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Another thing to keep in mind is the direct statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 "There is for us only one God, the Father."
Can't get any clearer than that. To me, that over-rides any implications people see, about the Son "using a similar phrase, therefore they must be triune..."
the former is God, the latter is Lord... hmmmm.
"6yet to us [is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom [are] the all things, and we through Him;"
Do you notice the distinction? Through and Of... they ARE different.
they are one and inseparable, that's as good doctrine as any can be.
what ever meaning you gave to that oneness is as good as good as any other meaninf\gs you can derived from scriptures. learn to live with it
I have learned to live without it and love it.
openmindness is not to looked down on people who whom you think held inferior beliefs.Your closed mindedness is disheartening. "as good doctrine as any can be." Are you really that incapable of thinking of a better one?
that's a good one and very easy to relate with if i may say.How about... God is in all of His creation and we are all a part of God. We discover the Christ in us when we recognize and accept the fact that all mankind, all life, is a part of God. All of the Laws and Prophets are fulfilled when we accept that fact.
6yet(A) for us there is one God, the Father,(B) from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and(C) one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and(D) through whom we exist.
let's face it, you can;t separate jesus with god in the bible. so please don't.
I agree that there's more to the verse than part A... but B-D only repeatedly verify part A.they are one and inseparable, that's as good doctrine as any can be.
I agree that there's more to the verse than part A... but B-D only repeatedly verify part A.
There is only one God, the Father (From whom all things are and for whom we exist).
Alternatively, there is one Lord, Jesus (Not "God," but "lord") (through whom all things are and through whom we exist).
How do you get, from this scripture that they are "one and inseparable" ... when this verse is absolutely clear that -only- the Father is God... and that Jesus specifically has his own title, and his own purpose. We live -through- Jesus, but we exist -for- the one God, the Father.
your criticism towards the doctrine show that you are not.
openmindness is not to looked down on people who whom you think held inferior beliefs.
the true measure of an open mind is to tolerate them.
that's a good one and very easy to relate with if i may say.
otoh, trinity implies that god is in all. and all is in god. it is a more subtle idea because thinking that god has parts or can divided into parts is rather crude. trinity provided a conceptual framework for that (ie. all is in god rather that all is the sum/parts of god) if you would care just look. believe it or not god wanted more that you as a part of god. he seeks full union with you. can't you see. jesus christ is the prototype. you are one with god, not just a part. that is everyone's true nature. it is what divine sonship is all about. the fullness of god in you, or if you are used to think yourself as part, the expression would be "the whole in every part". this is a far as the language can take us before we start playing semantics.
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or as william blake used to say ....
to see the world in a grain of sand ,
and heaven in a wild flower,
hold infinity in the palm of your hands,
and eternity in an hour?
we came from god but not directly right?
Toleration! Ahhh that great Christian value that brought us the Inquisition, Witch burnings in Massachusetts, The Crusades, The English wars for the crown, slavery, the invasion of Iraq, discrimination against homosexuals, persecution and murder of Mormons, Native Americans, Chinese, etc etc etc
Save your nonsense for the kids looking for someone to replace Santa Claus.
this is spirit stuff and not mind stuff.Other than being theologically incoherent, this is neither Christian theology, nor mathematically possible.
the question is based on carnal mindedness.If I am more than a part of God (God is EVERYTHING) I must be EVERYTHING, too. Is that what you think? You think you are everything? You think you are God?
looking down on people regardless in not openmindness.I do not look down on people who hold inferior beliefs. I look down on those trying to peddle those inferior beliefs to others...
Wrong. From the dust of the earth HE formed them. The HE in this case is God the Creator. Unless you want to say Jesus is either the dust or God's hands...
Dust is organic material... but there couldn't have been any organic material on the 6th day.you don't really believe genesis creation account is literal. do you?
that's sunday school kid's stuff. LOL
anyway, what are dust made of?
can you think that far? my friend?
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it's like the sun and the rays of light are two different things and yet there was never a time the sun has no rays of light and the rays of light has no sun t o radiate from.
So god is in me and and I am a part of god... I got that.
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