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The New Covenant began with Christ's death. But you also have to read Romans 3:25. Please read this in a couple of different translations.
I am not denying that there are not important reasons to having the Holy Spirit in our lives. But that still does not change that all men needed to be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of God. This would have included the OT saint. There are many verses that support this view. But you kind of have to study that in order to get it. You have to also first be open to it, too (In order to get it). You have to be a good Berean and search the Scriptures to see whether those things be so or not. It is not, I look at these set of verses and make an assumption about them and just claim that I am right (Without really looking at the whole counsel of the Word).
I know what that means, I don't need to read it in different translations, I rely on the Holy Spirits conviction to understand the bible.
I don't write anything off Jason, but you have to rightly divide the word. Again, I have been speaking of the new covenant.
Your refusal to except knowledge (Whether it be good or bad) does not boad well for you that you are willing to ammend your beliefs according to the Word of God. I look at Modern Translations all the time. Some times I agree with them and other times I disagree with them. The point is to at least use these tools so as to find the truth when you study God's Word. The Word does not ammend to what we want it to say.
No Jesus did not tell Nicodemus under the old covenant ye must be born again. This is how he describes someone who is born again:
I don't profess to be infallible, however, if we truly rely on the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth, rather than relying on many differing translations of the bible, we will know far than would otherwise be the case
Point one is the only one necessary to reply to. I have many times put up posts to you, only for them to be ignored. So please Jason, don't accuse others of that. So please back the following up:
Yes, Jesus died for the sins of those who lived before him as well as after
Not at all. These were not people who understood that "works" are God directed and not man directed. They were involved in man directed Works Salvationism or church traditions (of which I do not believe). But it is possible for even faithful believers to fall away from the faith. But their fall is not the gospel but it is their own desire to sin. Also, I just see more testimonials of how people have been led out of sin by denying OSAS and not agreeing with it. People have used your version of Grace and have been led down the wrong path because of it (like suicide, adultery, and killing others). It is what I like to call the Sociopathic gospel because you even said yourself that Paul is not under the moral law salvation wise but yet he keeps it on some level but yet he really doesn't because he must also be found as a sinner.
The people you have mentioned who believed in grace cannot have been born again of the spirit. But in biblical times some used grace as a licence to sin(jude4) but they couldn't have been born again either. However they did not stop the preaching of the gospel by the apostles.
