Trace Fossils Falsify the Global Flood

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Trace fossil are found throughout much of the geologic column that YEC interpret as being deposited by a world wide flood. Trace fossils show animals going about there buisness during a time when YECs claim the entire world was under a flood with currents so powerfull that it rearranged all the world's geology depositing layers of sediment thousands of feet thick all over the world. The presence of trace fossils in layers that are supposed to be flood deposits falsifies the claim the claim that the flood of Noah was worldwide.

I have already discussed how the animal track in the Permian Coconino Sandstones of the Grand Canyon

http://www.psiaz.com/Schur/azpaleo/cocotr.html

show that the sandstones are not flood deposits and that the YEC claims aobut them are totally illogical and not supported by reality.

http://www.christianforums.com/t50735

The Jurassic Navajo sandstone of the Colorado plateau also contain both burrows made by invertebrates and widespread tracks of vertebrate animals.

http://www.unl.edu/geosciences/dbl/NavajoTracks&BurrowsWeb/NavajoTracks&Burrows.html

Starting from the first Paleozoic strata, the following formations below the Navajo sandstones and are alleged by most YECs to be flood deposits.

Tapeats Sandstone,
Bright Angel Shale,
Muav Limestone,
Grand Wash Dolomites
Temple Butte Limestone
Redwall Limestone
Surprise Canyon Formation
Supai Group
Hermit Formation
Coconino Sandstones
Toroweap Formation
Kabab Limestones
Moenkopi Formation
Chinle Formation
Wingate Formation
Kayenta Formation

So after thousand of feet of sediments of many different types were deposited there were still invertebrates around making burrows and animals around making tracks. There are also tracks and burrows in the Chinle Formation and there are the famous tracks in the Coconino Sandstones that have already been discussed.

Here are some pages with details about the geology and paleontology of the Colorado Plateau.
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grandb.htm
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2b.htm


There are extensive Dinosaur trackways in the Moab.

http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/dinos/SIU-course/may12-02-siutripplan/entradatracks-day1.html

In addition to running around making tracks dinosaurs were also building nests and laying eggs during the global flood that had already deposited thousands of feet of sediments.

http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/eggs.htm

There also many trace fossils of insects found in various layers that are supposed to be flood deposits. This site has a picture of a Jurassic Termite Nest in the Morrison formation
http://rainbow.ldgo.columbia.edu/courses/v1001/morisson14.html

How did termites build this nest during a global flood that had already deposited thousands of feet of sediments?

Here is a site with extensive bee and wasp trace fossils.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/sepm/palaios/0002/genise.html

There are also extensive burrows made by marine animals as trace fossils. Some are J-Shaped and Some are U-Shaped.
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/t_origins/carbbones/burrow.html

and even burrows that were enlarged by the organism as it grew.

http://it.stlawu.edumath/activities//~***/***2001/***2001OralPres/***2001TBouchard.html
(This is an interesting site but Christian forum censoring software is taking an innocent part of the name and converting it to *** very annoying and even putting it in url tags doesn't help. If you cut it out and replace all the stars with F O S without the spaces it may work. )

They indicate that various types of normal animal behavior was going on while a worldwide flood was supposedly rearranging all the world's geology.
http://www.earthsci.ucl.ac.uk/undergrad/fieldwork/image/fieldtrips/TraceFossils/morph.htm

This site has a huge collection of trace fossil images

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/research/ichnology//images.htm
Here is particularly interesting one of Cretaceous age.

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/research/ichnology//Dactyloidites.htm

All through the paleozoic, mesozoic and cenzoic portions of the geologic column we see evidence of organisms going about their daily lives, walking around, hunting, making burrows, making nests and laying eggs. This is completely inconsistent with the claim that the layers these traces fossils are found in were deposited by a worldwide flood that was moving trillions of tons of sediment around and rearranging all the world's geology.

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[ObbiQuiet]

And it gets ignored by YECs.

 

[revolutio]

And it gets ignored by YECs.

Honestly though, are there anymore even on these forums?

They were fun.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Honestly though, are there anymore even on these forums?

They were fun.

They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum. I guess if they shut themselves off from the invalidity of their beliefs they are all the more believable.

 

[revolutio]

They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum. I guess if they shut themselves off from the invalidity of their beliefs they are all the more believable.

Eh, well don't expect me to hang around. My whole purpose for being on these forums is to be around people who have different beliefs than mine. No sense in us all just sitting around agreeing with one another.

 

[troodon]

Eh, well don't expect me to hang around. My whole purpose for being on these forums is to be around people who have different beliefs than mine. No sense in us all just sitting around agreeing with one another.

Absolutely, I agree completely.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Yeah, it's been getting pretty boring here... I've been waiting around hoping for another dayton to come by.

 

[ashibaka]

They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum.

Well, we all know where they went-- to the Christians-only "science" forum where they don't have to go through that whole tedious process of validating their evidence!

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Well, we all know where they went-- to the Christians-only "science" forum where they don't have to go through that whole tedious process of validating their evidence!

Oh dear. And to think I had thought they would have learned from this forum.

 

[Knight of Ni]

Ladies and gentlemen, I have no idea what is going on.

That is all.

 

[ObbiQuiet]

Hey, I know you...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, we all know where they went-- to the Christians-only "science" forum where they don't have to go through that whole tedious process of validating their evidence!

Awww.... did the Big Bad Evolutionists scare them off?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

I doubt if Chris is "scared off" but he has a lot to answer right now.

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

One kind of trace fossil I forgot to mention is coprolites or fossilized feces

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/research/ichnology/Dinocopro.htm

A t-rex coprolite with crunched up bones from another dinosaur has been found so not only were dinosaurs walking around and laying eggs during the worldwide flood that was depositing thousands of feet of sediment everywhere, they were eating and pooping.

http://www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~GEL3/kingcoprolite.html

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[TrueCreation]

I doubt if Chris is "scared off" but he has a lot to answer right now.

--And will have a lot to answer well into the future. That is, if I don't cross-over to the "dark side" anytime soon.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose (the infamous creationist)

 

[TrueCreation]

One kind of trace fossil I forgot to mention is coprolites or fossilized feces

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/research/ichnology/Dinocopro.htm

A t-rex coprolite with crunched up bones from another dinosaur has been found so not only were dinosaurs walking around and laying eggs during the worldwide flood that was depositing thousands of feet of sediment everywhere, they were eating and pooping.

http://www-geology.ucdavis.edu/~GEL3/kingcoprolite.html

The frumious Bandersnatch

--Hm.. I guess they were inclined to hold it in for a year at the sight of water.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

--Hm.. I guess they were inclined to hold it in for a year at the sight of water.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

You'd think just the opposite would have happened. I mean if you saw a big ol worldwide flood commin at ya wouldn't it just scare the **** out of you?
The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[TrueCreation]

You'd think just the opposite would have happened. I mean if you saw a big ol worldwide flood commin at ya wouldn't it just scare the **** out of you?

--Haha, maybe we can do an analysis of coprolites to help envision the dynamics of their defecation. When you get the **** scared out of you, you get some serious acceleration--those things fly. Were they just minding their own business and pooping around, or were they crapping for their lives?

--But seriously, we see coprolites in the fossil record and this isn't a big surprize. Whether they got the **** scared out of them or they just had to go.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

--Haha, maybe we can do an analysis of coprolites to help envision the dynamics of their defecation. When you get the **** scared out of you, you get some serious acceleration--those things fly. Were they just minding their own business and pooping around, or were they crapping for their lives?

--But seriously, we see coprolites in the fossil record and this isn't a big surprize. Whether they got the **** scared out of them or they just had to go.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

Ya but **** floats so how did coprolites and in some cases clearly dried out coprolites get buried with the animals that deposited them?

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/poop.htm

Do you suppose the flood also scared the dinosaurs into building nests and laying eggs? It must have been pretty scary since it had deposited several thousand feet of sediment under them before they laid the eggs. (Added in edit: I guess that's why they were "making tracks" )
The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[TrueCreation]

Ya but **** floats so how did coprolites and in some cases clearly dried out coprolites get buried with the animals that deposited them?

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/poop.htm

--its quite simple to point out Morton's fallacy here (it was a rather humerous essay in my opinion ):

Now, the real question for the young-earth creationists is, what were turtles doing coming ashore during the global flood, when there wasn't supposed to be any land?

--I think I have said it more than once that various environmental conditions (including local water depth, or whether there was water at all in the region) will vary geographically. After a certain sedimentary deposit it could have been several days or even weeks before there would be another deposit on top of this one. That the turtle coprolite in Morton's article exhibits dessication cracks from drying out is no big surprise.

Do you suppose the flood also scared the dinosaurs into building nests and laying eggs?

--No, they just did what their species was either created for, or has been doing for several hundred million years, attempting to preserve the species. As far as we can tell, the most prominent function of most animals is to eat, reproduce, and die. Besides, general consensus has it that dino's were not the most intelligent creatures on the planet.

It must have been pretty scary since it had deposited several thousand feet of sediment under them before they laid the eggs.

--You sure they didn't lay the eggs and then the sediment came to burry them?

Cheers,
-Chris Grose