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If Jesus wanted someone on earth to represent Him, he had no choice but flawed human beings. In fact, ALL his apostles were flawed. They all, but one, ran away at the slightest problem.
Wow, awesome photo Bro!And yet, when Jesus was speaking to the Apostles, in Matthew 16, what was the venue?
Thanks. It's the site in Caesarea Philippi, formerly called Paneas where Jesus brought his apostles to reflect on who He is.
The name "Peter" itself means "rock." And Peter is later called "Cephas" (1 Cor. 15:5) which also means "rock." Here's an article that explains it more in-depth: Peter the Rock
He did tell them, though, that it was necessary that he leave them, or the Holy Spirit would not come. It is through the Holy Spirit that Peter, the apostles, and their successors, have their power. No other way.
Suggesting that the rock is Jesus, and his representative on earth is the holy spirit who dwells in Christians?
Jesus left a visible Church on earth, why must it be either Jesus is the rock or Peter is the rock? Jesus installed his Apostle to carry the Church forward after Jesus was no long with them.
I read the original topic of the thread to essentially mean that Peter is the rock on which the church is founded, and believing otherwise is just silly. But if Jesus began his church with a cracked foundation, he set us up for failure, so I find it hard to believe the rock referred to anything but himself and his teachings. If Peter is the rock on which the church is built, I'm switching to atheism.
Whom or what, on earth, would you suggest for the foundation? Keep in mind that He had not sent the Holy Spirit, yet, and that the HS is the guide of the Church. The pope, or Peter, is the instrument.
Only Jesus Christ himself is capable of being the foundation. He is eternal enough for that.
Not any more so than the other apostles or Paul, or anyone who has the holy spirit. No one person besides Christ can have that authority. Jesus even had to correct Peter and his beliefs using visions. The most I can say for Peter is that he showed us an example of what following Jesus looks like, but that can be said for many others.
Nvmnd what the OT says about rocks and stones let's just look at the NT
Wrong. Just as a king (Isaiah 22, for example) has a prime minister who speaks with his authority, so Christ made Peter his. "What doors you open, no one shall shut, what doors you close, no one shall open." He spoke this to Peter alone.
Who claimed that Peter is the topic of the story, other than the OP title?
The Old Testament has to be interpreted in light of the New. And Jesus (God) was the one who changed Simon's name to Peter (which means rock). There's a prophecy about this in Isaiah 22.
Who do you think that the revelation from the Father came from? It was thru the Holy Spirit and this is what was being referred to as that which the church is founded on!!!! The instrument is the vessels that He has prepared, not just Peter or the pope but every believer
