Transgenderism Is A Real Threat To Christians

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What if our church refused to marry transgenders from your church?

We're congregationalists. We govern ourselves, each congregation is fully autonomous, and expect other churches would do likewise.

Most people who belong to our church would choose to be married in our church. It's the ordinary thing to do.
 
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We're congregationalists. We govern ourselves, each congregation is fully autonomous, and expect other churches would do likewise.

Most people who belong to our church would choose to be married in our church. It's the ordinary thing to do.

That's confusing.

Don't you have national offices?
 
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Nice to know that's how you look at Christians expressing their concerns.
The same way I look at members of other religions voicing their concerns in order to advance a political agenda. What makes you so special?
 
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There isn't a singular Christian point of view on this subject.

Everyone is welcome at our church, including trans people. We do not support discrimination against anyone, and are opposed to the denial of anyone's civil rights based on perceived sexuality or gender identity.
You must be one o' them CHICOs, like me. I expect you wouldn't be much welcome in Oklahoma, either. :)
 
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The Lord, just before He ascended to heaven, gave instructions to the Apostles to go into all the world and make disciples. He gave no instructions to engage in debate with unbelievers about how they go about their secular culture. Homosexuality and fornication were rife in Roman society, and yet neither Jesus nor Paul or any of the other Apostles engaged in debates with them or tried to reform Roman society. They concentrated on preaching the Gospel of Christ. Paul said "The Gospel of Christ is the power of God leading to salvation to those who believe."

We are not commissioned to change our society, no matter how evil we think it is. In the First Century, Christianity was outlawed to the point where anyone reported to the authorities as professing Christianity were put to death - men, women and children. This went on right up to the 4th Century AD. The devil has always been working in secular societies; because he is the god of this world. Therefore we are not here to change the world, but to preach the Gospel so that people will hear and choose to believe or not to believe.

So what if transgenderism is attacking Christianity? In this world we will have tribulation, and Peter warns us of the fiery trial that comes upon us as if it is something out of the ordinary and unexpected. There is a price to pay for preaching the Gospel of Christ. The devil will do all he can to suppress it, but he is a defeated foe. Killing Christians is a defeat for the devil because "absent from the body, present with the Lord'. Christians win by dying for Christ. But we must be careful that we suffer for preaching the Gospel, not for railing against the evils of our societies. If we went moaning to the Lord because we lost our job or ended up arrested for speaking out against LGBTQ, He could come right back to us asking, "Who told you to do that?" If we decide to step aside from preaching the Gospel, to speaking out against transgenders and homosexuals, then we would have no one to blame but ourselves if we lose our jobs or find ourselves arrested. I have no sympathy or identification with those who were arrested for standing outside abortion clinics in opposition to them. Jesus never told them to do that. Also, praying outside an abortion clinic is going against what Jesus said when He said not to pray in public but to go into one's private prayer room and pray in secret. Christians who protest against the evils of society instead of keeping to sharing the Gospel just make a rod for their own backs.

So the best way of dealing with what the devil is doing in our societies is to share the Gospel, telling people what Jesus did for us on the Cross and that He took the penalty for our sins, and we need to repent and believe the Gospel so that they will be converted to Christ and receive eternal life. Then they will have the power and strength of the Holy Spirit to forsake the works of the flesh and be able to walk in the Spirit.
 
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Ok, but people lost jobs went to court by just quoting bible verses, parents are threatened to lost custody of kids, and they are teaching this stuff to kids.
As Christian believers we are in this world, but not of it. Therefore our role is to preach the Gospel of Christ, and tell people what Jesus did for us on the Cross in that He bled and died to take the penalty for our sins, and rose again to give us eternal life. This is the power of God that will change lives. This is much more than just quoting Bible verses in opposition to LGBTQ, abortion, or any other evil in society. We are not here to debate in opposition to these things. We are here to tell people about Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross. We can't make people believe us. That is the role of the Holy Spirit. Our job is just to tell people about Jesus. Most will not believe because the road to hell is broad and many are on it. The way to eternal life is narrow and few are able to find it. So, when you share the Gospel, nine out of ten hearers will reject it, but the angels in heaven will rejoice over the one person who will believe it and go on to be genuinely converted to Christ.

The Apostle John said that the spirit of the Antichrist was already active in the world of his day, and so it is just as active in our day in the form of LGBTQ activism, abortion, inappropriate contentographic books in elementary schools, refusal to have Bible instruction and prayer in schools. We are not here to change the world. We are hear to preach the Gospel of Christ so that those who choose to believe it will be saved out of the world. The world is headed for destruction, and the day will come when God will destroy it. Nothing we can do will change that. Jesus said that we need to work while it is day in order to make disciples for Christ, because the night is coming when no one will be able to work. Part of that darkness will be the time when the Antichrist will take over the world, preventing the Gospel to be preached.

So, let's stop wasting time and effort debating against the evils of our societies, and put our efforts into making disciples for Christ.
 
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As Christian believers we are in this world, but not of it. Therefore our role is to preach the Gospel of Christ, and tell people what Jesus did for us on the Cross in that He bled and died to take the penalty for our sins, and rose again to give us eternal life. This is the power of God that will change lives. This is much more than just quoting Bible verses in opposition to LGBTQ, abortion, or any other evil in society. We are not here to debate in opposition to these things. We are here to tell people about Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross. We can't make people believe us. That is the role of the Holy Spirit. Our job is just to tell people about Jesus. Most will not believe because the road to hell is broad and many are on it. The way to eternal life is narrow and few are able to find it. So, when you share the Gospel, nine out of ten hearers will reject it, but the angels in heaven will rejoice over the one person who will believe it and go on to be genuinely converted to Christ.

The Apostle John said that the spirit of the Antichrist was already active in the world of his day, and so it is just as active in our day in the form of LGBTQ activism, abortion, inappropriate contentographic books in elementary schools, refusal to have Bible instruction and prayer in schools. We are not here to change the world. We are hear to preach the Gospel of Christ so that those who choose to believe it will be saved out of the world. The world is headed for destruction, and the day will come when God will destroy it. Nothing we can do will change that. Jesus said that we need to work while it is day in order to make disciples for Christ, because the night is coming when no one will be able to work. Part of that darkness will be the time when the Antichrist will take over the world, preventing the Gospel to be preached.

So, let's stop wasting time and effort debating against the evils of our societies, and put our efforts into making disciples for Christ.

I often wonder what attitude should christian have, i am doubtful if we should take 'activism' or not, i have a hunch we can't just shut up on this tough, even unbelievers are taking at stance on this.
 
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What if our church refused to marry transgenders from your church?
Your church would be charged with a hate crime, followed by a law suit that you may not win. If your church doesn't have public liability insurance, the steeple-chasing lawyers won't waste their time.
 
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Therapy? No, problem. Invasive surgery on children? Yes, problem.

Odd that that explosion correlates well with the explosion of children's use of social media.
Oh yes it's a well known fact among therapists that social media has a huge affect on this.
 
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I often wonder what attitude should Christian have, i am doubtful if we should take 'activism' or not, i have a hunch we can't just shut up on this tough, even unbelievers are taking at stance on this.
Everything that has been commented on about the evils of the society were said to Christian believers. If you examine any sermons preached to unbelievers, they have always been Christ, Him crucified, and resurrected. Paul, when he went to preach to the Corinthians, whose sins were the worst in Roman society, he made no mention of their sins, but limited himself to preaching Christ. When Paul testified to Felix, Festus and Agrippa, he gave his testimony of how he was converted to Christ. But in his letters to Christian believers, he was much more descriptive about the sins of the flesh, and very much so in the first chapters of Romans. I think it is a mistake to quote those passages to unbelievers because they were not written for, or to them. All that believers need to know is about Christ and Him crucified.
 
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yet you realize they are born in the wrong body when they have the wrong genitals wich doesn't match their sex. there is no difference between being born with genitals that don't match them, and the brain that doesn't. You can pretend it's not the same thing but it is. If someone is born with genitals that don't match their chromosones and such they can get surgery, same with the brain.
How do you know? Maybe they have a mental health issue. There's obviously nothing wrong with the body. It has the right chromosomes and other things that make them the sex they are. There might be something wrong with their mental health and it's their brain and psychology that needs repair.
 
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There was nothing in that article that said that transgender people are the ones committing the violence. In fact, it emphasised that they were the victims. One of the studies it quoted said this:

'...qualitative evidence with transgender individuals finds that abusers may control their partner's actions or blackmail them into unwanted sex by threatening to “out” them as transgender to their family, their coworkers, or simply to passers-by when out in public (Guadalupe-Diaz, 2013). Knowing that this type of victimization can lead to loss of social support or employment, as well as threats to physical safety (Hughto et al., 2015), transgender individuals may be forced to comply with an abuser's wishes. Abusers may also undermine the partner's sense of self-worth and confidence by critiquing their every action as not the way a “real” man or woman would behave or act. These trans-specific tactics have been linked to increased mental health burden for survivors (Peitzmeier et al., 2019).' https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953621008273#:~:text=Transgender people are at elevated,intimate partner violence (IPV).&text=IPV can take on trans,threatening to out a partner.&text=We developed an 8-item,IPV (T-IPV).&text=Our scale shows strong reliability and construct validity.
Yes, I agree. It affirms the article in question. It's pointless to argue with what we agree on.
The writer of the piece fallaciously assumes that a transgender woman is living with another transgender person.
Psycom Pro is a psychiatry resource for clinicians, and last year it concluded that “More than half of transgender individuals experience partner violence or gender identity abuse.”
That is the exception to the rule. From here: Gender diversity status of spouse or partner of transgender persons in couples, Canada, 2021

Transgender women in couples63.0
With a cisgender man53.8
I'm not talking about gender diversity status. That has nothing to do with the facts presented by numerous studies and sources.. Transgenders tend to beat each other up more than cisgenders.
It's pretty obvious that whoever wrote the article hadn't bothered to check, had made an incorrect assumption and based an obviously biased article on that lack of basic journalistic practices.
In 2020, seven experts published a study in the American Journal of Public Health on “Intimate Partner Violence in Transgender Populations; Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence and Correlates.” They concluded that “Transgender individuals experience a dramatically higher prevalence of IPV [intimate partner violence] victimization compared with cisgender individuals, regardless of sex assigned at birth.
Was she that sloppy, or did she set out to fool those who weren't going to check?
I am to believe you checked the American Journal of Public Health, Psycom Pro (restricted to clinicians) and the Williams Institute. That's impressive.
The abusers are invariably cis men. And seeing as 2/3 of the population is Christian, well...You can work out the percentages yourself as to how many are likely white, cis and Christian. Let me know what figure you get.
The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence reviewed the literature on domestic violence in the LGBT community and found that “43.8% of lesbian women and 61.1% of bisexual women have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime, as opposed to 35% of cisgender women.” It also found that “Transgender individuals may suffer from an even greater burden of intimate partner violence than gay or lesbian individuals.”
In short, the article isn't worth the paper it probably wasn't written on.
Bill Donohue has a Ph.D. in sociology. What he publishes carries more weight than your rude remarks.
 

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What if our church refused to marry transgenders from your church?
The only reason why transgenders would choose to marry in a church would be to score a point according to their view that a church should accept transgenders - even though they would not be members of that particular church anyway. As far as church membership goes, I like one Lutheran church that requires any person to undertake two years of catechism training plus a one hour examination, before being admitted as a member. A conservative church could have a policy that only members of that church may be married in that church. Although a church may not be able to refuse membership to a transgender, having that person undertake two whole years of catechism training and a one hour examination, may put them off joining that church, and going to find another church that is more liberal and accepting of LGBTQ people. Other than that, the only option would be a Registry Office which is able to conduct Civil Union marriages.
 
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don't know about you, but the science facts so plainly evident to me suggest that "transgenderism" is a real phenomenon.
Transgenderism is a an ideology and one that is harming children. Having dysphoria is a mental health disorder.
 
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Transgenderism is a an ideology and one that is harming children. Having dysphoria is a mental health disorder.
Well since the surgeries and other irreversible treatments are largely confined to actual cases of gender disphoria (or should be) how does transgenderism itself harm children other than that?
 
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TRANSGENDER DOMESTIC TERRORISM​

There is a violent streak among trans activists that is underreported in the media. The following events all took place this year.

 
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And some of them aren't really trans--that's why gender affirming care is necessary, to sort them out. The whole idea is to reduce the distress of the gender non-conforming, whether they are trans, dimorphic or just non-conforming for some other reason.
I don't disagree at all. But that's not what's happening. Affirmation therapy doesn't seem to sort anything out, but seeks to affirm they are indeed trans. In fact not much therapy takes place at all.

However that is changing in Europe at least.

What is gender dimorphism isn't even remotely related to the topic. Non-conforming is a personal choice based upon personality and chosing not to follow a stereotype. It is nothing that even needs to remotely be addressed by ANY kind of medicalization of a person.
 
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Well since the surgeries and other irreversible treatments are largely confined to actual cases of gender disphoria (or should be) how does transgenderism itself harm children other than that?
It's safe to say that violence in any home harms children.
 
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