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Trump: “I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,”

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Ever hear the term throwing out the baby with the bath water?
Thank you. I really mean that. Your's is perhaps the best argument I've come across here about keeping USAID. It doesn't deny that funds were misspent, only that it also did good as well.

A very real question is how much good verses how much waste. Like some charities who collect money for one cause but end up spending very little of it for that purpose. Amazing how much "overhead" eats up. And as long as it's not outright fraud, it's perfectly legal. At some point the rot is so far gone that the best thing is to start over from scratch.
 
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I guess its best if people taking communion aren't thinking about wow this is a great pinot noir or whatever.
LOL! My old parish used Franzia chillable Red for Communion. I know others use bottle of red wine, some even use white.

I actually drink that sometimes.
 
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LOL! My old parish used Franzia chillable Red for Communion. I know others use bottle of red wine, some even use white.

I actually drink that sometimes.
I was at an Evangelical church once and got flat strawberry Fanta and stale arrowroot biscuits. But their hearts were in the right place.
 
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I was at an Evangelical church once and got flat strawberry Fanta and stale arrowroot biscuits. But their hearts were in the right place.
Wow! That's quite interesting, to say the least. I know some use grape juice, but most liturgical Churches do not.
 
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I was at an Evangelical church once and got flat strawberry Fanta and stale arrowroot biscuits. But their hearts were in the right place.

There's the great story, perhaps apocryphal, of prisoners in Uruguay, who had communion with no elements. Perhaps a most substantial communion?

 
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Bingo:
"The amazing thing is that an average person can say that they hope they've done enough good things to get to Heaven and people think nothing of it. Trump says pretty much the same thing, and people think there's a political ulterior motive."

...for this reason:

"Taken at face value, the average person doesn't play a charade of faith in order to use those of faith to get a desired outcome."

Politics was the motivation; for Trump and the leaders of that religious voting block.
 
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“Soft-power” is a waste of money if you have the strongest military.
Apparently.
 
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I was at an Evangelical church once and got flat strawberry Fanta and stale arrowroot biscuits.
The church-discussions that led to “Fanta”, must have been entertaining.
 
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An alternative hypothesis: Trump's politics skills (such as they are) don't exist in a vacuum: context is everything. The American electorate, worn down by decades of neoliberal technical managerialism, lost faith in major social institutions after the 2008 financial crisis, which made them vulnerable to demagogues.
 
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Politics was the motivation; for Trump and the leaders of that religious voting block.
What Trump stated isn't the Christian belief on Salvation. That's the story. There's no reason to think that Trump doesn't believe what he says he believes. It fits with his demonstrated unfamiliarity with the bible. It's a belief no different from the average American non-Christian's, and just as wrong.

Quite obviously you don't believe that. Quite obviously you're not alone in that regard here in CF. So be it.
 
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Not even that complex. The American electorate got tired of lip service and no change. That was essentially what I heard from a Trump supporter in 2016. It was "We've tried everything else."
 
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