Trinity is wrong.

[Moriel]

Another thing to keep in mind is the direct statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 "There is for us only one God, the Father."

Can't get any clearer than that. To me, that over-rides any implications people see, about the Son "using a similar phrase, therefore they must be triune..."

 

[hybrid]

Another thing to keep in mind is the direct statement at 1 Corinthians 8:6 "There is for us only one God, the Father."

Can't get any clearer than that. To me, that over-rides any implications people see, about the Son "using a similar phrase, therefore they must be triune..."

6yet(A) for us there is one God, the Father,(B) from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and(C) one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and(D) through whom we exist.

let's face it, you can;t separate jesus with god in the bible. so please don't.

 

[KCDAD]

6yet(A) for us there is one God, the Father,(B) from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and(C) one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and(D) through whom we exist.

let's face it, you can;t separate jesus with god in the bible. so please don't.

the former is God, the latter is Lord... hmmmm.

"6yet to us [is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom [are] the all things, and we through Him;"
Do you notice the distinction? Through and Of... they ARE different.

 

[hybrid]

the former is God, the latter is Lord... hmmmm.

"6yet to us [is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] the all things, and we to Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom [are] the all things, and we through Him;"
Do you notice the distinction? Through and Of... they ARE different.

they are one and inseparable, that's as good doctrine as any can be.
what ever meaning you gave to that oneness is as good as good as any other meaninf\gs you can derived from scriptures. learn to live with it

 

[hybrid]

what god has put together let no man set asunder.

any one who claimed to have christ in him, let him not separate christ oneness with god, lest you also lose hope your union with god. it is as simple as that

 

[KCDAD]

they are one and inseparable, that's as good doctrine as any can be.
what ever meaning you gave to that oneness is as good as good as any other meaninf\gs you can derived from scriptures. learn to live with it

I have learned to live without it and love it.

Your closed mindedness is disheartening. "as good doctrine as any can be." Are you really that incapable of thinking of a better one?

How about... God is in all of His creation and we are all a part of God. We discover the Christ in us when we recognize and accept the fact that all mankind, all life, is a part of God. All of the Laws and Prophets are fulfilled when we accept that fact.

 

[hybrid]

I have learned to live without it and love it.

your criticism towards the doctrine show that you are not.

Your closed mindedness is disheartening. "as good doctrine as any can be." Are you really that incapable of thinking of a better one?

openmindness is not to looked down on people who whom you think held inferior beliefs.

the true measure of an open mind is to tolerate them.

How about... God is in all of His creation and we are all a part of God. We discover the Christ in us when we recognize and accept the fact that all mankind, all life, is a part of God. All of the Laws and Prophets are fulfilled when we accept that fact.

that's a good one and very easy to relate with if i may say.
otoh, trinity implies that god is in all. and all is in god. it is a more subtle idea because thinking that god has parts or can divided into parts is rather crude. trinity provided a conceptual framework for that (ie. all is in god rather that all is the sum/parts of god) if you would care just look. believe it or not god wanted more that you as a part of god. he seeks full union with you. can't you see. jesus christ is the prototype. you are one with god, not just a part. that is everyone's true nature. it is what divine sonship is all about. the fullness of god in you, or if you are used to think yourself as part, the expression would be "the whole in every part". this is a far as the language can take us before we start playing semantics.


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[hybrid]

or as william blake used to say ....

to see the world in a grain of sand ,
and heaven in a wild flower,
hold infinity in the palm of your hands,
and eternity in an hour?”

 

[hybrid]

However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"-


to treat yourself as a mere part of god so to speak is kinda false humility, LOL

 

[Moriel]

6yet(A) for us there is one God, the Father,(B) from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and(C) one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and(D) through whom we exist.

let's face it, you can;t separate jesus with god in the bible. so please don't.

they are one and inseparable, that's as good doctrine as any can be.

I agree that there's more to the verse than part A... but B-D only repeatedly verify part A.

There is only one God, the Father (From whom all things are and for whom we exist).
Alternatively, there is one Lord, Jesus (Not "God," but "lord") (through whom all things are and through whom we exist).

How do you get, from this scripture that they are "one and inseparable" ... when this verse is absolutely clear that -only- the Father is God... and that Jesus specifically has his own title, and his own purpose. We live -through- Jesus, but we exist -for- the one God, the Father.

 

[hybrid]

I agree that there's more to the verse than part A... but B-D only repeatedly verify part A.

There is only one God, the Father (From whom all things are and for whom we exist).
Alternatively, there is one Lord, Jesus (Not "God," but "lord") (through whom all things are and through whom we exist).

How do you get, from this scripture that they are "one and inseparable" ... when this verse is absolutely clear that -only- the Father is God... and that Jesus specifically has his own title, and his own purpose. We live -through- Jesus, but we exist -for- the one God, the Father.

we came from god but not directly right?
it was "through" christ we exist.
so we owe our existence and all things to these two.
they are related. and from their relationship came the whole of creation.

their relationship is co-dependent. without the son there is no creation. for it was through him, without the father there is no creation, for it was from him. it's like the sun and the rays of light are two different things and yet there was never a time the sun has no rays of light and the rays of light has no sun t o radiate from.

though, you need to be a little thoughtful to "get it" the inseparability of the two, i admit but yup jesus said it, the father and i are one. it wasn't a philosophical neither a mathematical statement nor a mere figure of speech to figure out by the mind. it was spiritual stuff through and through, they are one. why can't you just take jesus word for it?

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[KCDAD]

your criticism towards the doctrine show that you are not.

openmindness is not to looked down on people who whom you think held inferior beliefs.

the true measure of an open mind is to tolerate them.

that's a good one and very easy to relate with if i may say.
otoh, trinity implies that god is in all. and all is in god. it is a more subtle idea because thinking that god has parts or can divided into parts is rather crude. trinity provided a conceptual framework for that (ie. all is in god rather that all is the sum/parts of god) if you would care just look. believe it or not god wanted more that you as a part of god. he seeks full union with you. can't you see. jesus christ is the prototype. you are one with god, not just a part. that is everyone's true nature. it is what divine sonship is all about. the fullness of god in you, or if you are used to think yourself as part, the expression would be "the whole in every part". this is a far as the language can take us before we start playing semantics.


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Toleration! Ahhh that great Christian value that brought us the Inquisition, Witch burnings in Massachusetts, The Crusades, The English wars for the crown, slavery, the invasion of Iraq, discrimination against homosexuals, persecution and murder of Mormons, Native Americans, Chinese, etc etc etc

Save your nonsense for the kids looking for someone to replace Santa Claus.

"believe it or not god wanted more that you as a part of god. he seeks full union with you."
Other than being theologically incoherent, this is neither Christian theology, nor mathematically possible. If I am more than a part of God (God is EVERYTHING) I must be EVERYTHING, too. Is that what you think? You think you are everything? You think you are God?

I do not look down on people who hold inferior beliefs. I look down on those trying to peddle those inferior beliefs to others...

 

[KCDAD]

or as william blake used to say ....

to see the world in a grain of sand ,
and heaven in a wild flower,
hold infinity in the palm of your hands,
and eternity in an hour?”

Better murder an infant in its cradle than nurse an unacted desire.
William Blake
Do what you will, this world's a fiction and is made up of contradiction.
William Blake
Active Evil is better than Passive Good.
William Blake
For everything that lives is holy, life delights in life.
William Blake
Every harlot was a virgin once.
William Blake
Christ's crucifix shall be made an excuse for executing criminals.
William Blake
Prisons are built with stones of Law. Brothels with the bricks of religion.
William Blake
The man who never alters his opinions is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.
William Blake
What is a wife and what is a harlot? What is a church and what is a theatre? are they two and not one? Can they exist separate? Are not religion and politics the same thing? Brotherhood is religion. O demonstrations of reason dividing families in cruelty and pride!
William Blake

 

[KCDAD]

we came from god but not directly right?

Wrong. From the dust of the earth HE formed them. The HE in this case is God the Creator. Unless you want to say Jesus is either the dust or God's hands...

 

[hybrid]

Toleration! Ahhh that great Christian value that brought us the Inquisition, Witch burnings in Massachusetts, The Crusades, The English wars for the crown, slavery, the invasion of Iraq, discrimination against homosexuals, persecution and murder of Mormons, Native Americans, Chinese, etc etc etc

Save your nonsense for the kids looking for someone to replace Santa Claus.

you're confused about people usurping authorities from human institution like the church with christian values.

Other than being theologically incoherent, this is neither Christian theology, nor mathematically possible.

this is spirit stuff and not mind stuff.

When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If I am more than a part of God (God is EVERYTHING) I must be EVERYTHING, too. Is that what you think? You think you are everything? You think you are God?

the question is based on carnal mindedness.
actually there is no you or i in everything.
there is only god in "god is all in all. "

what doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it inferior, most likely you're the one that's missing it. the same way a medieval man was so sure the earth was still/not moving because that's how he feels it, even if you swear that the earth spins, that would be nonsense to him.

I do not look down on people who hold inferior beliefs. I look down on those trying to peddle those inferior beliefs to others...

looking down on people regardless in not openmindness.

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[hybrid]

Wrong. From the dust of the earth HE formed them. The HE in this case is God the Creator. Unless you want to say Jesus is either the dust or God's hands...

you don't really believe genesis creation account is literal. do you?
that's sunday school kid's stuff. LOL

anyway, what are dust made of?
can you think that far? my friend?
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[KCDAD]

"there is only god in "god is all in all. "

So god is in me and and I am a part of god... I got that.

 

[KCDAD]

you don't really believe genesis creation account is literal. do you?
that's sunday school kid's stuff. LOL

anyway, what are dust made of?
can you think that far? my friend?
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Dust is organic material... but there couldn't have been any organic material on the 6th day.

Of course Genesis is not a literal account. Very little of Jewish tradition is literal. Very little of Middle Eastern tradition is literal.

 

[Moriel]

it's like the sun and the rays of light are two different things and yet there was never a time the sun has no rays of light and the rays of light has no sun t o radiate from.

I actually really like this explanation, although I would use this to explain the relationship between God and his holy spirit. God eminates the holy spirit like the sun eminates it's warmth. The sun's warmth is not "the sun" ... but it's the active force of the sun, now the sun interacts with us. Likewise, "the holy spirit" is how God guides us and comforts us. The holy spirit isn't "God," rather the holy spirit is the effect of God.

However, the sun's rays can't be attributed to the Son, because, unlike the holy spirit... the Son is his own individual being. Capable of individual thought, but intentionally serving his Father and God. The Son isn't simply "how God works" ... he's his own individual being, an individual personal force, a fellow-servant of God, and our king/messiah/lord.

 

[hybrid]

So god is in me and and I am a part of god... I got that.

what does it mean to say that i am a part of god?
is god a pie that can be divided into 6 billion pieces of humanity or
a machine that is composed of parts.

God is ONE. either he is in you and you are in him or not.
there is no such thing as "well im not really that good,
maybe only 1/4 of the father is in me. that is nonsense..

god is one and omnipresent. that means he and nothing but the whole he is present in every point of spacetime and and every cell of your body. if you ponder that a little bit, you would perhaps come to the conclusion that "god is one" is not a "quantitative" aspect of god as the naive monotheists believed but it is a "qualitative" attribute. which means he is the only one, the entirety. there is nothing outside of him.