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Trump May boycott 2020 debates after DNC snubs Fox News

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Mountainmanbob, Mar 7, 2019.

  1. USincognito

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    Apparently, for his supporters and apologists, that number is infinite because no amount of lying will convince them that he's a liar. Seriously, you're quibbling over whether he's told hundreds of lies or thousands.
     
  2. TLK Valentine

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    But they're the lies they want to hear... what good does truth do them?
     
  3. KCfromNC

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    It wasn't the Mexican government that Donald shut down to get them to pay for his wall.

    I don't know many of these "regular folk". Who are you hanging around with?
     
  4. TLK Valentine

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    Gosh, it's almost as if we expected better from the president.

    Good thing we expect so little, instead.
     
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  5. TLK Valentine

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    True, but the net result was still the same -- failure.


    I'm sure some of them are Very Good People.
     
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  6. Albion

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    Irrelevant. There are a number of ways in which Mexico could wind up paying for the wall other than by writing us a check. Personally, I don't care one way or the other -- or even if they do pay for it -- so long as it is built.

    However, the fondness some people have for saying that the president was wrong or a liar in this matter and using it as their ace in the hole "proof" doesn't come with any specifics attached to it, if you notice. It's just a slogan with them, they enjoy saying it, and they are the only people who are impressed by it.
     
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  7. TLK Valentine

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    That's the spirit. Next thing, you'll be able to deny he ever said it in the first place.

    You're already giving him credit for stuff that got done long before he showed up, so how big a leap is it?

    Kind of like Donald's promise in the first place...
     
  8. CGB3928

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    ...PLUS his campaign leader sentenced to almost 9yrs in prison and more of his associates going to prison.

    Awful Awful record. Trump can't even take all the credit for economy because the economy was already improving under Obama.

    He did get 2 supreme court judges though. That's nothing to sneeze at. But that's about it.
     
  9. cow451

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    Like they say at the Deutsche bank: it ain’t paid for until you get the title back.
     
  10. GoldenBoy89

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    Oh, so only more than half the country....
     
  11. KCfromNC

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    Maybe, but they haven't paid a penny so far. Another failed Trump promise.

    Writes the post claiming that maybe there are ways that Mexico might possibly pay for it in the future with zero specifics mentioned. Reads a lot like projection to me.
     
  12. Albion

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    That's a good example of the meaninglessness of the popular game of claiming that the president lies all the time.

    Anyone can see that: 1) the wall has not been built yet, so it is impossible to say if Mexico will pay for it or not in any of the various ways by which she could pay. Therefore, it cannot be a lie since the promise has not had time to play out yet.

    And then 2) because it was a projection, if it goes wrong or fails to come to pass, it cannot be said that the president lied, only that he was later proven wrong. By contrast, Obama certainly did lie when he famously said that "You can keep your doctor," and we know that because he knew the contents of his proposed legislation when he was speaking and that the provisions would make his claim impossible for many people.
     
  13. cow451

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    Yes, but WhataboutObama?
     
  14. wing2000

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    :tutu:
     
  15. wing2000

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    ....I'm still waiting for the check from Iraq to pay for that little exercise.
     
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  16. Albion

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    Was Trump at fault for that too? If not, why not, if he is the cause of everything that is wrong in the world?
     
  17. wing2000

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    Nope. It's just another example of Americans falling for a (war) campaign promise that has no basis in reality.
     
  18. KCfromNC

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    Mexico has clearly stated they won't. Trump shut down the US government trying to get Americans to pay for it. He failed, and is now asking for that money in the next US budget. None of which includes any mention or plans for getting Mexico to pay for it. The people who think there's still a chance claim there are ways it might happen, but seem to be unable to enumerate a single one - maybe it is better being vague than listing a bunch of far-fetched fantasies?

    The weird part isn't that some people initially believed Trump's made up claim. The strange part is that wit all of the facts at hand, they still cling to it. And then pretend that people who see the reality of the situation are the ones making things up.
     
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  19. Albion

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    Of course the Mexican government will SAY that.

    It is to be expected, and the president was fully aware--and said so--that how and when Mexico would pay off was not yet determined, only that she would .
     
  20. cow451

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    Maybe he’ll get to that after locking up Hillary
     
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