from the western harlot (which is what islam calls the west bt, and is how they view the west) sitting in their pockets, it's not hard to see that Babylon will be Babylon.

 

[NumberOneSon]

According to Jeremiah and Rev 18, evidently there weren't enough to stop Gods judgment. He had one destroyed, and He is going to have another destroyed again. All because of iniquity.

I just read that the murder rate in the US has dropped to it's lowest point since 1965. That's got to count for something, right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051017/ap_on_re_us/crime_rates

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[christianfilmcrew]

I just read that the murder rate in the US has dropped to it's lowest point since 1965. That's got to count for something, right?

lol I'll have to refrain from comment because there's a nation I'll probably offend in the process

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

I just read that the murder rate in the US has dropped to it's lowest point since 1965. That's got to count for something, right?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051017/ap_on_re_us/crime_rates

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Well....If you tell me also that abortion is way down, tons of gays are repenting and giving their lives to Jesus, the churches are being filled to over flowing, our president isn't trying to sell Israel out....I would see some hope for this nation. As it is now, those that go against Israel, God goes against that nation, and THAT in itself is where we are in deep caa-caa here....along with all of our other grievious sins.

 

[OhhJim]

As it is now, those that go against Israel, God goes against that nation, and THAT in itself is where we are in deep caa-caa here....along with all of our other grievious sins.

Doesn't the fact that we have given billions of dollars to Israel, and defended them continuously, and are the best friend they have, count for anything?

You know, BMN, it seems to me that your God isn't very forgiving. He seems to be ignoring massive adultery and perversion in Holland, persecution of Christians in the Muslim world, rejection of His Son in Europe, genocide in Africa, witchcraft and voodoo in Haiti, etc. etc., but boy, does He get upset when the USA goes along with Israel in a land giveaway plan!! That's the essence of God? Humans aren't important, it's land that matters?

What about the nations that attacked Israel in 1948 and 1967? Don't they rate a little caa-caa?

 

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Big Mouth Nana]

Doesn't the fact that we have given billions of dollars to Israel, and defended them continuously, and are the best friend they have, count for anything?

You know, BMN, it seems to me that your God isn't very forgiving. He seems to be ignoring massive adultery and perversion in Holland, persecution of Christians in the Muslim world, rejection of His Son in Europe, genocide in Africa, witchcraft and voodoo in Haiti, etc. etc., but boy, does He get upset when the USA goes along with Israel in a land giveaway plan!! That's the essence of God? Humans aren't important, it's land that matters?

What about the nations that attacked Israel in 1948 and 1967? Don't they rate a little caa-caa?

Yeah, us aiding Israel counted for something once, but that is going to end eventually. Evidently you haven't been watching the news, and hearing what Bush has been saying . It's clear that you haven't stumbled on to what Gods Word says regarding the "land giveaway". Bush has got his head so far up Abbas's (last 3 letters in the prior word)that it is disgusting!! He has basically nothing good to say about Israel. It's all about the "suffering Palestinians", the two words that he stated tonight in his speech. I wanted to retch. What the heck about Isreal having to live next door to murdering terrorists Mr. Bush?
If he knew the bible like he says that he always reads, he missed a very important part of it regarding these two peoples. Palestinians aren't nothing but Philistines who changed their name. If they aren't saved, and accepted "our God", then they aren't no better then the Philistines that they really are....murderers.
This nation is going to go against Israel also, but evidently you haven't ran onto that part of the bible yet either....Matt 24: 8-9 ~All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of ALL NATIONS for my name's sake. He was speaking to His diciples here. This ALL nations is about here. The US is going to go against Israel also. Bush has already stated that he can sway Israel to his way of thinking, we have a good relationship. If I was Israel, I would tell him to stick it in his right ear.
It is amazing everytime you say that someone is doing this, you and others who think like you do come up with...well why isn't God dealing with this, or what about them etc? Turn on that light OhhJim, the party is about over. God is going to deal with the iniquities all over the world in His own time....and may have already started.