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Unity.

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Hammster, Jan 22, 2021.

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  1. SummerMadness

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    This thread is in the American Politics section, if you are not talking about unity with respect to American Politics, then this thread is in the wrong section and needs to be moved. When you say there can only be unity under a specific religion, it goes against the very premise of American democracy, you go against the freedom even most conservatives support, which is religious freedom. I guess the real question is do you accept unity in a system where everyone is free to worship or not worship as they please? Saying that you can only have unity if everyone follows your religious faith is the antithesis to unity as you do not allow for disagreement from your own orthodoxy.
     
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  2. Halbhh

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    Indeed, many! This is why Christ came to save us, because we are all guilty.

    But even for 'capital crimes' by human standards, human justice is very flawed in reality.

    The problem is that human beings too often make mistakes in judging who is actually guilty!

    Often! Not just a few times, or just 20 times. Hundreds and hundreds of times, even for current convicts!

    To date, 375 people in the United States have been exonerated by DNA testing, including 21 who served time on death row. These people served an average of 14 years in prison before exoneration and release.
    Exonerate - Innocence Project.

    Imagine if you had been the person that executed an innocent convict, that was not guilty, and then you found out what you had done!
     
  3. natitude

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    I guaranty that if such programs were put in place the Left would not budge on its insistence of abortion on demand. The Left basically wants to remove any and all consequences of sexual intercourse.

    And I don't know the answer to these two questions, but let me ask: How many women seeking an abortion are doing so only because certain federal safety nets aren't in place? And would their attitudes be any different if private sector safety nets were in place?
     
  4. driewerf

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    No, this is what you believe to be the truth.
     
  5. Speedwell

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    Which is why the credibility of the pro-life movement suffers when they talk about "murdered babies." BTW, "on demand" means it's a personal, medical decision on the part of the woman and her medical advisor without judicial intervention. This is particularly important in late term abortions, which are almost always the result of a dangerous medical crisis which nobody wants a Judge Roy Moore poking his nose into. Nor do such abortions always result in the death of the fetus--destruction of viable fetus is illegal in 42 states--no thanks to pro-lifers. I would like to see such a restriction in all fifty, though it is in all cases against medical ethics.

    There are reliable statistics, if you're really interested, but I suspect you don't want to relinquish your notion that all abortions are the recourse of wanton libertines too lazy to use birth control
     
  6. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    My is the revealed word of God in scripture. I don’t avoid the questions.
     
  7. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Sometimes it’s attempted murder.
     
  8. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    How do you determine right from wrong? What grounds your morality?
     
  9. Speedwell

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    But you never question your interpretation of scripture.
     
  10. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    You’ve missed the point. Everyone can say what they think unity means. I’m just doing the same.
     
  11. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    What do you believe truth is?
     
  12. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    How do you know that?
     
  13. durangodawood

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    At the risk of departing from your OP topic...

    Right/wrong are what either promotes or obstructs the values that are natural (or God given - if you so believe) to human beings.
     
  14. Speedwell

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    I've certainly never seen any indication of it, and you assert it as the only true interpretation.
     
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  15. natitude

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    Please provide statistics regarding the number of abortions that would change with greater government safety nets, and with greater privately funded safety nets.

    I already responded to you here with my position.
     
  16. pitabread

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    And the No true Scotman fallacy rears its head...
     
  17. durangodawood

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    Yeah anyone can say whatever they want.

    But is it defensible in the context of American Politics?

    Or is this just a pointless nonsense exercise?
     
  18. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    How do you determine what those values are?
     
  19. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    So you don’t know.
     
  20. Hammster

    Hammster Getting whiter. Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Not really.
     
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