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[faster_jackrabbit]

You have no force behind your rebuke.

Some christians rebuke on a nonstop basis with absolutely no force behind their rebuke. They claim an authority to rebuke, but can provide no evidence the authority exists.

 

[chalice_thunder]

Some christians rebuke on a nonstop basis with absolutely no force behind their rebuke. They claim an authority to rebuke, but can provide no evidence the authority exists.

I see your rebuke, and raise you a canard!

 

[crazyfingers]

Note the complementary generative organs of males and females. Conclude that males and females are meant to copulate with each other.

Q.E.D.

Note that homosexuality is observed in nature across the animal kingdom.

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I'm not sure what the obsession about "natural" is anyway. Does anyone refuse a pacemaker because it is not natural?

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I see your rebuke, and raise you a canard!

I wasn't talking about you, but about christians in general.

 

[crazyfingers]

I'm not sure what the obsession about "natural" is anyway. Doesn't anyone refuse a pacemaker because it is not natural?

I agree. Not only is the claim not true, it's not relevent. More manufactured arguments on the part of the anti-gay croud to try to deflect from the fact that their objections are actually based on religion or the "yuk factor", neither grounds being objective.

 

[chalice_thunder]

I wasn't talking about you, but about christians in general.

I know, buddy. I was attempting to make a funny...that's all.

c_t (who finds the words "rebuke" and "canard" unusual)

 

[Brennin]

Note that homosexuality is observed in nature across the animal kingdom.

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

Note that humans are rational animals and should not take cues on propriety from beasts.

 

[NateBlack]

Note that humans are rational animals and should not take cues on propriety from beasts.

Note that "it's not natural" no longer qualifies as a weapon you can use against gay people.

 

[Brennin]

It is also manifestly obvious (to anyone who is honest) that the bible condones racism…what’s your point?

That is false.

 

[OdwinOddball]

To any who oppose gay marriage. I charge you with a simple task.

Go out into the world. Befriend a gay or lesbian couple. Actually get to know them. Spend time with them. Observe how they act towards each other.

Then after you have spent time enough to consider them friends, stand up, look them straight in the eye, and tell them no, they cannot be married and that their "lifestyle" is sinfull. Tell them any of the insulting remarks you spew on a regular basis here on these forums. And do it all without breaking eye contact out of shame.

 

[crazyfingers]

Note that humans are rational animals and should not take cues on propriety from beasts.

Neither have I suggested that they should. I noted that to show the lie in bogus and false "not Natural" argument against homosexuality.

 

[crazyfingers]

Note that "it's not natural" no longer qualifies as a weapon you can use against gay people.

No kidding:

Argument 1: It's immoral because it isn't natural.

Refutation: The evidence demonstrates that it is natural

Argument 2: Just because it's natural doesn't mean that its moral.

So we are still waiting for an argument to be suggested.

 

[Brennin]

Note that "it's not natural" no longer qualifies as a weapon you can use against gay people.

I agree in the sense that it is in man's nature to be visceral. However, homoeroticism is antithetical to ordo naturalis, the natural order of things. In that sense, homoeroticism is profoundly unnatural.

 

[Brennin]

Neither have I suggested that they should. I noted that to show the lie in bogus and false "not Natural" argument against homosexuality.

.

Homoeroticism may be observed in nature but it is antithetical to ordo naturalis. (q.v.)

 

[Kgreg]

To any who oppose gay marriage. I charge you with a simple task.

Go out into the world. Befriend a gay or lesbian couple. Actually get to know them. Spend time with them. Observe how they act towards each other.

Then after you have spent time enough to consider them friends, stand up, look them straight in the eye, and tell them no, they cannot be married and that their "lifestyle" is sinfull. Tell them any of the insulting remarks you spew on a regular basis here on these forums. And do it all without breaking eye contact out of shame.

As a repentant homosexual, I do this on a regular basis. Although, I don't do it with insulting remarks. I don't have a problem calling sin "sin". Especially, if it's in the best interests of a man's or woman's eternity.

 

[Kgreg]

Um....I agree with you, although paedophilia is not a sexual preference. I was simply defining the words for another poster!

Oh really?. Why don't you speak to someone who was victimized by a pederast and see what they think was the sexual predator's sexual preference?

 

[outlaw]

Oh really?. Why don't you speak to someone who was victimized by a pederast and see what they think was the sexual predator's sexual preference?

It still isn’t sexual orientation.

A perpetrator’s sexual abuse of a child is independent of his sexual orientation…that said child molesters are almost exclusively heterosexual men.
Jenny, C., Roesler, T. A., & Poyer, K. L. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94(1), 41-44.
Groth, A.N., & Birnbaum, H.J. (1978). Adult sexual orientation and attraction to underage persons. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 7 (3), 175-181.
Freund, K., Watson, R., & Rienzo, D. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age preference. The Journal of Sex Research, 26 (1), 107-117.

 

[Kgreg]

Yep and also:

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Jam 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

...to name a few...this is why you read the whole bible, not just parts

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lilly of the Valley again.

 

[Kgreg]

Note that homosexuality is observed in nature across the animal kingdom.

http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

But our Father has given moral isntruction only to those He made in His image, not the animals. Just because a dog (or other animal) does it by instinct, that doesn't mean it isn't a sin for people.