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[Kgreg]

Note that "it's not natural" no longer qualifies as a weapon you can use against gay people.

That's not true. Romans 1 is pretty clear about "natural function" and "unatural".

 

[UberLutheran]

Ok first of all yes i am gay, but what you all don't seem to understand is being gay is not a choice i was never attracted to girls even in primary school but my feelings for men started when i was 12, i did not choose to be gay it just happend i can't help it.

You think i would go through all the heartache of homophobia, My parents won't speak to me. people think gay people are people who act like girls well they are not (well not me anyway) i am just a normal guy who likes Guys

I know none off you will agree with me and you will think i should be dead and that i should be prayed for

I am just making my point

There ARE very supportive people on CF who will accept you as you are and offer any support they can.

There are also many mean-minded, bigoted, truly hate-filled people who will smile at you while doing everything they can to destroy your faith -- and your self-confidence as well if they think they can get away with it.

They will happily tell you that "they love the sinner and hate the sin" and then do everything in their power to make the "sinner's" life a living nightmare; they will tell you that you're an "abomination" and use Scripture as a weapon to cut you off at the knees spiritually and emotionally -- all the while ignoring any Scriptures which could possibly pertain to them.

They'll quote the same seven Scriptures over and over and OVER again because they seem to believe that nobody but them has ever read Scripture; and even if we have read Scripture (including the original Greek and Hebrew) that doesn't really matter: their intepretation is the only "correct" one.

They'll pick you apart while telling you that they're interested "in your salvation" while conveniently overlooking every flaw they have in their own moral character -- and don't try pointing their flaws out to them because frankly, they're not interested; and they are veritable masters at minding everybody else's business but their own. You'll quickly figure out who these people are: avoid them like the plague.

Here is a list of 38 Ways To Win An Argument With a Liberal. It's a compendium of all the things you'll hear from some not-so-well-meaning as they do everything in their power to sabotage your arguments and your faith in order for them to reach the Holy Grail of "being right". Become very familiar with it: these are actual statements you're going to hear on this messageboard and others like this one.

Oh -- and if you'll PM me, I can direct you to some other sites where people actually talk the talk and walk the walk about being Christian (regardless of sexual orientation). Even when people disagree, they've learned the art of disagreeing agreeably -- something which is in terribly short supply here at CF.

 

[Kgreg]

There ARE very supportive people on CF who will accept you as you are and offer any support they can.

There are also many mean-minded, bigoted, truly hate-filled people who will smile at you while doing everything they can to destroy your faith -- and your self-confidence as well if they think they can get away with it.

They will happily tell you that "they love the sinner and hate the sin" and then do everything in their power to make the "sinner's" life a living nightmare; they will tell you that you're an "abomination" and use Scripture as a weapon to cut you off at the knees spiritually and emotionally -- all the while ignoring any Scriptures which could possibly pertain to them.

They'll quote the same seven Scriptures over and over and OVER again because they seem to believe that nobody but them has ever read Scripture; and even if we have read Scripture (including the original Greek and Hebrew) that doesn't really matter: their intepretation is the only "correct" one.

They'll pick you apart while telling you that they're interested "in your salvation" while conveniently overlooking every flaw they have in their own moral character -- and don't try pointing their flaws out to them because frankly, they're not interested; and they are veritable masters at minding everybody else's business but their own. You'll quickly figure out who these people are: avoid them like the plague.

Here is a list of 38 Ways To Win An Argument With a Liberal. It's a compendium of all the things you'll hear from some not-so-well-meaning as they do everything in their power to sabotage your arguments and your faith in order for them to reach the Holy Grail of "being right". Become very familiar with it: these are actual statements you're going to hear on this messageboard and others like this one.

Oh -- and if you'll PM me, I can direct you to some other sites where people actually talk the talk and walk the walk about being Christian (regardless of sexual orientation). Even when people disagree, they've learned the art of disagreeing agreeably -- something which is in terribly short supply here at CF.

There are also Christians here who will tell you the truth about sin, salvation, repentance and the joy of walking the walk of passing through the narrow gate and climbing the hard path.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Welcome Baaaaaaack Uber. You've been missed!

 

[outlaw]

That's not true. Romans 1 is pretty clear about "natural function" and "unatural".

The relationships are referred to as being unnatural. the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.


Romans 1 isn’t a cndmenation of homosexuals…rather it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries

 

[NateBlack]

Note that "it's not natural" no longer qualifies as a weapon you can use against gay people

That's not true. Romans 1 is pretty clear about "natural function" and "unatural".

Weapons are hard to let go of, arent' they?

 

[Brennin]

The relationships are referred to as being unnatural. the Greek words physin and paraphysin have been translated to mean natural and unnatural respectively. Contrary to popular belief, the word paraphysin does not mean "to go against the laws of nature", but rather engage in action(s) which is uncharacteristic for that person. An example of the word paraphysin is used in Romans 11:24, where God acts in an uncharacteristic (paraphysin) way to accept the Gentiles. Thus the passages correctly reads that it would be unnatural for heterosexuals to live as homosexuals, and for homosexuals to live as heterosexuals.


Romans 1 isn’t a cndmenation of homosexuals…rather it is a condemnation of ex-gay ministries

Where, with whom, and using what text did you study Ancient Greek?

 

[Brennin]

It still isn’t sexual orientation.

The high recidivism rates of pedophiles speak to the contrary.

 

[Kgreg]

Weapons are hard to let go of, arent' they?

Sin is hard to let go of, isn't it?

 

[NateBlack]

The high recidivism rates of pedophiles speak to the contrary.

Since the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual men, what's your point?

 

[Brennin]

Since the majority of pedophiles are heterosexual men, what's your point?

My point is that they do not appear to "choose" to be attracted to children. Thus, an "orientation" is not justification in and of itself.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

To branch off of a good point made: attraction isn't sin...it's what you do w/ that attraction that can be sin or not.

 

[UberLutheran]

There are also Christians here who will tell you the truth about sin, salvation, repentance and the joy of walking the walk of passing through the narrow gate and climbing the hard path.

And many of these same Christians will also make assumptions that we know nothing about sin, salvation, repentence, etc. -- and all too often aren't familiar with John 3:17 (the verse after the one everybody knows: For God didn't send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

But what would I know? After all, I'm a liberal Christian. :o

 

[NateBlack]

My point is that they do not appear to "choose" to be attracted to children. Thus, an "orientation" is not justification in and of itself.

Orientation isn't justification for what?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

My point is that they do not appear to "choose" to be attracted to children. Thus, an "orientation" is not justification in and of itself.

So you agree that there can be an orientation rather than a choice. So if pedophilia can be an orientation, why can't homosexuality be an orientation?

 

[crazyfingers]

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Homoeroticism may be observed in nature but it is antithetical to ordo naturalis. (q.v.)

Whether it is or not has el-zippo to do with morality. It's a bogus argument.

 

[crazyfingers]

But our Father has given moral isntruction only to those He made in His image, not the animals. Just because a dog (or other animal) does it by instinct, that doesn't mean it isn't a sin for people.

I know of no reason at all to believe that that's true. None of it.

 

[crazyfingers]

That's not true. Romans 1 is pretty clear about "natural function" and "unatural".

I don't know of any reason to accept what the bible says as any authoritative guide to moral behavior.

 

[crazyfingers]

There are also Christians here who will tell you the truth about sin, salvation, repentance and the joy of walking the walk of passing through the narrow gate and climbing the hard path.

Correction, they will tell you their opinion. Truth is far from demonstrated.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

My point is that they do not appear to "choose" to be attracted to children. Thus, an "orientation" is not justification in and of itself.

Why does homosexuality need to be justified? What actual harm is caused by homosexuality?

Hint: "jesus don't like it" or "I find it disgusting or icky or an abomination" doesn't count as harm, unless you are likely to have a nervous breakdown because of it or something. Which would be your own fault for getting worked up over nothing.