Unity.

[Hammster]

Then it would behoove us to find a different way for unity since your way won’t happen. I would think we all live in this country together, realizing we are not each an island but what we do has an affect on other people, and doing things that will benefit all would be more than enough to unify us. Not necessarily in what actions we take, that is for civilized political debate, but certainly in final goal.

Christianity is great for having positive effects upon each other. All one body.

 

[Hammster]

It would, but as a practical matter we are a religiously diverse society and will always remain so. Even if we all became Christians we would not necessarily all be Christians of a kind you would approve of. We are willing to cooperate with you to govern the country. What would it take for you to cooperate with us, short of us all becoming Fundamentalist Evangelicals?

Follow what Christ says in His word. We could start with Don’t Murder, and then go from there.

 

[Speedwell]

Protections for the unborn infants.

That's a good example, if we dare touch that third rail in this forum. Is there an alternative to treating termination of pregnancy from fertilization onwards as capital murder that you could agree to?

 

[KCfromNC]

Well, we have to unify around something fixed. King Jesus is the most reasonable.

That's certainly one subjective opinion of many. Too bad not enough people found it convincing to vote for the guy pandering to the religious right. Oh well, elections have consequences and all that.

 

[KCfromNC]

I am the OP.

Indeed.

 

[driewerf]

I didn’t say that. Unity is submitting to the King of the universe, Jesus Christ.

That you believe that is your prerogative. Don't impose your believes on others.

 

[KCfromNC]

Protections for the unborn infants.

Perhaps by, say, tripling welfare payments to poor mothers, federally mandated 1 year family leave, and universal health care? Seems like the now minority GOP won't go for that sort of unity.

 

[driewerf]

Follow what Christ says in His word. We could start with Don’t Murder, and then go from there.

There is no need to follow Jesus for not murdering each other. To follow the secular laws is enough.

 

[Hammster]

That's certainly one subjective opinion of many. Too bad not enough people found it convincing to vote for the guy pandering to the religious right. Oh well, elections have consequences and all that.

That’s not relevant to this thread.

 

[Hammster]

That you believe that is your prerogative. Don't impose your believes on others.

I’m not. I’m sharing what the King requires.


and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
— Mark 1:15

 

[Hammster]

There is no need to follow Jesus for not murdering each other. To follow the secular laws is enough.

If that were true, there’d be no abortions.

 

[driewerf]

Protections for the unborn infants.

Someone (and I can't remember who I need to give credit for this) once opened a thread with this as theme: suppose we give you full power to enact whatever laws you want against abortion, what are you ready to support?

• tighter gun control?
• definitive ban on death penalty?
• universal health care?
• the Green New Deal?
• statehood for DC and Puerto Rico?
• better protection of gays?

Or feel free to make your own suggestions.


Edit: adding KCfromNC's suggestions

Perhaps by, say, tripling welfare payments to poor mothers, federally mandated 1 year family leave, and universal health care? Seems like the now minority GOP won't go for that sort of unity.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Christianity is great for having positive effects upon each other. All one body.

I would argue a cursory knowledge of the last 600 years of European history and all of the wars between factions of Christianity would show that Christianity is a horrible for bringing people together in one body.

 

[natitude]

That's a good example, if we dare touch that third rail in this forum. Is there an alternative to treating termination of pregnancy from fertilization onwards as capital murder that you could agree to?

So, I do believe that abortion ought to be allowed in those cases of rape, or in which the life of the mother is in jeopardy, or in which it has been medically determined that the fetus will not survive. In those cases of abortion for mere convenience, removing a doctor's ability to practice medicine who performs an abortion might put a dent in that unseemly procedure.

 

[Hammster]

I would argue a cursory knowledge of the last 600 years of European history and all of the wars between factions of Christianity would show that Christianity is a horrible for bringing people together in one body.

I’m talking about actual believers in Christ, not just church goers.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I wouldn't count of unity. Some Republicans have turned on each other. And put Trump before everyone. And defend him, when they know Trump is wrong. I'm not sure ,what to think about the people, that aren't the left. But get accused of being on the left. And some Democrat leader trying their best to please them. But forget about the rest of the Democrat voters.

 

[driewerf]

I’m not. I’m sharing what the King requires.

Again, that is what you believe.

 

[Speedwell]

I’m not. I’m sharing what the King requires.


and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
— Mark 1:15

Good. It's beginning to sound as if you want to actually evangelize, rather than having the government do that work for you. But keep in mind that the Gospel of Christ says nothing specific about how we are supposed to deal with climate change, the Covid pandemic, gun control, international trade or Central American refugees, or other "Christian" issues which the religious right have taken a definite position on.

 

[driewerf]

If that were true, there’d be no abortions.

Abortion isn't murder.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Like boys are boy, girls are girls, and masks don’t work?

It works better, than not wearing a mask. I know a people , that didn't believe in mask, They got COVID-19 , and 2 people I know died of COVID-19. And I wont even get into transgenders, since it's none our business.