U.S. Babylon in Prophecy ?

7891bConqueror QUOTE.

Read Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didest weaken the nations!"

It says Lucifer fell, not Satan. This verse is about the first fall, when Lucifer fell, and became Satan.
Satan will fall again, unto the Earth, in the great
tribulation.

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Greetings 7891bConqueror
That is an excellent point, wish I had thought of it.

Thank you and
God bless you.
PC.

I think that Babylon refers to the literal city in Iraq.

7891b said:

Okay, let's settle this. Satan fell once before, and he will fall again. How can Revelation 12 be historical, if it says Satan? Lucifer fell before the
fall of man. Lucifer became Satan after he fell. It
would be historical if it said Lucifer fell.

Read Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didest weaken the nations!"
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This is why Revelation 12 is historical in ADDITION TO THE FIRST FALL .

Job 1:6-7 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered
the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up
and down in it.

SATAN LEFT HEAVEN ... and came back to Heaven
Job 1:12 So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Came back
Job 2: Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before
the LORD.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan
answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from
walking up and down in it.

left

Came back and fell again

Ah!!!!!! there is something to consider here and that is that the term "Satan" is a title not a name. Lucifer is the Name Satan is the Title.

Satan means "adversary ".

So one could see that all the fallen Angels are Satan. Because they went against God and are against mankind.

Just The Facts

Just The Facts said:

Ah!!!!!! there is something to consider here and that is that the term "Satan" is a title not a name. Lucifer is the Name Satan is the Title.

Satan means "adversary ".

So one could see that all the fallen Angels are Satan. Because they went against God and are against mankind.

Just The Facts

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God is clear about who he singles out as Satan... not a multitude


Revelation 20:1
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

The fallen angels are not referred to as Satan in the text in Genesis 6.

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America IS Babylon !!!

Look at the Post:
Coming Russian Nuclear Sneak Attack on America !!!! (bible prophecy)
http://www.christianforums.com/t52369

America is Babylon:
(coming Russian sneak attack on the US)

http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/ambabmes.htm

http://www.gvtc.com/~jsearcy/AmBabKJ1.ra

http://www.gvtc.com/~jsearcy/AmBabKJ2.ra

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HABAKKUK AND THE IRAQ WAR - THE REAL PLAN BECOMES KNOWN

http://www.truinsight.com/BEST INTELLIGENCE REVIEW - MARCH.htm

http://www.markswatson.com/Audio.html

The Hababbuk War – An Interview with Stewart Best and a Prophetic look at America's Adventure In Iraq. (Actual interview starts after about 5 minutes)

http://www.markswatson.com/Habwar.mp3

http://www.markswatson.com/Habwar2.mp3
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America is Babylon:

http://members.surfeu.fi/archives5/IS AMERICA BAB ONE.htm

http://chansen.tzo.com/Subjects/MoneyBanking/Articles/IsAmericaBabylon/666USAGreatSeal.html

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America is the spiritual Babylon of the Last Days !!!

America is the GREAT MOTHER harlot OF BABYLON of the Book of Revelation !!!

Eccl 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Before the word continent was added to the English vocabulary, the word mountain also defined a continent. There are 7 continents on earth. There are 7 seas. The Lord's number 7 may be found on many things.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

We have really chosen an excellent symbol for this nation, the Statue of Liberty. The 7 horns on Lady Liberty's crown, represent the 7 continents and the 7 seas.
The Statue of Liberty is not an original symbol. It goes all the way back to the mystery religions of Babylon, to the godess Isis, queen of Babylon, to the godess Libertos, godess of Liberty, and the godess of Reason.

America has the spirit of Egypt. The truth about the Statue of Liberty, the world's largest idol, needs to be told

The Statue of Liberty's designer, French Freemason, Frederick August Bertoldi, once boasted that his creation would last as long as the Pyramids of the Nile.
The seven spikes of Liberty's crown represent the seven
continents and seven seas of the world. This was a Freemason project, linked
to the builders of the Pyramids. Freemasons designed the dollar bill.
Freemasons planned the Washington monument and laid out the whole city of
Washington in Luciferian, occult symbols.
The Luciferian Masonic symbols are
what the Statue of Liberty is really all about.

To see the fruits of true Illuminism, what the antichrist mystery religions
of Lucifer, are all about, look at the French Revolution. Illuminism is what
drove the French Revolution. That is what Illuminism is, antichristian
doctrine, and a reign of terror. The guillotine took many thousands of lives
in this bloody antichrist Luciferian mystery religion revolution. The
unbridled killing and terror is what Illuminism is really all about. Jesus
told us clearly that Lucifer, Satan, the devil, comes only to steal, kill,
and destroy.

The French Revolution culminated in an event where they desecrated Notre
Dame cathedral. They enthroned a half naked prostitute on the high altar,
and crowned her as the goddess of reason. The torch in her hand, is the
light of Lucifer. Believe it or not, this is the origins of the Statue of
Liberty. That statue was designed and built by French Freemasons and given
as a gift to American Freemasons. It still stands as the largest Luciferian
idol in the world. It is not a nice symbol. It is a symbol of the goddess of
witchcraft, holding aloft the light of Lucifer.


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America IS Babylon

America IS Now OFFICIALLY Babylon

America IS Now OFFICIALLY the Babylon of the Book of Revelation

America IS Now OFFICIALLY the Babylon of the Last Days

1. In what modern-day country does the ancient ruins of Babylon lie ?
Answer: Iraq

2. Who is now the Official Government of the country of Iraq ?
Answer: the united states of America

3. 2 + 2 = ?
Answer: 4

Conclusion: America is now OFFICIALLY the Babylon spoken of in the Book of Revelation.

America is now OFFICIALLY the Babylon of the Last Days.

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(the rest (other) urls went through just fine)

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1. Babylon, the Empire (The Great Nation is the world) – see Isa 13:11-13 – much bigger than the U.S.
2. Babylon, the Capital City is New York, the center of the U.N. – Washington is the U.S.
3. The U.N. once again ---- The U.S. is in Washington, not New York
4. New York
5. New York
6. New York – via the U.N.

Babylon the Nation
1. The U.N. is younger than the U.S.
2. The U.N. is over the nations
3. The U.N. – Isa 47:6b “I gave them into your hand” The U.N. created Israel
4. In reference to the capital, not the nation(Jer. 50:23)
5. New York with statue of Liberty
6. Praise of the Earth… Certainly not the U.S. --- More the U.N.
7. Jer 51:44 – The U.N. and New York -- The nations will no longer STREAM to him.

Etc, etc…..

I believe many of these can hold true MORE SO to the U.N. (as the Babylonian EMPIRE) and New York City (as the Babylonian CAPITAL CITY), than to the U.S. (as the Empire) and New York (as the Capital).

To focus on the U.S. (as the Empire) would basically split the prophecies concerning its CAPITAL into TWO cities and NOT ONE…. Washington, D.C. and New York….. New York fulfills much of the needs of the prophecies, but the seat of government decisions for the U.S. is in Washington, D.C….

I still believe you need to look at the WORLD as the babylonian empire and New York City as its capital. The fact that the U.N. is in New York City, that has a port and is the center of world trade and economics should be the most obvious clue that the U.N., with its ark of hope, is more a target for fulfillment that the U.S.... Or, at least the quartet, more so than the U.S., because it is soley and directly involved with the Israeli situation.

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ignored

before or after the aliens invade?

vinsight4u said:

Iraq

Iraq is the end-time Babylon
just the same place that Babylon has always been.

Iraq will attack Israel!

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Could be.... But, I am leaning toward the quartet and ITS plans to BRING peace to Israel.

IMO, Babylon, the Empire is the members of the U.N. Babylon, the capital of this empire, is New York -- the seat of Babylon, the empire.

The 1st Beast of Revelation is the quartet, with the U.N. (leopard) as its body. The body (The U.N.) is the weakest part of a beast, therefore, this beast needs feet with claws (Russia), a head with horns and sharp teeth (The E.U.), and a forceful mouth (The U.S.).

Jerusalem will be trampled by the quartet in the future, IMO, for 42 months.

The rapture may occur.

The vials will be poured out.

New York City will be destroyed by God's judgement.

Most peoples of the earth will

Few will

Christ will return.

The end.... Or, should I say, the beginning for faithful Christians.

Iraq is NOT the end time Babylon of the Book of Revelation

Iraq was a 3rd world country before the US invaded it

Iraq was an insignificant third world country before the US invaded it

an insignificant third world country like Guatemala

saying that Iraq is the end times babylon is like saying that Guatemala could be babylon

and anyway Right now the Official Government of Iraq IS America

It doesn't matter if Saddam did not surrender or did surrender or will or will not surrender

It does not matter if Saddam is even dead or alive

the US Govt. is RIGHT NOW THE OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT OF IRAQ

cbk said:

Could be.... But, I am leaning toward the quartet and ITS plans to BRING peace to Israel.

IMO, Babylon, the Empire is the members of the U.N. Babylon, the capital of this empire, is New York -- the seat of Babylon, the empire.

The 1st Beast of Revelation is the quartet, with the U.N. (leopard) as its body. The body (The U.N.) is the weakest part of a beast, therefore, this beast needs feet with claws (Russia), a head with horns and sharp teeth (The E.U.), and a forceful mouth (The U.S.).

Jerusalem will be trampled by the quartet in the future, IMO, for 42 months.

The rapture may occur.

The vials will be poured out.

New York City will be destroyed by God's judgement.

Most peoples of the earth will

Few will

Christ will return.

The end.... Or, should I say, the beginning for faithful Christians.

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I wonder whether we can foretell the sequence in which things will happen.

I get the feeling it would be one step at a time, not really knowing the literal

unfolding of events until certain issues suddenly come up with subsequent

re-interpretation and so on.

Atkin: you ar 100% correct about that

I know for certain that America IS Babylon but many of the details are a Mystery to us all and will only be revelaed when the time is right

Jet Black wrote (#93)
"before or after the aliens invade?"

Now now Jet! Don't poke them, you know they get cranky!
tulc

tulc said:

Jet Black wrote (#93)
"before or after the aliens invade?"

Now now Jet! Don't poke them, you know they get cranky!
tulc

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heh, sorry. as soon as I saw this site http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ I lost the ability to take anything anyone says here seriously. maybe I should just go back to lurking.

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