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understanding Daniel & Rvelation.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Prophecy Countdown, Oct 30, 2002.

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    Prophecy Countdown Senior Member

    Ishmael from an EGYPTIAN mother could have inherited Abraham’s inheritance.
    Satan wanted the Earth which was given to Adam which will be purchased for man through the second Adam that is why Jesus is called the second Adam.
    1 Corinthians 15: 45.And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

    1 Corinthians 15: 46.Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    1 Corinthians 15: 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1 Corinthians 15: 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Indeed, Jesus is the second Adam. I will explain later.

    All this fighting because Sarah insisted Abraham use Hagar to be a mother so her husband could father a son, because she lacked faith in waiting for the promise of a son. The promise to Abram and Sarai of a son, at their ages? Sounds as difficult to achieve as would a birth of a son without a husband to a virgin.

    One small mistake for Sarah and Abraham, the result? One huge problem for us! This is why the Gentiles think they are going to put a stop to this fighting and trample on the city of Jerusalem for 42 in Rev 11. And in doing so Israel will become a trembling in the hands of the Gentiles and if you don’t believe it the read this.
    Zechariah 12:2. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

    This is why we have trouble with these nations of “wild men” today.
    I am not being a racist, I’m a realist and what we are seeing in Daniel’s visions is a period of trouble that was never ever since any nation.
    What happened in Abraham’s family with Ishmael feuding within that family, was just a microcosm of today and is a prophetic shadow of things to come.
    Genesis 17: 9.And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
    Genesis 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

    Prophecy Countdown comment,,,, The Arab nations want that Temple site and for the moment they have it. The Israelites will get it back and build a Temple there, that is why in Revelation 11. John is told measure the “Temple of God” not a Mosque. The Mosque will come down. Satan will sit in the Temple of God at the sides of the North on the Mount of the congregation as we will find out in Daniel 12; for 1290 days.
    Satan said so to himself please read the following verses.

    Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
    Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
    Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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    This is the one that will appear as a stern faced king, he looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon. That should tell us lots about Satan’s plans.

    However enough of my thinking allowed I think we should get back to Daniel 11.
    Daniel 11: 15 “So the king of the North shall come and build a siege mound, and take a fortified city; and the forces of the South shall not withstand him. Even his choice troops shall have no strength to resist.

    Prophecy Countdown comment,,, Things are really starting to worry me in these next verses, again the King of the North will hammer away and the king in the South can’t do a thing even with his best crack troops.

    Daniel 11: 16 “But he who comes against him shall do according to his own will, and no one shall stand against him. He shall stand in the Glorious Land with destruction in his power.

    Daniel 11:17 “He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do. And he shall give him the daughter of women to destroy it; but she shall not stand with him, or be for him.

    Daniel 11: 18 “After this he shall turn his face to the coastlands, and shall take many. But a ruler shall bring the reproach against them to an end; and with the reproach removed, he shall turn back on him. 19“Then he shall turn his face toward the fortress of his own land; but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.

    Daniel 11: 20 “There shall arise in his place one who imposes taxes on the glorious kingdom; but within a few days he shall be destroyed, but not in anger or in battle.

    Daniel 11: 21 “And in his place shall arise a vile person, to whom they will not give the honor of royalty; but he shall come in peaceably, and seize the kingdom by intrigue.

    Daniel 11: 22 “With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant.

    Prophecy Countdown, agreements mean nothing lying cheating anything goes to gain a benefit.
    Daniel 11: 23 “And after the league is made with him he shall act deceitfully, for he shall come up and become strong with a small number of people.
    Daniel 11: 24 “He shall enter peaceably, even into the richest places of the province; and he shall do what his fathers have not done, nor his forefathers: he shall disperse among them the plunder, spoil, and riches; and he shall devise his plans against the strongholds, but only for a time.

    Daniel 11: 25 “He shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the South with a great army. And the king of the South shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand, for they shall devise plans against him.
    Daniel 11: 26 “Yes, those who eat of the portion of his delicacies shall destroy him; his army shall be swept away, and many shall fall down slain.
    Daniel 11: 27 “Both these kings’ hearts shall be bent on evil, and they shall speak lies at the same table; but it shall not prosper, for the end will still be at the appointed time.

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, This is known as the art of dissembling.

    Daniel 11: 28 “While returning to his land with great riches, his heart shall be moved against the holy covenant; so he shall do damage and return to his own land.
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    Daniel 11: 29 “At the appointed time he shall return and go toward the south; but it shall not be like the former or the latter.

    Prophecy Countdown comment, The vision is for” the time of the end” and that this time it will be different from the former or latter and the ships from Cyprus in the following can only be the American 3rd fleet berthed at Cyprus. The difference this time regards Gentiles is that they may be welcomed compared to former or latter times regarding Arab Gentiles who have been resisted by the Israelites. This evil man will be trouble anyone against the covenant he will be pleased and show regard for those against the Covenant.
    Daniel 11: 30 “For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage. So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.

    Prophecy Countdown, comment, There is an interference with the (place of the daily) the word sacrifice in italics has been added. The translation reads “and they shall defile the Sanctuary fortress; and shall take away the place of the daily and place the abomination of desolation.”
    This is why we are told in revelation that John is told only measure the Temple and not outside for it is given to the Gentiles.

    Revelation 11;2. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    Revelation 11;2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty two months.

    Prophecy Countdown, comment. This is very difficult to pull together these answers are not easily found so please bear with me.
    We do know that there is a little difficulty in finding out where Satan comes on the scene who looks like a lamb and speaks like a dragon. Jerusalem is not innocent as things are shown to us from the past we should understand that they are prophetic and will be done again. The insult and the blaspheming of God will occur again as we have studied with the false prophet saying unheard of things against God. Ezekiel was a Prophet and his words of prophecy will again occur at the “time of the end.”

    Ezekiel 8:4, The Spirit took me to the north gate of the temple’s inner courtyard, where there was an idol that disgusted the LORD and made him furious.
    Ezekiel 8:4 Then I saw the brightness of the glory of the God of Israel, just as I had seen it near the Chebar River.
    Ezekiel 8:5 God said to me, “Ezekiel, son of man, look north.” And when I did, I saw that disgusting idol by the altar near the gate.
    Ezekiel 8:6 God then said, “Do you see the terrible sins of the people of Israel? Their sins are making my holy temple unfit as a place to worship me. Yet you will see even worse things than this.”
    Ezekiel 8:7 Next, I was taken to the entrance of the courtyard, where I saw a hole in the wall.
    Ezekiel 8:8 God said, “Make this hole bigger.” And when I did, I realized it was a doorway.
    Ezekiel 8:9 “Go in,” God said, “and see what horrible and evil things the people are doing.”
    Ezekiel 8:10 Inside, I saw that the walls were covered with pictures of reptiles and disgusting, unclean animals, as well as with idols that the Israelites were worshiping.
    Ezekiel 8:11 Seventy Israelite leaders were standing there, including Jaazaniah son of Shaphan. Each of these leaders was
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    holding an incense burner, and the smell of incense filled the room.
    Ezekiel 8:12 God said, “Ezekiel, do you see what horrible things Israel’s leaders are doing in secret? They have filled their rooms with idols. And they say I can’t see them, because they think I have already deserted Israel.
    Ezekiel 8:13 But I will show you something even worse than this.”
    Ezekiel 8:14 He took me to the north gate of the temple, where I saw women mourning for the god Tammuz.
    Ezekiel 8:15 God asked me, “Can you believe what these women are doing? But now I want to show you something worse.”
    Ezekiel 8:16 I was then led into the temple’s inner courtyard, where I saw about twenty-five men standing near the entrance, between the porch and the altar. Their backs were to the LORD’s temple, and they were bowing down to the rising sun.
    Ezekiel 8:17 God said, “Ezekiel, it’s bad enough that the people of Judah are doing these disgusting things. But they have also spread violence and injustice everywhere in Israel and have made me very angry. They have disgraced and insulted me in the worst possible way.
    Ezekiel 8:18 So in my fierce anger, I will punish them without mercy and refuse to help them when they cry out to me.”

    Prophecy Countdown OK, I’m going back to Daniel.

    Daniel 11: 31 “And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily, and place the abomination of desolation.

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, Satan appearing as the angel of light the Lamb that speaks like a dragon is coming soon.
    Revelation 13:4.And they worshipped the dragon which GAVE POWER unto the BEAST: and they WORSHIPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    Revelation 13:6. And he opened his mouth in blaspheme against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    Revelation 13:11. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a LAMB, and he SPAKE as a DRAGON.
    Revelation 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    Prophecy Countdown comment, the dragon, Lucifer was more powerful than the beast standing in front of him because Satan gave authority and power to the beast in the first place as we will see in the following verses
    Revelation 13:4. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES ; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY and TWO MONTHS.

    Daniel 11: 32 “Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.

    Prophecy Countdown, the above verse is a warning about the power of flattery. We as humans can’t handle praise, honour, or flattery, the only person who can handle it is God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, no angel will allow you to bow down to them, eccept Satan! Check it out.
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    Daniel 11: 33 “And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering.

    Daniel 11: 34 “Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue.
    Daniel 11: 35 “And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

    Prophecy Countdown Here he is the false prophet who says unheard of things against God. A real trouble maker right in the next verse.
    Daniel 11: 36 “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and MAGNIFY HIMSELF above every god, shall speak BLASPHEMIES against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
    Daniel 11: 37 “He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
    Prophecy Countdown,,, The false prophet will pay homage to the beast.
    Daniel 11: 38 “But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.
    Daniel 11: 39 “Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
    Daniel 11: 40 “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through.
    Daniel 11: 41 “He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the prominent people of Ammon.
    Daniel 11: 42. “He shall stretch out his hand against the countries, and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    Daniel 11: 43. “He shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; also the Libyans and Ethiopians shall follow at his heels.
    Daniel 11: 44. “But news from the east and the north shall trouble him; therefore he shall go out with great fury to destroy and annihilate many.
    Daniel 11: 45. “And he shall plant the tents of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and no one will help him.
    Prophecy Countdown,, this period of the 2300 days is going to be really bad for God’s people and those with the number 666.
    Prophecy Countdown.
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    Daniel 12.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, As we have studied Daniel 11 we can see how, Satan, and the beast and false prophet will, be responsible in the destruction of many to “destroy, and utterly to make away many.” But it must stop,
    “yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.”

    Firstly Jesus shows us the Father through Himself as “The Son of Man” as the “Son of God.” Also suffering “the second death” as the “Lamb” of God,” to be able to save us from the snares of sin, to become our “Sin Bearer” in suffering the second death, paying for the deeds, to gain back Adam’s inheritance that was lost.
    He has to get rid of Satan out of Heaven as “Michael.”
    Our “Saviour” has to become the “Lamb” “then has to be found worthy. “Worthy, worthy is the Lamb to receive honour and glory” and regain His Kingdom might and power.
    Michael never appears in court because Jesus as Michael has not the authority of the Lamb to do so.

    Revelation 5: 2. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

    Prophecy Countdown,, In Daniel the little book is closed in Revelation the little book is open.

    It needed a man to open the Book? Yes! A MAN. Jesus can’t do this, unless He becomes a man, the son of David as a member of Adam’s family.
    A family member that can prove His hereditary line through the begats, therefore having the right to the family deeds, the Earth, by paying a price that no man could pay eccept God as the “Lamb” but the Lamb as a MAN must be found worthy to open the Book.
    Are you with me? Do you understand what it is that I’m trying to say? I hope I’m making it clear sometimes I don’t and confuse people.
    Revelation 5: 3 And NO MAN in HEAVEN, nor in EARTH, neither under the EARTH, was able to OPEN the BOOK, NEITHER to LOOK THEREON.

    Revelation 5:4. And I WEPT much, because no MAN was found WORTHY to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

    Prophecy Countdown,, Please, this is important. The situation was Hopeless! I mean the situation was Really desperate. We are very fortunate that Jesus PREVAILED.
    How close did we come?
    “Take this cup from Me, Father if it be thy will” It was so close it was a crisis in the making because everything had to be done rightly and properly by the only way God knows how.

    Please bear with me on this. It was not only a matter of whether the Father was “well pleased” with His son but that the Elders thought that Jesus was worthy and were pleased with Him also, This is a demonstration of the humility of Jesus and the Father and of their total fairness.
    Nobody, as a man, could be found worthy!
    This is why John is crying his eyes out!

    He will have to be found worthy, in court as the Lamb, as a HUMAN.
    Man, when I study this it really brings home a message!!!
    This is how Jesus shows His love and that of the Father. “Thy will, be done Father.”
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    Revelation 5: 5. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the LION of the TRIBE of JUDA, the ROOT of DAVID, hath PREVAILED to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

    Revelation 5: 9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art WORTHY to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast SLAIN, and hast REDEEMED US TO GOD by thy BLOOD out of EVERY kindred, and tongue, and PEOPLE, and nation;

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, Reread the verse above, please. It is the REDEEMED that Judge HIM WORTHY! If we can’t grasp the humility of the Father and the Son then we don’t know them.
    God knows His people and they know Him.
    How can we understand the deep, deep, love of God?
    This is the Mystery of God!
    Revelation 5: 10. And hast MADE US unto our God, KINGS and PRIESTS: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 5: 11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
    Revelation 5: 12. Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY is the LAMB that was SLAIN to REVIVE POWER, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and HONOUR, and GLORY, and BLESSING.

    Prophecy Countdown,, When you or I work, we are known as the Sanitary worker, bottle washer, Tradesman, Doctor, Nurse, C E O, builder, whatever our job description is, we are named as such.
    When we go home however, we take on another roll, as maybe, father, mother or friend, Son, Daughter, Sister, Brother.
    Jesus is doing everything legally, correctly, with the authority recognised as HIS which He has rightly and fairly earned.
    The authority of Jesus, as “the Lamb” This was not given to HIM until HE earned it and that is only right, just and fair, legally and in every right way.
    Jesus has to be recognised as having that authority by every created being.

    Revelation 4:11. Thou art WORTHY, O LORD, to RECEIVE GLORY and HONOUR and POWER: for thou hast CREATED all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, The moment The Creator created free thinking beings He knew that it would be trouble.
    Now Satan means Accuser, so The Lord went to court to be found worthy by a just and fair hearing! To counter the Accuser’s accusations.
    What makes Michael stand?
    When the False prophet starts making false accusations against God on Earth. Michael stands with His angels and there is war and Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven to Earth

    Daniel 7:25. And he shall speak words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, we and Elijah and Moses the two Witnesses are then given into his hands for 3 ½ years.
    “Time” = 1. “Times” = 2. “Half a time” = ½ which equals 3 ½ years. As soon as 3 ½ years are up! The “time of the end” ceases and the end of time, that is times up for Satan’s domain!!

    Daniel 7: 26. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

    Daniel 7: 27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey HIM.
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    Prophecy Countdown,,,, The Title system of work definition and description, being applied to our Lord depending on what hat He is wearing to coin a human phrase must also apply to Lucifer, the “Angel of the morning?”

    Lucifer, meaning the angel of light, will lose his place ( his job responsibilities status) in Heaven, and be renamed Satan because he is the Accuser of not only Jesus and God but the Lord’s followers, angels and humans “accusing them day and night.”
    Satan is then called “the prince of darkness” and the dragon or Devil because he has EARNED those names by his ACTIONS.

    Let’s go over to Revelation and pull it together after reading Daniel’s 1st verse of chapter 12.

    Daniel 12: 1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which STANDETH for the children of THY PEOPLE: and there shall be a TIME of TROUBLE, such as never was since there was a NATION even to that same TIME: and at THAT TIME THY PEOPLE shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Prophecy Countdown,, The story of Daniel is replicated in Revelation and also in other parts of the Bible as we have seen and shall see when studying further. The Earthly battle of Armageddon will only start after trumpet seven and not before.
    As we have seen in Daniel the Battle will last 15 months. However the Heavenly controversy ending in battle must be dealt with first. Satan gets thrown down to our Earth.

    Revelation 12: 7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    Revelation 12: 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, Michael has the authority to fight in Heaven, the Lamb does not. Michael does not have the authority to fight on Earth , the Lamb does.
    Also the FATHER will be on His throne with the Lamb on the TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD!!!

    Revelation 6:16. And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of HIM that sitteth on the THRONE, and from the WRATH of the LAMB: 17For the GREAT DAY of HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Prophecy Countdown,,, Jesus the Lamb has proved Himself Faithful and is called by that name also.
    It is the Lamb that sits on the white horse with the two edged sword in Revelation 19:11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and TRUE, and in RIGHTIOUSNESS he DOTH JUDGE and MAKE WAR.
    Prophecy Countdown,,, Remember the Serpent in the garden tempting Eve.
    Revelation 12: 9. And the GRETA DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and SATAN, which DECEIVETH the whole world: he was cast out into the EARTH, and his ANGELS were cast out with him.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, Heaven’s inhabitants, being fair and allowing Lucifer time for his argument have had to put up with this stuff for so long and are heartily sick of it and Lucifer.
    Revelation 12: 10. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the KINGDOM of our God, and the power of his CHRIST: for the ACCUSER of our BRETHREN is cast down, which accused them before our God DAY and NIGHT.
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    Prophecy Countdown,,, we are now going to have to put up with Satan on Earth, which is the most miserable place in the Universe and he Satan is going to get stuck right into us because we tell the truth and of course the two Witnesses are going to die also. Some will escape. 5 ½ years ago I out of the city to be self sufficient because we will not be able to buy or sell.

    Revelation 13:17. and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Revelation 12: 11. And they overcame him by the blood of the LAMB, and by the WORD of THEIR TESTIMONY; and they loved not their lives unto the DEATH.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, I’m sorry folks but the Bible is blunt. We are going to go through a bad, time if we stick to the truth it is a fact!.
    There are a lot of folk that just can’t take this testimony, if you can’t then stop reading now.
    We can stick our heads in the sand or go along with Satan or we can stick with the Testimony of Jesus and maybe lose our lives, or maybe we won’t die!

    Now please don’t get angry with the messenger. it is what the Bible says. This is why Jesus said,
    Luke 21: 36. “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to STAND before the Son of man.”

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, Don’t worry about the evil guys, pray that we can escape the 7 bowls of the wrath of God and get through the 7 trumpet period and get through to the end of the 1335 days to receive a blessing from God and escape these things that are going to be brought about by the two Prophets Elijah and Moses and angels in Revelation 11, from Jerusalem.

    Revelation 12: 12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE to the inhabiters of the EARTH and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Prophecy Countdown,,,, Does this study make sense to you?
    Does what I’m saying, sound reasonable?
    What I’m trying to do is bring it all together.

    I have to leave so much out until Revelation.

    I know my studies go on and on, but that’s how I study the Bible.
    I do thank you for your patience with me in this.

    Daniel 12: 2. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
    Prophecy Countdown,,, This “time of the end” prophecy approaches the time of the resurrection, at trumpet 7 and then woe 3 kicks in, Armageddon!
    1 Corinthians 15:52. It will happen in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, the Christians who have died will be raised with transformed bodies. And then we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die.

    Prophecy Countdown,, “The wise” God’s people will shine just like the Lord at the transfiguration, taking on the gift, earned for us by Jesus, of eternal life.

    Daniel 12: 3. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
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    Prophecy Countdown,,, When we close or seal up a book nobody gets to read or understand it. The book‘s understanding will elude us until “the time of the end.” However we are told that many will travel over the pages so that understanding of the Book will be increased.
    Daniel 12: 4. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, Now we know what river the next verse of Daniel is speaking, because we have studied it, it is the river Ulai or modern name Karun in Iran. From past studies of Daniel. 8: 15. And Daniel 8:2.
    Let me just read it again to refresh our memories.

    Daniel 8:2. And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
    Prophecy Countdown,,, knowing that it is the river Karun and that Elam was in Iran, Shushan was the capital of the Medo Persian empire, but also remembering that the vision concerns the time of the end and that Daniel did not know the new names that would be given to these places at the time of the end, we have to find out where they are, using our historic knowledge gained through historic geographical books and the Bible.
    So let’s go back to Daniel 8 to confirm the location as in Iran.

    Daniel 8: 15.And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

    Daniel 8: 16. And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, the geographical location is not named in the next verse but I am sure the river Thames is not a consideration. The Prophet Daniel would expect us to know the river and its location.
    Daniel 12: 5. .Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.

    Daniel 12: 6. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

    Prophecy Countdown… In plain English how long is this dreadful situation going to go on for? And the answer is.
    3 ½ years!

    Daniel 12: 7. And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

    Prophecy Countdown,,
    A holy people will be scattered for 3 ½ years before the Prince of Darkness is destroyed.

    Daniel 12: 8. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

    Daniel 12: 9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
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    Prophecy Countdown,,, What follows is an explanation of the things we have just read. We first get the story then an expansion.

    Prophecy Countdown,, The “wise will understand but the wicked will not” about the things understood from Daniel’s prophecies. When it comes to prophecy, apocalyptic, eschatological, Some thirst for it, but others? Don’t wish to know.

    Some argue stating things like. We are not meant to understand Daniel or Revelation.” or “It’s allegorical” or that some of the nasty bits “have been fulfilled” or We are going to be lifted to avoid it in “the pre tribulation.” Or they attack the messenger.

    Some like to hear the smooth and nice things at church.
    It was some church leaders that were offended by the Christ.
    It was a Government guard that punched our Jesus in the back and said “prophesy who hit you.”
    It was the Temple Guards and government soldiers that did the dirty work to Jesus and the Disciples.
    So when you get into prophecy officialdom will get into you, it goes with the territory.

    Isaiah 30: 10. Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

    Prophecy Countdown,,, I know I’m pulling Bible from here and there but the intent is the same. It is the same story.
    Daniel 12: 10. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    Prophecy Countdown,,, who is going to sit where he ought not when he gets thrown down here and causes all the wars in Daniel 11?

    Isaiah 14:9. Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

    Isaiah 14:10. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

    Isaiah 14:11. Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

    Isaiah 14:12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will SIT also upon the MOUNT of the CONGREGATION, in the SIDES of the NORTH:

    Isaiah 14:14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    Isaiah 14:15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
    Prophecy Countdown,,, Men will wonder what on earth possessed them to even follow such a person and look him up and down, how did this man make the Earth’s nations tremble and how could this man destroy the Earth?
    Isaiah 14:16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
    Isaiah 14:17. That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
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    (Rev 11.) Bringing on plagues stopping the rain and witnessing for 1260 days, within the same 3 ½ years.
    What should the folk in Jerusalem, do when Satan sits in the Temple of God?
    Mathew 24: 15. “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
    In plain English. Get out!! Now!! Run!!
    Satan will persecute those that follow Jesus he will go after them.
    Revelation 12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT of her seed, which KEEP the COMMANDMENTS of GOD, and HAVE the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST.
    Revelation 19: 10. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the TESTIMONY of JESUS: worship God: for the TESTIMONY of JESUS is the SPIRIT of PROPHECY.

    Plan now my friends, carefully for your future, be diligent, watch, look and listen.
    If you decide to move out of the cities to try and become self sufficient, then do so prayerfully and with care and prudent financial planning.

    Remember, Water, good soil, and shelter. When making decisions for your family consult them with sound Biblical reasoning.

    The time we have for choice is going to run out but do not panic or rush into anything use your God given intelligence. Be calm and study, pray for understanding of the Bible. I do not suggest you do anything eccept make your own choices, My wife and I moved out onto a small farm. Water runs from springs, the soil is good. We made our move in faith.
    We may not escape these things that are to come upon us, but at least we can try to help our, children by giving them a place of peace and showing faith in our preparedness to move, believing that the prophecies are sure and true and acting upon that beleif.
    Our children have a place to come to.
    It may give us a little more time!

    It took faith to act whilst the times were good and financially prosperous.
    We knew it would be difficult if not impossible to do this should everything go down!

    Me Wife and I understand that Love is the strongest and most powerful force, study, use whatever means you can to warn as many as you can for this is done out of love for the welfare of others especially your loved ones.
    The power from the Holy Spirit will be given to all flesh Joel 2: 28.
    The Holy Spirit will give power to all who want it, for that convincing, convicting converting message.
    Luke 21:36. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    In the end? In the “time of the end” it comes down to faith, active faith, a faith that impels us o look after others in truth.


    Prophecy Countdown.
    Ps I will post Revelation as soon as I can.
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    Chapter 1

    A revealing of things that must come to pass.
    The apocalyptic, Eschatological, end which leads to a new beginning for those that believe on His name.

    Revelation 1: 1.The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

    P.C…. John the last Apostle of Jesus, was alone in prison on Patmos. We are told that if we keep these prophecy messages in mind we will be blessed.

    Revelation 1: 3. Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    P. C. Jesus speaks to the seven churches through John.

    Revelation 1: 4.John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

    P. C. Jesus was the first to suffer the second death therefore is the first to be resurrected to life from the permanent “second death.”

    Revelation 1: 5. And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    P. C. The price was paid the ransom met and we are cleansed of sin with His blood because He loved us.

    P. C. The following promises to God’s people, are to be met fully at “the time of the end.”

    Revelation 1: 6. And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    P. C. The great advent will be seen by every eye and even the soldiers that pierced Him. People are going to wail even so let it be so.

    Revelation 1: 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    Jesus the almighty, gave it up to become the second Adam, the son of Adam and the son of David to claim back our world for us as a man. He gains it all back in court to be given honour glory and is found worthy to open the book and receive the title to the earth, the Kingdom. Then hands it back to us.

    Revelation 1: 8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    Revelation 1: 9. I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    P.C. Prophecy, “the testimony of Jesus” is the most resisted. Folk with only half the story with preconceived ideas blind their own minds to an open and fair appraisal’ Unable to read what the Bible says they even ad words to suit their beliefs rather than read what the Bible says The messenger then uses the Book to pint out their clear misunderstandings and corrects them using the Bible. The attacks then become personal against the messenger.

    As we go through this study we will see the clear correlation between other Old Testament writers and Revelation, which is over 90% borrowed from the rest of the Bible.

    Revelation 1: 10. I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Revelation 1: 11. Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

    Revelation 1: 12. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
    Revelation 1: 13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

    Revelation 1: 14. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

    Revelation 1: 15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

    Revelation 1: 16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

    Revelation 1: 17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

    Revelation 1: 18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    Revelation 1: 19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
    Revelation 1: 20. The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
    Prophecy Countdown, As you no doubt know the Lord spoke to John directly. John was the last Prophet of the Bible and as such is told everything that is to come upon this old Earth.
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    Chapter 2

    The Lord directs John to write the words He speaks to the churches of that time. Seven stars, seven angels walk in the midst of the seven candle sticks. As messengers with the light of understanding from the hand of God.
    Rev 2: 1. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

    There were baggage problems with some joining the church. They were questioned and many were found to be mendacious.

    Rev 2: 2. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

    Rev 2: 3. And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

    It is difficult for mortals to continually labour for truth, without tiring and wanting to rest.
    Even today, I have seen many take upon themselves the banner of the protectors of the name of Jesus on their shoulders and woe betide any person with a greater understanding or differing opinion.
    I know men who stay with the traditions of men and speak the easy to listen to words that are familiar for the love of peace. If they do this it simply means they disqualify themselves from that light of a deeper understanding as did the church of Ephesus.
    She left her first love. The love of truth.
    There is no such thing as “new truth!”
    Only a deeper understanding of what is already written.
    Rev 2: 4. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

    I have placed my Bible in front of many and they still refuse to see or they will read with preconceived ideas and block out the words from the Book.
    It is difficult to pin them down. When you answer them with Bible evidence they drop that controversy then switch to another.
    As an example, when studying the Book of Daniel some see the prophecies as being partially fulfilled from 457 to 1844. Yet the words spoken to Daniel by the messengers, states several times! “Understand the vision concerns the time of the end.”
    Seal up the Book until the “time of the end.”
    In plain English, Nobody will understand the book of Daniel until “the time of the end” and the fulfillment of these prophecies will be at “the time of the end.
    Yet some still argue? That “it is a done deal.”
    If the understanding of Daniel is to occur at “the time of the end,” how can folk back some 150 years ago have been given understanding of “the time of the end” prophecies as claimed by one particular church?
    The timing is off.
    The parallels and patterns confirming Michael as being Jesus, is another prime example of the self appointed defenders of Jesus’ name, not wanting to see what the Bible says.
    We are surface readers, when coming with our own biased ideas to the Bible.
    To try and prove their argument they literally ad their own words to the Bible to suite their contention.
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    We are told not to add or take away the words in this Book, in Rev 22: 18. This again is a prime example of how the unseeing prove to fair minded folk, of their blind position by being disobedient to the warnings stated so clearly in Rev 22: 18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    There are some that handle the problem by just ignoring the subject argument, not wanting to tread near that area. I did the same thing for awhile then I asked myself.
    Is this being luke warm cold or hot?
    Study with an open mind then reject or accept it, but at least do the work.
    Do it with an open mind without attacking the messenger, otherwise no one would go forward in understanding.
    If I had listened to my old church, Daniel would still have been a mysterious tangle of added words and inconsistencies in my mind.
    We may not understand all of Daniel, but is that not as it should be until “the time of the end?”

    Rev 2: 5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent

    The church of Ephesus.
    was told to “repent” and go back to what they did in the beginning.
    This was no idle warning. The terms were repent or lose the light of understanding.

    Rev 2: 6. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

    Ephesus hated the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which was something that the Lord Hated also. So I guess they were on par to that extent but they couldn’t rest or relax their vigilance for a moment.

    These were serious warnings to those churches, at that time.

    Again and again the Lord always pleads, listen to what the messenger is saying and if you accept, then I will give you fruit from the tree of life , which we know is in the city of God, the New Jerusalem.
    Rev 22: 1. And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev 22: 2. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Rev 2: 7. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

    Each of the churches from different locations had their good points and like the good seed grew.

    Eyes can close and further understanding can stop.
    Teachers of false doctrine could have gained positions that they were unfit to hold.
    What happens if the opposite occurs?
    All churches of today have their rules and immediately it restricts their members to conformity to the unchangable edicts.
    I have seen a good man having been removed from a church on the teachings of the churches own prophet’s writings, yet the man being removed was in complete harmony with the Bible, not once was the Bible used to excommunicate him.
    To be a member of that church you had to accept their own prophet’s writings.
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    Yet that same church speaks of the Bible and the Bible only as being their guide?
    So what of others in that church who are reliant on a ministers wage what do they do?

    Isaiah 30: 10. Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits.
    That is the best way to disqualify yourself and remove yourself from the light.
    What I’m trying to say is that the message given to the churches back then have a profound message to us in these times.

    Jesus, who was dead and now lives speaks to the church Smyrna.

    Rev 2: 8. And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
    Rev 2: 9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    Smyrna, with deep understanding.

    The church was rich in bible comprehension.
    The Devil sees knowledge as a threat to his plans and uses all at his disposal to stifle truth in men. Earthly truth messengers suffer poverty and tribulation. The members of Smyrna were rich in the word and in this, lay their strength.
    So many without understanding are going to fall into the trap of Satan.
    Satan will try to get away with a poor imitation of the advent of the Lamb, by being the lamb that speaks like a dragon.
    Would this be possible if we were armed with the Knowledge of the Book?

    Rev 2: 10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    The church of Smyrna was poor materialistically, but rich in understanding. Her gaining and holding onto, and seeking the understanding of the Bible, was of such importance.

    2 Timothy 2: 15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Rev 2: 11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    Rev 2: 12. And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

    Again another church, Pergamos was right in the thick of the doctrine of Balaam.
    Antipas was a church member who was martyred in the Lords name a man who overcame the fear of death for the sake of truth. A man that lost his life to save it.
    Satan was right there in that place, yet this man still held on in the name of the Lord.

    Rev 2: 13. I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
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    The doctrine of Balaam was right there, in the church of Pergamos who taught Balac that was a stumbling in every way against Israel.

    Balaam (B.C. 1452), the son of Beor, a man endowed with the gift of prophecy. Num22: 5.
    He is mentioned in conjunction with five kings of Midian, apparently as a person of the same rank. Num 31: 8; 31: 16.
    He seems to have lived at Pethor, Deut 23: 4; Num 22: 5, on the river Euphrates, in Mesopotamia.
    Such was his reputation that when the Israelites were encamped in the plains of Moab, Balak, the king of Moab, sent for Balaam to curse them.
    Balaam at first was prohibited by God from going.
    He was again sent for by the king and again refused, but at length was allowed to go.
    He yielded to the temptations of riches and honour which Balak set before him; yet God’s anger was kindled at this manifestation of determined self will, and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary against him.
    See 2 Peter. 2: 15, 16.
    Balaam predicted a magnificent career for the people whom he was called to curse, but he nevertheless suggested to the Moabites the expedient of seducing them to commit fornication .
    The effect of this is recorded in Num 25.
    A battle afterwards fought against the Midianites, in which Balaam sided with them, and was slain by the sword of the people whom he had endeavored to curse. Num 31: 8.

    Rev 2: 14. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

    The Church of Pergamos was compared to the church of the Nicolaitans.
    What, was going on with these churches? In such a short time they were already having problems with doctrine.

    lessons they should have heeded by studying the scrolls.
    History can repeat itself and of Balaam’s works?
    This should have been a warning to them.

    Rev 2: 15. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

    Jesus makes it quite clear to the church of Pergamos, that these practices are not tolerated by Him and when HE says “I will come unto thee quickly with the sword of my mouth.” It is no idle threat.

    Revelation 19: 21. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

    The above “remnant” or group were also mentioned by Daniel.

    Daniel 7: 11. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. Daniel 7: 12. As concerning rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet THEIR LIVES WERE PROLONGED FOR A SEASON AND TIME.
    Daniel 7: 13. I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the SON OF MAN came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the ANCIENT OF DAYS, and they brought HIM near before HIM.
    Daniel 7: 14. And there was given HIM dominion, and glory, and a KINGDOM, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve HIM: HIS dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and HIS kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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    Rev 2: 16. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

    Ezekiel 33: 11. As surely as I live, says the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of wicked people. I only want them to turn from their wicked ways so they can live. Turn! Turn from your wickedness, O people of Israel! Why should you die?

    Rev 2: 17. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

    In plain English they were told , If they have an ear, then Listen!
    That’s if they want to listen in the first place.

    I look for patterns and parallels when reading the Bible.
    I know by the following description that I have met
    the Son of God before as He appeared to Daniel.
    The description of Him is so similar.

    Daniel 10: 5. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his EYES AS LAMPS OF FIRE, and his arms and his FEET like in colour to POLISHED BRASS, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

    Parallels and patterns.

    Rev 2: 18. And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the SON OF GOD, who hath his EYES like unto a FLAME OF FIRE, and his feet are like FINE BRASS;

    As you know, the Angels Gabriel, Palmini and our Lord spoke to Daniel and many others in different forms. Our Lord appeared also unto John, when John was in prison.

    Now back to the church of Pergamos, Charity, service, and faith, Patience, works.
    Their works exceeding the others of Charity, service, and faith, Patience,

    Rev 2: 19. I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
    The problem? The influence of Jezebel.
    Jezebel, (unmarried), wife of Ahab king of Israel. She was a Phoenician princess, daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians.
    In her hands her husband became a mere puppet.
    1 Kings 21: 25. The first effect of her influence was the immediate establishment of the Phoenician worship on a grand scale in the court of Ahab.
    At her table were supported no less than 450 prophets of Baal and 400 of Astarte.
    1 Kings 16: 31, 32; 18: 19.
    The Prophets of Jehovah were attacked by her orders and put to the sword. 1 Kings 18: 13. 2 Kings 9: 7.
    At last the people, at the instigation of Elijah, rose against her ministers and slaughtered them at the foot of Carmel.
    When she found her husband cast down by his disappointment at being thwarted by Naboth, 1 Kings 21: 7, she wrote a warrant in Ahab’s name, and sealed it with his seal.
    To her and not Ahab was sent the announcement that the royal wishes were accomplished, 1 Kings 21: 14, and on her accordingly fell the prophets curse fulfilled literally by Jenu, whose chariot-horses trampled out her life. 2 Kings 9: 30-37.

    This was a real problem in those times, some women would come over to the Christian churches and reek moral havoc.
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    For this reason Paul was to mention the position of women in the churches, they were not to hold positions of leadership.
    Now a lot of folk think that Paul, was against women.
    Paul saw a way of dealing with this problem.
    Also holding a position in the Temple church meant that Paul had a little baggage.
    His solving methods regarding women would be, no problem.
    Unfair to most women? Yes of course, but when we see how the Temple church had women and children come in at one door and Paul enter through another and take a look at all the other rules, you can see why Paul was leaning a bit.
    I repeat, Paul had historical baggage, as a Jew ranked in the Jewish Temple, the rules and rituals he grew up with were stern.
    This alone should make us realise why Paul was so blunt and to the point when it came to women standing and holding positions in the church.
    However they did have problems with women like Jezebel in the past and Paul tried to fix it in the best way he knew.

    Rev 2: 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

    Rev 2: 21. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.

    Rev 2: 22. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

    Rev 2: 23. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Rev 2: 24. But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

    Rev 2: 25. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

    Rev 2: 26. And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
    Rev 2: 27. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

    Rev 2: 28. And I will give him the morning star.

    Rev 2: 29. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


    Your Brother servant in Jesus.
  20. Prophecy Countdown

    Prophecy Countdown Senior Member

    I see most of the Bible as Prophetic and as such will sometimes lurch into our time and make comparisons. The church of Sardis, is what I see as, the living dead.
    I see a repeat of this problem through history.
    I’m not judging any church but am simply stating the facts.
    Ask the question today. Are you a Christian? And you will get a denomination.
    We as humans tend to cling to an organisation for security.
    The only problem is, they have set rules and the moment you have the rules of men you have control over the thinking process.
    Put what the Book says first and you will have a few problems with the man made rules. I am guessing but I would venture to say, that there are churches today like Sardis with a few that follow the Bible only, to which the door is open.

    Revelation 3: 1. And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

    The church of Sardis had to strengthen the little that was left, or it would die. Understanding the scriptures is strength. How could they remain loyal to the written word if the understanding of it was almost gone?

    Revelation 3: 2. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

    The church had to be reminded not to forget the vital importance of repentance. They were also told “to watch.”

    Those that understand, repent and anticipate His coming and keep watch, it is the natural progression of faith. I have found that repentance and watching with anticipation of His coming reinforces and spurs others. You and I know that if we knew He was coming tomorrow, we sure would act differently, right now! We would go down on our knees pleading for the forgiveness of sin.

    Revelation 3: 3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

    So many yet so “few names” left over in truth. Over the years they had remembered the purity of the word. The Bible had been misunderstood, and the teachings had become polluted, so that the clear living waters of “repentance,” waiting and “watching” for His return through the prophetic word of prophecy was muddied, many wanted to drink but could not. This was and is a real problem which the outpouring of the Holy Spirit will need to and will solve today.

    Revelation 3: 4. Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are WORTHY.
    To become worthy is to what?

    2 Timothy 2:15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    To overcome is to do What?
    We can only overcome through “repentance” through His name. We have sinned and the wages of sin is death, so we are dying. Nothing we do of ourselves can save us.
    We are standing ( metaphorically) at the 12th hour the 10th day of the seventh month of the 7th year Passover and at the Jubilee year, these were the dates, times when Israel was rescued. We are that close to “the end of time.” We need to be rescued as war looms ever closer.
    He will have to lift us up, we can’t run North South East or West we can only be lifted.
    “He will confess our names to His Father and His angels,” to save us from ourselves because we are, simply put, in such a hopeless mess down here.
    We can only overcome by Jesus standing in for us at our execution as the Lamb, then pleading our name to the Father as our sin bearer and Redeemer.

    Revelation 3: 5. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    We can only understand through the gentle whisperings of the Bible, above the loud noise of the teachings of men.

    As impossible as that seems, it can be done with a contrite heart of repentance. Just calmly read and listen to what the Bible says, with an open mind and it will move you to tears. The character of Jesus does exactly that to an open heart and repentance follows.
    As we get to know Him we get to love Him, that is a fact
    Revelation 3: 6. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

    The Lord opens and closes the door of hope which no human can close against another fellow.
    Humans are so quick to place themselves in the position of judging, yet that is where our Lord and the Father sit, on the judgment seat. I thank the Lord that He does not allow humans to hold the key to that door, as nobody would pass through.

    Revelation 3: 7. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

    Strength in faith no matter how weak, is strong, if held in truth which is in His word. That is enough for our caring Lord to open the door and let us in.

    Revelation 3: 8. I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

    There is a trend in some churches in claiming themselves to be the “new Israel” or the “chosen” or the “144 thousand.”
    We are Gentiles not Jews. Jews make up the 144 thousand. Gentiles will go into Jerusalem to keep the peace, But, the claiming to be the chosen of God as the “new Israel” is offensive to God.

    Revelation 3: 9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
    In their Gentile zeal to work out the worlds problems the “rightly minded” for all the “right reasons” will take over Israel and Jerusalem.

    Revelation 11: 2. But the court which is without the Temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    As I stated earlier These writings are prophetic in nature yet held a message for the churches back then.
    We are going to be sorely tested by false teachings so that if it were possible to deceive the very elect.
    How is it that the Book can be so misconstrued?
    If the very “elect” if it were possible may be deceived what about my family and me or my friends?

    Revelation 3: 10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    Revelation 3: 11. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

    I think if we keep looking searching in the Book and hang on to the truth we may be blessed with His gift of everlasting life.

    Selfish of me do you think?
    Too right it is because I don’t fancy the alternatives of the hatreds of Satan!
    We are not Satan’s!
    If Jesus loses us it will break His and our Father’s heart.
    For that reason and that reason alone, we can’t let Him down.
    We are going to know Jesus and the Father so well, on a bases that we can’t yet imagine

    Revelation 3: 12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

    Revelation 3: 13. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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