Transgenderism Is A Real Threat To Christians

[o_mlly]

I've tried, but found nothing substantive in most of them.

Then, pray tell, why do keep responding to my posts?

We agree so far, I think, that the diagnosis and medical treatment of actual gender dimorphism ...

Whatever is "gender dimorphism"? Sounds like something you just made up, is that right? Sounds like nonsense.

I don't see what else you would fear ...

One does not fear nonsense.

 

[BCP1928]

Whatever is "gender dimorphism"? Sounds like something you just made up, is that right? Sounds like nonsense.

A form of gender nonconformity which is a recognized medical condition for which transformative surgery is sometimes prescribed.

 

[AV1611VET]

The LGBT movement is an inevitable result of the post-modernism movement that started decades ago. In short, it's a battle against objective reality which Christians should recognize as the Bible and subjective reality which is loosely determined by individuals' feelings and preferences. Will Christians cave in to the pressure now as before, thus compromising the very foundation of truth? Or will we fight this cultural trend, understanding its significance.

For me, I'll do what Lot did when he was in the United States Sodom.

2 Peter 2:8 ( For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

 

[rjs330]

I didn't say it was discovered, I just speculated that gender nonconformity might be, in principle, discovered by archaeology.

In fact, I believe there have been such discoveries--identifying women soldiers, for instance. So what?

Then why did you bring it up? A theory is worthless if you don't have any evidence for it. You don't so it's a worthless theory and not worth discussing.

What is worth discussing is what is going on right now and how best to deal with it. I don't think it can be denied that there are gender dysphoric people. Just like there are bi-polar people. It's a mental health issue for the true dysphoric. However as we have seen that there is not really an explosion of true dysphorics. There has been an explosion of people claiming to be trans.

 

[jayem]

Getting back to the OP--

I'm not a believer in any religious faith. But I don't see that gender affirmation therapy poses any threat to all Christians. I know that in the OT, homosexual behavior is a capital offense. Fortunately,that's an ancient relic, no longer practiced in modern society. AFAIK, there is nothing in the OT or NT explicitly stating that gender affirmation treatment is in any way taboo, or sinful. And assuming no other factors existed--the PA shouldn't have lost her job for just observing her beliefs. Modern Christianity is highly diversified. I'm sure there are Christian believers, employed in the medical field, who have no problem working with gender dysphoria patients.

 

[o_mlly]

A form of gender nonconformity which is a recognized medical condition for which transformative surgery is sometimes prescribed.

Psychobabble? Do you have a DSM code for "gender dimorphism"?

Transformative surgery? You mean, like a lobotomy? Fixing mental illnesses with surgery has not fared well historically.

 

[BCP1928]

Then why did you bring it up? A theory is worthless if you don't have any evidence for it. You don't so it's a worthless theory and not worth discussing.

It was in response to a specific question as to whether it would be possible to find evidence of trans in paleolithic times. But yes, there is evidence of trans throughout human history.

What is worth discussing is what is going on right now and how best to deal with it. I don't think it can be denied that there are gender dysphoric people. Just like there are bi-polar people. It's a mental health issue for the true dysphoric. However as we have seen that there is not really an explosion of true dysphorics. There has been an explosion of people claiming to be trans.

And some of them aren't really trans--that's why gender affirming care is necessary, to sort them out. The whole idea is to reduce the distress of the gender non-conforming, whether they are trans, dimorphic or just non-conforming for some other reason.

 

[o_mlly]

I'm not a believer in any religious faith. But I don't see that gender affirmation therapy poses any threat to all Christians.

Therapy? No, problem. Invasive surgery on children? Yes, problem.

There has been an explosion of people claiming to be trans.

Odd that that explosion correlates well with the explosion of children's use of social media.

 

[BCP1928]

Psychobabble? Do you have a DSM code for "gender dimorphism"?

Transformative surgery? You mean, like a lobotomy? Fixing mental illnesses with surgery has not fared well historically.

You won't get an argument from me. I have no brief to defend the present treatment of gender dimorphism,

 

[FireDragon76]

Transgenderism is just the latest cultural wedge the media and politicians are using to drive engagement with their platforms. The more we’re all preoccupied with something that concerns 1% of the population, the less likely we are to recognize how much we all really have in common. The more divided we are, the less likely we are to push for fundamental change.

Exactly right.

I find this kind of stuff to be nonsensical and mad. There is no persecution of Christians to any significant degree in the US, and the whole narrative being promoted by some right-wing "Christian" nationalists is false, shameful and dishonorable.

 

[BCP1928]

Still, this is a Christian forum, so it behooves us to pay attention to the Christian point of view.

Oklahoma Senator releases statement about remarks appearing to refer to LGBTQ community as 'filth'

"I stand behind what I believe in. The groups and individuals who push gender reassignment on children in our schools, and anyone else who is trying to normalize behavior that shouldn’t be tolerated, is unacceptable in my mind."

www.fox23.com

 

[FireDragon76]

Still, this is a Christian forum, so it behooves us to pay attention to the Christian point of view.

Oklahoma Senator releases statement about remarks appearing to refer to LGBTQ community as 'filth'

"I stand behind what I believe in. The groups and individuals who push gender reassignment on children in our schools, and anyone else who is trying to normalize behavior that shouldn’t be tolerated, is unacceptable in my mind."

www.fox23.com

There isn't a singular Christian point of view on this subject.

Everyone is welcome at our church, including trans people. We do not support discrimination against anyone, and are opposed to the denial of anyone's civil rights based on perceived sexuality or gender identity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Exactly right.

I find this kind of stuff to be nonsensical and mad. There is no persecution of Christians to any significant degree in the US, and the whole narrative being promoted by some right-wing "Christian" nationalists is false, shameful and dishonorable.

There isn't a singular Christian point of view on this subject.

Everyone is welcome at our church, including trans people. We do not support discrimination against anyone, and are opposed to the denial of anyone's civil rights based on perceived sexuality or gender identity.

What if our church refused to marry transgenders from your church?

 

[epostle]

In addition, virtually every study concludes that trans people suffer from high rates of depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation and suicide, making it plain that this is a mentally challenged population. How much this contributes to their propensity for violence is not known.

We know one thing for sure: It is not white, heterosexual Christian men who are roaming the streets looking for trans people to beat up—it is trans people who are committing the lion’s share of the violence. That’s the dirty little secret that the AOC’s on the left don’t want you to know.

DIRTY LITTLE SECRET ABOUT TRANS VIOLENCE

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on violence against transgender persons: March 31 is “Trans Day of Visibility,” a day that is supposed to “raise awareness about transgender people,” while also “drawing attention to the poverty, discrimination, and violence the community faces.”...

www.catholicleague.org

 

[Bradskii]

If they would leave our children alone then we would leave them alone to "work out their own salvation with fear and trembling

It seems that 'won't someone please think of the children' is not all you are worried about.

...radical liberals, who among other institutions, have taken over academia, strive to ensure that the traditional constraints on deviant sexual behavior of any sort be eliminated.

Seems that you also want the 'constraints on deviant sexual behavior of any sort' to be maintained. So please, don't give us any dross about it all being about the children. It's a genuine concern for some who think it's all part of a grand scheme by liberals to wreck society, but don't think for one moment that we believe that your sole concern is kids. That's just a button that some like to push to blow smoke, so their position on 'deviant sexual behaviour' is hopefully overlooked.

 

[jayem]

Therapy? No, problem. Invasive surgery on children? Yes, problem.

Odd that that explosion correlates well with the explosion of children's use of social media.

How does this specifically threaten Christians? It's still the parents' prerogative to consent to medical treatment for a minor.

 

[Bradskii]

In addition, virtually every study concludes that trans people suffer from high rates of depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation and suicide, making it plain that this is a mentally challenged population. How much this contributes to their propensity for violence is not known.

We know one thing for sure: It is not white, heterosexual Christian men who are roaming the streets looking for trans people to beat up—it is trans people who are committing the lion’s share of the violence. That’s the dirty little secret that the AOC’s on the left don’t want you to know.

DIRTY LITTLE SECRET ABOUT TRANS VIOLENCE

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on violence against transgender persons: March 31 is “Trans Day of Visibility,” a day that is supposed to “raise awareness about transgender people,” while also “drawing attention to the poverty, discrimination, and violence the community faces.”...

www.catholicleague.org

There was nothing in that article that said that transgender people are the ones committing the violence. In fact, it emphasised that they were the victims. One of the studies it quoted said this:

'...qualitative evidence with transgender individuals finds that abusers may control their partner's actions or blackmail them into unwanted sex by threatening to “out” them as transgender to their family, their coworkers, or simply to passers-by when out in public (Guadalupe-Diaz, 2013). Knowing that this type of victimization can lead to loss of social support or employment, as well as threats to physical safety (Hughto et al., 2015), transgender individuals may be forced to comply with an abuser's wishes. Abusers may also undermine the partner's sense of self-worth and confidence by critiquing their every action as not the way a “real” man or woman would behave or act. These trans-specific tactics have been linked to increased mental health burden for survivors (Peitzmeier et al., 2019).' https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953621008273#:~:text=Transgender people are at elevated,intimate partner violence (IPV).&text=IPV can take on trans,threatening to out a partner.&text=We developed an 8-item,IPV (T-IPV).&text=Our scale shows strong reliability and construct validity.

The writer of the piece fallaciously assumes that a transgender woman is living with another transgender person. That is the exception to the rule. From here: Gender diversity status of spouse or partner of transgender persons in couples, Canada, 2021

Transgender women in couples	63.0
With a cisgender man	53.8

It's pretty obvious that whoever wrote the article hadn't bothered to check, had made an incorrect assumption and based an obviously biased article on that lack of basic journalistic practices.

Was she that sloppy, or did she set out to fool those who weren't going to check?

The abusers are invariably cis men. And seeing as 2/3 of the population is Christian, well...You can work out the percentages yourself as to how many are likely white, cis and Christian. Let me know what figure you get.

In short, the article isn't worth the paper it probably wasn't written on.

 

[AV1611VET]

This country is polluted.

It is polluted by sin.

Does anyone object to Christians voicing their disapproval of certain lifestyles?

Maybe hold up a sign or two expressing how we feel about it?

Or are we supposed to just sit and take it silently?

 

[BCP1928]

This country is polluted.

It is polluted by sin.

Does anyone object to Christians voicing their disapproval of certain lifestyles?

Maybe hold up a sign or two expressing how we feel about it?

Or are we supposed to just sit and take it silently?

There are plenty of places you can mouth off about it. Indeed, one of your Christian brethren and Oklahoma State Senator Tom Woods appeared in public to denounce the little girl beaten to death in a school bathroom as "filth."

But you are not going to be able to take that tack with one of your fellow workers in a business office or workshop, or if you are an employee in a Federal job.

So Boo Hoo.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are plenty of places you can mouth off about it.

Nice to know that's how you look at Christians expressing their concerns.