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Featured Truth and Deceptions

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Jess347, Nov 25, 2020.

  1. Aaron_Bethlhm

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    Death is still the penalty for sin. Did you believe that changed ?
     
  2. section9+1

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    In the NT God is reconciled to the world. He is not in opposition to it though it remains in opposition to him. He's still the same God and he never changes. Only now we can have a new relationship with this unchanged OT God because of our mediator, Christ.
    And the bible is true and honest.
     
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  3. Maria Billingsley

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    The only Spiritual penalty now is suffering the "second death".
     
  4. bèlla

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    Religion and politics have historically proven to be useful tools for controlling the masses. Do I put it pass anyone to diddle with the bible? Of course not. That’s the first thing they’d touch since none would suspect it.

    Some would decry, God would never permit it. I’d remind them of the litany of horrors that exist and ask them to revisit that statement.

    Does it change the reality of God and His majesty? No. Do I place my trust in human agents? Never.

    Yours in His Service,

    ~bella
     
  5. aiki

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    I think I've got good reason to think the Bible is true.

    Interesting. I don't see the sharp difference between the God of the OT and the God of the NT that you seem to. God is operating with humans under a different dynamic in the OT than that of the NT, but the God of the former is definitely the God of the latter.
     
  6. Blade

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    Bless you.. I hear ya. Almost seem like two different Gods. Yet Christ you see in the NT that only did only spoke what the Father said.. is the same. Faith.. know He is with you IN YOU. Ask the sweet sweet holy Spirit to open your eyes. Then KNOW He heard you. Know He will open your eyes.. what ever you ask the Father in JESUS name He will do it. You will see your Father like you never have before.

    What will be shocking is.. its in plain sight. Oh lies worked into the religion yes and the bible? No
     
  7. Yarddog

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    I believe that the Bible is truth. It may or may not be literal fact but it is truth.
     
  8. chilehed

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    Depending on what you mean: no.

    It's pretty clear that the answer to that is also no. For example, it doesn't have any math derivations or describe the Ideal Gas Law, and you'll have no luck using it to learn anything about organic chemistry or nuclear physics.
     
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  9. fm107

    fm107 Psalm 19:1-4 and Romans 1:20

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    You'll not find any lies in the Bible but the Bible does record lies, rape, murder, etc. This in itself is a testament that it is a true record.

    Satan has however worked lies into Christendom and that through evil men, e.g. the lie of purgatory, praying to saints, the worship of Mary, a pope, etc - these things are believed and practiced in Catholicism but they are in contradiction to the Bible. The Bible is the acid test of which all that we believe and practice should be tested against. Sadly much of christendom has failed to follow what the Bible says. Christians are sad failures at following the Bible. The Bible never the less is totally true and dependable.

    Rather than finding contradictions, I find a harmony between the old and new testaments.

    The Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New Testament.

    God's character is unchanging and He demands holiness in His people - both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament.

    God's dealings with man are different in the Old Testament compared to the New Testament. The Old Testament is like a series of trials that God puts man through:

    Man in innocence (Adam and Eve) - result = fail
    Man under government (Noah) - result = fail
    Man under promise (Abraham) - result = fail
    Man under the law (Moses) - result = fail

    God proves that man is totally incapable of meeting God's standards, under all these various conditions aimed at helping man. So then finally, God sent forth His Son (in accordance with His eternal plan). We come to realise none of us can obtain eternal life by meeting God's standards - all have sinned and even under all these conditions, we still fail miserably. We have inherited the fallen sinful nature from the federal head of the human race (Adam) - sinning comes natural to us. No one needs to teach a child how to lie, it comes naturally. But thankfully, at just the right time, Christ came, He has done the work and we can enter into the benefit of it and gain eternal life simply by believing, recognising that we can do nothing in ourselves to inherit eternal life.

    God also used the time leading to Christ to reveal more and more about Himself.

    Are you referring to where God commands the Israelites to wipe out the canaanites? God gave these wicked people 400 years to repent but they only got worse. The canaanites would sacrifice their babies to idols and done many acts of pure evil. In the end, God wiped them out but He used the Israelites as His tool for doing so.

    God is most Holy and it is well within His right to kill evil people. He even grants governments the use of the death penalty so that evil is properly punished. God grants governments the death penalty in both the old and the new testaments. We don't appreciate enough, how Holy God is and how bad sin is. In our society, sin is celebrated.

    Are you asking the differences between the swords?

    Matthew 10:34-36 the sword here is symbolic, becoming a christian will bring persecution and divisions even between believers and non believers in households. A christian is always to be peaceable but in being a christian makes one unpopular, makes one hated, scorned, so the Lord Jesus is warning us here that being the Lord's disciple brings with it conflict, persecution, etc.

    Ephesians 6:10-18 the sword here is the Bible, the word of God. That is the christians only weapon. We use it in times of trial and difficulty. The Lord used it when Satan tried to tempt Him in the wilderness, the Lord said, "it is written" then quoted scripture.

    Exodus 32:27-29 these are literal swords used to kill people. Again here, the Lord uses the Israelites as His tool to kill the rebels. (Remember, an earthly king kills rebels in his Kingdom). God was ruler over His people and had these rebels killed. There are no theocracies today.

    Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is death. God is so serious about sin, he has given mankind the death sentence. We all die because we are all sinners. This is true in both old and new testaments.

    You need to remember that in the Old Testament, God is dealing with Israel which was ruled as a theocracy. It was the nation of Israel who had agreed to be under the law and there were consequences to breaking their national laws (and blessings if they obeyed it).

    These things are recorded so we can appreciate better the holiness of God, the seriousness of sin and we can see God's provision - the animal sacrifices pointed to Christ, the sin bearer.

    But now that Christ has died, God acts in patience for whosoever will may come to Him for eternal life. 2 Peter 3:9
     
  10. ZagZig

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    I hold the bible to be the true and total inspired words of God.

    However, I hold that all religions have errors and these are the seeds of dissension among those of different Christian faiths.
     
  11. Monksailor

    Monksailor Adopted child of God. Supporter

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    Yes. That is the point I was making. The evil of men received the judgement of God.

    The sword Jesus was referring to was the sword or hate some converts would receive from their own family who rejected Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus goes on to explain that.
     
  12. concretecamper

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    How many times did Jesus mention eternal punishment?
     
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  13. d taylor

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    Then if you believe the Tanakh and the New Testament are different, what about during the Millennium reign of The Messiah. That is a very strict time of rule, God will rule the earth with an iron hand. handing out perfect swift justice. Even a person thoughts will be judged.
     
  14. d taylor

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    Do you understand your peaceful Jesus, comes back at the second coming and His cloths are dripping of blood.

    So many people are willing to only want the peaceful God and not the one who carries out perfect justice.

    Kind of like accepting parts of the Bible that they agree and rejecting (turning these areas into metaphorical soup) areas that goes against their usually scientific or historical beliefs.
     
  15. Aussie Pete

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    Lord Jesus confirmed that the Bible is the truth. I'm not about to argue with Him.
     
  16. concretecamper

    concretecamper Member of His Church

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    where?
     
  17. SANTOSO

    SANTOSO Well-Known Member

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    Hi Jess !
    Have you remembered that apostle Peter have spoken this :

    For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame.”

    Now to I who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, ”

    and, “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message–which is also what they were destined for.

    But I am a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that I may declare the praises of Him who called me out of darkness into His wonderful light.-1 Peter 2:6-9

    Therefore, Jess, be careful of the words that make you stumble and fall.

    Remember what Jesus have spoken :
    It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. -John 6:63

    Remember what apostle Paul have spoken:
    The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. -1 Corinthians 2:14

    Likewise, apostle Paul have told us :
    All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, -2 Timothy 3:16
    that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. -2 Timothy 3:17

    That means all scripture in the old and New Testament are breathed by God; in other words, the things are written in the Spirit and are spiritually discerned.
     
  18. Tone

    Tone "Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great." Supporter

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    @Jess347

    Yah bless you little sister. I really appreciate your courage to face these deep considerations that you have.

    It took me many years of heavy reading, studying and searching to be in a place where I really really really believe that I am able to stand fast in my confidence in Him and what I have heard of Him and from Him.

    Below are a couple of resources that I recommend to you:

    A Christian View of the Bible as Truth (The Complete Works of Francis A. Schaeffer, Vol. 2) Paperback – February 1, 2013
    by Francis A. Schaeffer


    And

    https://www.labriideaslibrary.org/how-to-read-the-bible


    When I experienced great vertigo, the works of Dr. Schaeffer were immeasurably helpful in my reorientation.

    May Yah continue to bless your journey.

    Shalom.


    -T1
     
  19. Aussie Pete

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    Read the gospels. Lord Jesus said "It is written" many times. He also said that God's word is truth, John 17:17.
     
  20. zoidar

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    It's a really good question, thank you! Not sure what you mean by religion, but there is certainly a lot of theological "misstakes" out there for one reason or another.

    The Bible itself is the Word of God, which has no lie within. There are certainly errors in the Bible like wrong dates and numbers etc. You can't call it lies though, for even those "errors" are the breathed Word of God.

    From looking at your posts it seems you have a problem to coincide the NT texts with the OT texts. Is this correct?
     
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