Trans woman beaten

[SilverBear]

Yeah.....that's exactly how that scenario works. When you have a problem your Dr can't address, he refers you to a specialist.

who can't do anything

 

[RDKirk]

Once more.....Say it with me now. Gender dysphoria is not the same thing as transsexual

You keep saying that. What is the difference that you think it makes?

 

[RDKirk]

If a male-to-female transsexual is able to live with the sexual equipment their body sports, then they do not suffer from gender-dysphoria.

And so then it is purely a matter of choice.

 

[RDKirk]

Perhaps. But self-control can be powerful.

There are psychopathic people out there who get violent urges to harm people too, and yet many of them are able to suppress them.

It's a mental disorder and they need help. But it doesn't make them a criminal if they haven't done anything wrong.

So objectively speaking, it's no different from requiring a homosexual to refrain from homosexual activity. It's just a matter of whose definition of "morality" you're using.

 

[bekkilyn]

Saw this video from (transwoman) Blair White today, who seems to be in full agreement that pedophiles are attempting to rebrand themselves as MAPs in order to normalize the behavior.

"We gotta treat it like whack-a-mole. Everywhere it pops up, we gotta squash it. You need to react to it with the extremity that it puts out there. It's extreme, so the reaction has to be extreme."

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Why are we even talking about pedophiles? When we're supposed to be talking about a transgender woman. That was put holding cell with 3 men. So, the cops could have a little fun watching them, beat a beat a transgender woman. And then left hour with any treatment.

 

[SilverBear]

You keep saying that. What is the difference that you think it makes?

Gender Dysphoria is a psychiatric diagnosis that transexuals CAN have. It involes anxiety and compromised functioning in daily life because the internal gender does not match the external biological sex.

 

[SilverBear]

So objectively speaking, it's no different from requiring a homosexual to refrain from homosexual activity. It's just a matter of whose definition of "morality" you're using.

if you were being objective then you would acknowledge that one involves informed consent on the part of both parties and one does not so there is a difference in that one actively causes harm.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you could do that you would have done so.

And I did.

Your claim was : "1. Trans activists have largely convinced a significant number of people on the left that children can consent to life changing medical procedures based on their feelings."

Yeah.

This is of course not true and your attempt to insert the AMA here doesn't help you show such.

Really? I have to start quoting the article?

Here the AMA is saying that legislatures are nto medical professionals and creating laws that stop doctors form providing information about potential treatment options is at best wrong headed and at worst harmful.

Wrong. It's not about providing information.

. THe AMA writes:"Decisions about medical care belong within the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship. As with all medical interventions, physicians are guided by their ethical duty to act in the best interest of their patients and must tailor recommendations about specific interventions and the timing of those interventions to each patient’s unique circumstances. Such decisions must be sensitive to the child’s clinical situation, nurture the child’s short and long-term development, and balance the need to preserve the child’s opportunity to make important life choices autonomously in the future."

The AMA mentions the Arkansas Safe Act specifically. Among it's provisions was the section that would have criminalized....Criminalized a doctor just talking to anyone under the age of 18 about a variety of medication including puberty blockers. Not prescribe...just talk.

Ahem....

Empirical evidence has demonstrated that trans and non-binary gender identities are normal variations of human identity and expression. For gender diverse individuals, standards of care and accepted medically necessary services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria may include mental health counseling, non-medical social transition, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and/or gender-affirming surgeries. Clinical guidelines established by professional medical organizations for the care of minors promote these supportive interventions based on the current evidence and that enable young people to explore and live the gender that they choose. Every major medical association in the United States recognizes the medical necessity of transition-related care for improving the physical and mental health of transgender people.

So that's what they're talking about for kids. Hormones and surgery.

We done now?

You may have noticed that they're called "young people" instead of children because only a lunatic is going to give children the right to consent to gender reassignment surgery.

 

[SilverBear]

Why are we even talking about pedophiles? When we're supposed to be talking about a transgender woman. That was put holding cell with 3 men. So, the cops could have a little fun watching them, beat a beat a transgender woman. And then left hour with any treatment.

its a pretty standard tactic to justify hate and violence. If you falsely associate associate a minority with say child abusers than any assault against a particular person of that minority becomes justified because that transwoman deserved to be assaulted and the police who arranged the assault and got their kicks out of watching it become heroes.

 

[RDKirk]

if you were being objective then you would acknowledge that one involves informed consent on the part of both parties and one does not so there is a difference in that one actively causes harm.

No, that's not objective, that's subjective. And, as it's been already mentioned, if society decides a child can consent to a sex change, then society will decide a child can consent to sex.

 

[RDKirk]

Gender Dysphoria is a psychiatric diagnosis that transexuals CAN have. It involes anxiety and compromised functioning in daily life because the internal gender does not match the external biological sex.

I'm still not understanding what difference you think it makes, except that 86% of transsexuals are just on a lark.

 

[SilverBear]

And I did.

no you linked to and AMA open letter that doesn't support your claims

Ahem....

Empirical evidence has demonstrated that trans and non-binary gender identities are normal variations of human identity and expression. For gender diverse individuals, standards of care and accepted medically necessary services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria may include mental health counseling, non-medical social transition, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and/or gender-affirming surgeries. Clinical guidelines established by professional medical organizations for the care of minors promote these supportive interventions based on the current evidence and that enable young people to explore and live the gender that they choose. Every major medical association in the United States recognizes the medical necessity of transition-related care for improving the physical and mental health of transgender people.

So that's what they're talking about for kids. Hormones and surgery.

and where does it say "children can consent to life changing medical procedures based on their feelings." Well it doesn't

We done now?

I'm sure you will continue to try to misdirect and misrepresent

You may have noticed that they're called "young people" instead of children because only a lunatic is going to give children the right to consent to gender reassignment surgery.

and no one is doing that.

 

[SilverBear]

I'm still not understanding what difference you think it makes, except that 86% of transsexuals are just on a lark.

if one is of African descent, it is possible to have a condition called cycle cell anemia. Not all black people have cycle cell anemia.
If one is transgender it is possible to have a condition called gender dysphoria. Not all trnasgender individuals have gender dysphoria.


Conflating an illness with a minority is a means to justify prejudice against that minority (they are sick, sick people they deserve our contempt.) just as suggesting that that individuals somehow choose to be members of a minority and are just on a lark and as such deserve out contempt

 

[SilverBear]

No, that's not objective, that's subjective. And, as it's been already mentioned, if society decides a child can consent to a sex change, then society will decide a child can consent to sex.

you don't think child abuse is objectively harmful?

 

[RDKirk]

you don't think child abuse is objectively harmful?

The definition of "child abuse" is subjective. It has varied over time and it varies across cultures.

 

[RDKirk]

if one is of African descent, it is possible to have a condition called cycle cell anemia. Not all black people have cycle cell anemia.

If one is transgender it is possible to have a condition called gender dysphoria. Not all trnasgender individuals have gender dysphoria.

Conflating an illness with a minority is a means to justify prejudice against that minority (they are sick, sick people they deserve our contempt.) just as suggesting that that individuals somehow choose to be members of a minority and are just on a lark and as such deserve out contempt[/QUOTE]

Black people who don't have sickle cell anemia do not act as though they do. If black people who did not have sickle cell anemia acted as though they did--and expected society to treat them as though they did--that would be "just on a lark."

Nor is social policy structured as though all black people have sickle cell anemia.

 

[SilverBear]

The definition of "child abuse" is subjective. It has varied over time and it varies across cultures.

but here and now you don't think child abuse is harmful

 

[SilverBear]

Black people who don't have sickle cell anemia do not act as though they do. If black people who did not have sickle cell anemia acted as though they did--and expected society to treat them as though they did--that would be "just on a lark."

Nor is social policy structured as though all black people have sickle cell anemia.

and transgender people who don't have gender dysphoria don't act as though they do.

 

[Ana the Ist]

who can't do anything

What do you mean "do anything"?