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Then it should be easy to point to specific ones.The point is, is that the policies we had were a whole, WHOLE lot better
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Then it should be easy to point to specific ones.The point is, is that the policies we had were a whole, WHOLE lot better
"border" is not a policy.Border?
Which specific policy related to the border?Border?
Unbelievable.
It is no wonder that they can't articulate what they liked because the conditioning they received from Trump is all about negative towards Biden and democrats.What I find unbelievable is that so many Trump fans are either unwilling or unable to articulate even the basics of the policies they supposedly liked that were put forward by his administration and/or the Republican party.
Cheaper under Obama, you mean? Or Carter?Gas was cheaper, food was cheaper, homes were cheaper, it was safer.
Because Republicans want to take our rights away.That is not empty nothings. Those are important things in life. Why wouldn't the working man not vote for a republican.
Yep, liberals just call us racists. Over and over. The economy under Trump. foreign relations under Trump were good Those things were the result of policies. Biden, undid those things right from the get go. So, just go ahead and keep insulting people, and then demand to answer why they vote for the other guy.The only policy you’ve mentioned is AA.
You’re claiming that Democrats abandoned you. That’s an example of a “victim mentality.”
I want specific policies because I ant to know exactly how the Dems “abandoned” you and how the Republicans appealed to you. I claimed it was all vibes and not actual policy - your posts so far have just confirmed that. If you want to argue that I’m wrong, you’ll have to show some actual Republican policies that helped you and/or some Democratic ones that hurt you.
In previous posts, you’ve mentioned the shift among certain groups from voting for Democrats to voting for Republicans - a switch, I would add, that was largely driven by racial factors and racial angst deliberately stoked by the Republican party. Here, you’re complaining about the perception of racism being foisted upon you, but the only policy you’ve mentioned is affirmative action, in response to a question for which that wasn’t an answer.
I’ve asked you to name Republican policies that appealed to you, but you just keep bringing up race. How am I to draw any conclusion from this other than that Republicans successfully appealed to you by stoking racial tensions?
No they don't. BUT, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....Yep, liberals just call us racists. Over and over.
The economy under Trump was terrible when he left. In four years America lost more jobs than it created under Trump. His economy was bad.The economy under Trump. foreign relations under Trump were good Those things were the result of policies.
Good thing too, and now the economy is in much better shape under Biden.Biden, undid those things right from the get go.
You vote for a person because of insults? That does not sound like a wise practice.So, just go ahead and keep insulting people, and then demand to answer why they vote for the other guy.
This makes little sense. What are you trying to say?Blue collar were those workers in the past. Today, immigration is about workers. Taking pride in the benefits dems worked for in the past. switched to jobs these immigrants
now work. How did these jobs become jobs Americans don't want, or won't do. It might be true, but it was not in the past. What happened to cause the change?
Yep, liberals just call us racists. Over and over. The economy under Trump. foreign relations under Trump were good Those things were the result of policies. Biden, undid those things right from the get go. So, just go ahead and keep insulting people, and then demand to answer why they vote for the other guy.
Blue collar were those workers in the past. Today, immigration is about workers. Taking pride in the benefits dems worked for in the past. switched to jobs these immigrants
now work. How did these jobs become jobs Americans don't want, or won't do. It might be true, but it was not in the past. What happened to cause the change?
LOLNo they don't. BUT, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
Yep, liberals just call us racists. Over and over.
That's not a policy. It's also 24 years after the start of the Clinton era when you said you first started looking at Republicans.The economy under Trump.
Not only is that not a policy, it's also not true. He was a global laughing stock who frequently agitated our allies. He tore up a treaty with Iran that's allowed them to grow their stockpile of enriched uranium. About the only people who liked him were other autocrats.foreign relations under Trump were good
Which policies?Those things were the result of policies.
Biden, undid those things right from the get go.
So, just go ahead and keep insulting people, and then demand to answer why they vote for the other guy.
A number of things happened: college education typically brings with it more lifetime earnings and, like-it-or-not, our society often (though not always) correlates money with status and prestige, er go jobs that required college became "better" jobs where all the "smart," "talented" kids went. College access has been opened up, so more people take advantage of it.How did these jobs become jobs Americans don't want, or won't do. It might be true, but it was not in the past. What happened to cause the change?
Yep, liberals just call us racists.
That's not a policy, but that's closer to answering the question of what Dems did to repel you than anything so far.
That's not a policy. It's also 24 years after the start of the Clinton era when you said you first started looking at Republicans.
Look at the conflict in the world. Wars. They did not do those Things under Trump. And this just shifts the point of what I spoke about. But you want to shift from it. I don't.Not only is that not a policy, it's also not true. He was a global laughing stock who frequently agitated our allies. He tore up a treaty with Iran that's allowed them to grow their stockpile of enriched uranium. About the only people who liked him were other autocrats.
Here is where the shift in what I said and where you are taking this...Which policies?
Which ones did Biden undo?
I've already conceded that Republicans did a better job of appealing to the feelings of certain groups of people. I don't deny that. My contention was that Dems didn't abandon them in their policies.
A number of things happened: college education typically brings with it more lifetime earnings and, like-it-or-not, our society often (though not always) correlates money with status and prestige, er go jobs that required college became "better" jobs where all the "smart," "talented" kids went. College access has been opened up, so more people take advantage of it.
Some of the jobs were sent overseas or to other states with cheaper labor and weaker protections. Some of them were automated away. Over time, people also realized that it's advantageous to pursue a more lucrative career in an air-conditioned office that you can work until you're 70 instead of a low-paying job in a factory or on a construction site that will destroy your body before you're 55.
Well, from my point of view, many don't try to be careful. I don't consider it careful, I just consider it rude and arrogant. I am just being honest. Today, especially right now, we are lower than low called things we are not, to appeal to the feelings of their groups.I really don't like the lack of status that comes with these jobs and how easy it is to look down on the people filling them. That genuinely bothers me and I try to be careful with my language when talking about labor matters so as to not convey any sort of condescension regarding a person's job or wealth. But at the same time, it's hard to deny the fact that these jobs often don't pay well and that management often subjects those workers to conditions that white collar workers would never tolerate.
Do I need to give a registered policy# for you to recognize there is a massive problem at the border that no administration has ever had?What I find unbelievable is that so many Trump fans are either unwilling or unable to articulate even the basics of the policies they supposedly liked that were put forward by his administration and/or the Republican party.
whomever their favorite media personality is used to be Tucker Carlson for very many I think, and after he got booted, now that person that had sent me emails about Carlson (I shot down a few falsehoods in those, but he kept sending them) now sends about the Fox talk show group "The Five" instead, so Tucker got replaced with the Five for some number, and so I think mostly that support even in the Christians nationalist groups might have come a lot (or if 2nd hand through another person) originating in secular talk shows that have no pretense at all of being religious. Like someone hears another invention from Carlson et al., and then repeats it to other people, etc. But that someone repeating the made up stuff was Trump a lot we know.I think part of the problem is that a lot of them are, essentially, just taking marching orders from whomever their favorite media personality is. Could be a tv/radio preacher; could be a news pundit; these days it could be a youtuber. That sounds kind of reductionist and patronizing, but I think it's largely true - or at least, they're taking their cues from folks they trust who are then taking it from media personalities. And the media personalities have learned that it's more profitable to be crazy and abandon whatever sense of decorum and propriety they used to have.
Do I need to give a registered policy# for you to recognize there is a massive problem at the border that no administration has ever had?
Nice work, Biden, and those who voted him in.
Absurd.
This is why I previously wrote . . . unbelievable.![]()
Myth vs. Truth: Dissecting the Republican narrative about the border
connolly.house.gov
MYTH: The Biden administration has ignored the border and is refusing to commit proper resources to it.
TRUTH: The idea that Democrats have ignored the situation at the border and refused to commit resources to solving it is another outright lie. In reality, the Biden-Harris administration and congressional Democrats have surged record levels of funding to the border.
The FY23 government funding package that President Biden signed into law provided Border Patrol with $7.153 billion — a 17 percent increase from the year before. Additionally, the funding package provided $65 million for 300 new Border Patrol agents, $60 million for 125 new personnel at points of entry; and $230 million for technology like autonomous surveillance towers.
House Republicans voted against this historic funding.
That would be nice - it would both give us a starting point for discussions and also demonstrate that you had some idea of what you we’re talking about.Do I need to give a registered policy# for you to recognize there is a massive problem at the border that no administration has ever had?
Nice work, Biden, and those who voted him in.
Absurd.