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Toxic Masculinity Vs Toxic Femininity

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The facts of life are that women choose men for mating, raising potential children and protection.

Women generally choose a mate who is at least equivalent to them or higher and it's
more often than not, men who are higher in the hierarchal ladder who are chosen. It's rare that a
woman marries down when seeking a mate. Mating sites like Tinder, show this to be the case.

In the past, however, women also acted to stratify their societies to even out the mating pools. Outside the lofty realm of kings building strategic alliances (and often even then), women had more agency than is usually thought in managing the mating pools for their children.

In the lives of normal people (blacksmiths, cobblers, farmers, and other working folk) matchmakers were usually women working in concert with mothers determining best arrangements, with the mothers of daughters certainly aiming upward, counterbalanced by mothers of sons avoiding going too far downward. Mothers created the invitation lists for debutante balls, Quinceaneras, and such events in which young men and women were introduced to their specific mating pools. Generally speaking, there were choices available, and the women at least narrowed those choices to appropriate social economic strata and social respectability. Women made sure that all their sons and all their daughters (at least the respectable ones) had fair opportunity to mate within their strata.

Even into the 50s and 60s, when mating pools were essentially determined by neighborhood residencies, it was wives who generally had the final say of where the husband and wife settled down, thus influencing the mating pools of their children.

That's broken down with the advent of online dating, which is likely the first time in history that young women of all social strata could compete for the men in the top social strata, and men of the top social strata could freely dally with women far below their own social strata.
 
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Yeah... but if those "highly qualified therapists" don't believe there's any such thing as toxic femininity all you have is an opinion.

They believe in "toxic femininity," but that it's when men force women to act feminine.

IOW, they consider all traditional masculine traits toxic and all traditional feminine traits are also toxic.
 
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Man, don't I know how that feels. lol

Funny how people think you can just "turn it off". That opinion clearly comes from a position of female privilege. Few women have seen our world. One can't simply "turn it off". I'm just trying to learn to live with it.


It goes without saying that most civilians don't understand veterans.

They've never had to wade through human gore, wash entrails off their boots, throw away clothing that is sopping with human blood. They think that what we would term "proportionate response" is unnecessarily brutal violence.

They don't understand that PTSD literally (and permanently) re-configures your brain----so when they say, "You're not in the military any more; why can't you just get over it?", it's like saying, "Everybody gets cut now and then; why can't you just not bleed?" They don't understand that the reason places like amusement parks hold no thrill for you is because you were doing things 1000 times more adrenaline-inducing than a roller-coaster ride when you were 19 years old, and now, you'd just as soon stay relaxed and quiet.

Most of them have never been under fire. Most of them have never lost close friends, and if they have, the manner in which they were lost was a lot less traumatic than suddenly feeling like you were doused in hot water, and when you turn to your buddy, who was standing right next to you whole, healthy, and alive five seconds ago, you see that you're covered in what's left of him---all that remains are his severed legs, lying in the mud with smoke drifting out of them.

They don't understand that what they consider to be minor annoyances will send you into screaming rages---and conversely, they can't fathom why something which seems so terribly important to them, you can't seem to work up any amount of concern over. They think it's bizarre that you want to sit with your back against the wall in a restaurant, with a clear view of all the points of access and egress. They think that it's mean and selfish that you flatly refuse to take your kids to the fireworks on the 4th of July.

They think that you're a horrible, wicked human being when a dope addict who has a 14- year record of beating his wife, aggravated assault, B&E, peddling, threatening with a weapon, armed robbery, and pedophilia gets fatally shot by the cops during his latest escapade, and your response is to shrug and say, "Good. He got what he deserved, he's off the street, and we don't have to waste money supporting him in prison."

They just do not understand us. And considering what we had to go through that made us this way, maybe that's a good thing.
 
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Boys without meaning life, will become violent and we're seeing that today.

So very true. I take my son hunting, fishing, camping, and to the range. You have to keep boys busy. You also have to feed their self-respect because if these boys don't respect themselves... they rarely show respect for others, which includes women and even authority like law enforcement.

As Dr Farrell says in the video, when he was asked by the Obama administration to be on the gender commission, he thought that it would be about both genders. Instead, it was only one females and how to promote and benefit women alone.

If one isn't gay, trans, or a soy boy with a man bun society will one day criminalize us. I assure you that in this brave new world the liberals are cramming down our throats no one will have any interest in "lifting up boys" or "addressing troubled males" or "promoting a positive view of manhood". Today if a boy is insecure about his body or his "toughness" they encourage him to investigate if he might be trans. They WANT to erase men from society. It's a planned and determined agenda. The desire to hunt, fish, shoot at the range, own guns, camp, laugh over campfires, drink a couple beers, flirt with girls, or even just have a swimsuit model calendar in the garage will be seen as a mental disorder.

Frankly, I kinda hope Putin or someone brings this house of cards down. It will be a return to a better day wherein reality can't be ignored by privileged, hormone injected, know it alls.

 
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It goes without saying that most civilians don't understand veterans.

They've never had to wade through human gore, wash entrails off their boots, throw away clothing that is sopping with human blood. They think that what we would term "proportionate response" is unnecessarily brutal violence.

They don't understand that PTSD literally (and permanently) re-configures your brain----so when they say, "You're not in the military any more; why can't you just get over it?", it's like saying, "Everybody gets cut now and then; why can't you just not bleed?" They don't understand that the reason places like amusement parks hold no thrill for you is because you were doing things 1000 times more adrenaline-inducing than a roller-coaster ride when you were 19 years old, and now, you'd just as soon stay relaxed and quiet.

Most of them have never been under fire. Most of them have never lost close friends, and if they have, the manner in which they were lost was a lot less traumatic than suddenly feeling like you were doused in hot water, and when you turn to your buddy, who was standing right next to you whole, healthy, and alive five seconds ago, you see that you're covered in what's left of him---all that remains are his severed legs, lying in the mud with smoke drifting out of them.

They don't understand that what they consider to be minor annoyances will send you into screaming rages---and conversely, they can't fathom why something which seems so terribly important to them, you can't seem to work up any amount of concern over. They think it's bizarre that you want to sit with your back against the wall in a restaurant, with a clear view of all the points of access and egress. They think that it's mean and selfish that you flatly refuse to take your kids to the fireworks on the 4th of July.

They think that you're a horrible, wicked human being when a dope addict who has a 14- year record of beating his wife, aggravated assault, B&E, peddling, threatening with a weapon, armed robbery, and pedophilia gets fatally shot by the cops during his latest escapade, and your response is to shrug and say, "Good. He got what he deserved, he's off the street, and we don't have to waste money supporting him in prison."

They just do not understand us. And considering what we had to go through that made us this way, maybe that's a good thing.

It took me several attempts to even read this post. I just kept crying. You know. You actually see it. Sometimes I feel like I don't exist or like I'm not even real until another vet talks about all this.

At this very moment I'm reliving that spooky feeling you get when your ears are ringing after enemy contact and you're wondering if your hearing will ever come back. There's no way to describe this feeling.

I was at a cook out on the Fourth of July a few years ago and someone across the street set off some firecrackers. I as working the grill. Man... I can't stop crying as I write this. It was only firecrackers. But suddenly I began finding it hard to concentrate. People were talking to me but I was missing it all. I heard the sound of their voice... but I wasn't processing the words. My wife at the time looked at me and asked if I was okay. My hands were shaking and she said I looked pale. Bro... it was only fireworks. I can't stop crying... My hands were shaking. She recognized quickly I wasn't doing well and she walked with me into the house and suggested I go lay down. So I went upstairs to the bathroom and that's when I began experiencing the racing thoughts. Snap shot memories. Odd memories. Memories even unrelated to the military. But as soon as I felt I had wrapped my mind around the thought, it was gone, followed by another in rapid succession. It was so irritating. There was a memory of my grandpa dying, then an Army buddy, then my mom, then my first pastor, then my Army buddy, then the finances and how my wife had overspent and I didn't know how to pay the bill. It's like I was losing them all over again. I was shaking inside and filling with rage. I wanted to do things I can't say here. It was like I was becoming overcome with pure rage, pure hate. I wanted to slam my face or my fists through the mirror. I just screamed as loud as I could into a towel. I then went into the bedroom and laid down across the bed and curled up into the fetal position and cried my mind was like a marry-go-round spinning faster and faster. I wanted a drink. A strong drink to slow it down. I want this feeling to stop. I'd almost do anything to get this feeling to stop. I can see why some decide to pull a trigger to stop this sense of your own mind spinning faster and faster. Body shaking. Hands shaking. Heart racing like you're about to die. I took some medication and laid there until I passed out. My wife woke me up a couple hours later and I felt like I hadn't slept in days. I was exhausted.

It took me several stops and starts to write this one. I'm stepping away form this for a while because I'm fading as I type this. I need to just back away.

The reality is... society doesn't have a clue what men shoulder. And they never will. And my reward from this society is a single label... "toxic".




 
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Excellent points. In a lot of ways society has conditioned women to only see and hate men for male privilege. Society doesn't inform women about any burdens males face, and its my experience that when you treat a woman as truly equal... few can hack it. I was in the Army for 8 years. I know women who are total beasts. Women who are truly strong and can hang. But the average liberal feminist activist would loose her mind and emotionally shatter into a million pieces if she was truly treated as an equal to men.

I don't even think most women hate men, it's they are tired of being victims of predatory men.

Women were often victims of rape and dominance in times of war or invasion. Even in modern times, I see videos of women being kicked down the stairs in subways, beaten in the street, pushed in front of trains, by men.

Men have a biological advantage of strength and agility to protect themselves. Women do not.

The very harm that men feel in terms of emotional repression and feeling unloved, and not having their traumas taken seriously, was done to them by the societal standards instituted by other men.
 
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Well, speaking as a six-year military veteran who also has about twenty more years in law enforcement experience on the street, those are pretty common traits.

I'm not really sure that pointing out how common these traits are helps an argument that we shouldn't see them as a problem. Especially when you later write so eloquently about exactly how much a culture which insists on these traits has been harmful to you.

In certain types of work, you need to be physically tough.

Sure. But the point here is, suppose something happens which means that's no longer possible. An injury, an infection, an illness, aging, whatever. If that means at that point you're seen as less of a man, less worthy, having less respect, and so on, that's where the problem is. The person who blames you for the problems of PTSD is an example of this kind of problem.

The facts of life are that women choose men for mating, raising potential children and protection.

I rolled my eyes so hard my vision hasn't recovered yet. No, women don't choose men for protection. We choose men as life partners, who will share with us through life's ups and downs and be willing to work as a team through life's challenges.

Women generally choose a mate who is at least equivalent to them or higher and it's more often than not, men who are higher in the hierarchal ladder who are chosen. It's rare that a woman marries down when seeking a mate.

The only women who need to behave this way are those who have been denied opportunities in their own lives. Women who have education, employment, and so on, are free to choose a man for reasons other than wealth or social power.

Boys without meaning life, will become violent and we're seeing that today.

Anyone without meaning in life is a problem; but for boys in particular, when "meaning" is defined in very narrow ways, that sets many of them up to struggle, which is part of the problem of "toxic masculinity."

I look at the list and I think that "violence" definitely needs to be addressed. However, if my manners being a veteran, a gun owner, a hunter, a fisherman, a 911 Dispatcher, a straight male, a Christian male offends someone... I'm not toxic.

I find it fascinating that you've gone from "violence" to "manners." I'm not a fan of hunting or fishing, personally; and clearly I'm a Christian; but these things have nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

I think it is a misunderstanding for anyone to apply these terms to individuals, rather than to social trends. It's not right for anyone to label you, personally, as "toxic," and even though I disagree with you on some points in this thread, that is not in any sense an accusation from me.

1. Unconditional physical toughness. If we’re talking about men’s view of themselves then I disagree as some men want to be physically strong there’s nothing wrong with this.

Again, this is not saying that strength, or pursuing strength, is bad; it's about seeing men who don't fit that stereotype as less-than which is the problem.

But men have to learn to channel this aggression to healthy outlets,

Precisely. But again, seeing unhealthy aggression as a normal and necessary part of masculinity is where the problem is.

6. Anti-feminist behavior. Women shouldn’t be treated any differently then men are treated fully agree. But some under the umbrella of feminism like abortion and having majority of custody of children shouldn’t be something that men should be forced to agree with.

That's not what this is about; this is about gender-based hierarchy and rigid gender roles, often enforced by violence and threat.

I think we all support women living as partners with all the same rights and privileges that men enjoy. We’re all human and nobody should be discriminated against because of sex.

Sadly, I can find lots of people on this site who would disagree.
 
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It took me several attempts to even read this post. I just kept crying. You know. You actually see it. Sometimes I feel like I don't exist or like I'm not even real until another vet talks about all this.

Bro, you are not alone, believe me. I've been in those PTSD support groups at the VA. There are a lot of us out here. A lot of us.

At this very moment I'm reliving that spooky feeling you get when your ears are ringing after enemy contact and you're wondering if your hearing will ever come back. There's no way to describe this feeling.

I always felt it was similar to what you hear when you stick your head under water....you can still hear stuff, but it's muffled, muted, like being heard through dozens of bales of cotton.

I was at a cook out on the Fourth of July a few years ago and someone across the street set off some firecrackers. I as working the grill. Man... I can't stop crying as I write this. It was only firecrackers. But suddenly I began finding it hard to concentrate. People were talking to me but I was missing it all. I heard the sound of their voice... but I wasn't processing the words.

I was in a Lowe's store, or maybe it was Menard's. Anyway, I was in the checkout lane with my wife. Somebody in the aisle behind us tipped over a big steel shelving unit, and it hit the floor with a crash. Everything went grainy yellow, and I don't remember what happened after that. When I came to, I was in a fetal position on the floor, shaking violently, sweating until I was soaking, heart trip-hammering in my chest, and weeping. I am told that I screamed "INCOMING!", hit the floor, and tried to crawl under a shopping cart. I don't remember screaming anything, but I do know that when I gained my senses, I was a hot mess. That was back in 2011, and it was after that episode that my wife and my sister told me I was going to get checked out whether I liked it or not. That's how I ended up in a psych ward at the VA and they told me I had untreated PTSD. I think it saved my life.

My wife at the time looked at me and asked if I was okay. My hands were shaking and she said I looked pale. Bro... it was only fireworks. I can't stop crying... My hands were shaking. She recognized quickly I wasn't doing well and she walked with me into the house and suggested I go lay down. So I went upstairs to the bathroom and that's when I began experiencing the racing thoughts. Snap shot memories. Odd memories. Memories even unrelated to the military. But as soon as I felt I had wrapped my mind around the thought, it was gone, followed by another in rapid succession. It was so irritating. There was a memory of my grandpa dying, then an Army buddy, then my mom, then my first pastor, then my Army buddy, then the finances and how my wife had overspent and I didn't know how to pay the bill. It's like I was losing them all over again. I was shaking inside and filling with rage. I wanted to do things I can't say here. It was like I was becoming overcome with pure rage, pure hate. I wanted to slam my face or my fists through the mirror. I just screamed as loud as I could into a towel. I then went into the bedroom and laid down across the bed and curled up into the fetal position and cried my mind was like a marry-go-round spinning faster and faster. I wanted a drink. A strong drink to slow it down. I want this feeling to stop. I'd almost do anything to get this feeling to stop. I can see why some decide to pull a trigger to stop this sense of your own mind spinning faster and faster. Body shaking. Hands shaking. Heart racing like you're about to die. I took some medication and laid there until I passed out. My wife woke me up a couple hours later and I felt like I hadn't slept in days. I was exhausted.

(nodding) That's called a "trauma loop" and it's not uncommon; I've never experienced one, but I know other guys who have. I've had intrusive thoughts, guilt trips, flashbacks, depression, rage, and nightmares....God, the nightmares. But never a trauma loop.

It took me several stops and starts to write this one. I'm stepping away form this for a while because I'm fading as I type this. I need to just back away.

The reality is... society doesn't have a clue what men shoulder. And they never will. And my reward from this society is a single label... "toxic".

I understand, believe me. Be gentle with yourself, and remember, if you ever want to talk, you can PM me. I don't know what the VA CBOCs are like where you are, but mine has been very kind to me; you can always look into that as well, but I'm not going to preach. :) Just know that you aren't alone, and know that even if nobody else does, I'll be praying for you. Blessings to you, brother.
 
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I'm not really sure that pointing out how common these traits are helps an argument that we shouldn't see them as a problem. Especially when you later write so eloquently about exactly how much a culture which insists on these traits has been harmful to you.



Sure. But the point here is, suppose something happens which means that's no longer possible. An injury, an infection, an illness, aging, whatever. If that means at that point you're seen as less of a man, less worthy, having less respect, and so on, that's where the problem is. The person who blames you for the problems of PTSD is an example of this kind of problem.



I rolled my eyes so hard my vision hasn't recovered yet. No, women don't choose men for protection. We choose men as life partners, who will share with us through life's ups and downs and be willing to work as a team through life's challenges.



The only women who need to behave this way are those who have been denied opportunities in their own lives. Women who have education, employment, and so on, are free to choose a man for reasons other than wealth or social power.



Anyone without meaning in life is a problem; but for boys in particular, when "meaning" is defined in very narrow ways, that sets many of them up to struggle, which is part of the problem of "toxic masculinity."



I find it fascinating that you've gone from "violence" to "manners." I'm not a fan of hunting or fishing, personally; and clearly I'm a Christian; but these things have nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

I think it is a misunderstanding for anyone to apply these terms to individuals, rather than to social trends. It's not right for anyone to label you, personally, as "toxic," and even though I disagree with you on some points in this thread, that is not in any sense an accusation from me.



Again, this is not saying that strength, or pursuing strength, is bad; it's about seeing men who don't fit that stereotype as less-than which is the problem.



Precisely. But again, seeing unhealthy aggression as a normal and necessary part of masculinity is where the problem is.



That's not what this is about; this is about gender-based hierarchy and rigid gender roles, often enforced by violence and threat.



Sadly, I can find lots of people on this site who would disagree.


And as you can see, this is the toxic feminism that this thread is trying to address.

Thanks for proving the point that it is real.
 
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Again, this is not saying that strength, or pursuing strength, is bad; it's about seeing men who don't fit that stereotype as less-than which is the problem.



Precisely. But again, seeing unhealthy aggression as a normal and necessary part of masculinity is where the problem is.



That's not what this is about; this is about gender-based hierarchy and rigid gender roles, often enforced by violence and threat.



Sadly, I can find lots of people on this site who would disagree.

1. First as someone who fights 3 times a week I can say that strength isn’t something that is always visible. As I have fought guys that didn’t have a six pack or was ripped yet did very well in the ring. But if they lay on the couch eating potatoes chips all day they’re not living their full potential regardless if they’re a man or woman.

2. Men are naturally more aggressive then women. So what is a healthy amount vs a unhealthy amount? Not talking crime or abuse (unless that’s your line). Many would define this differently and there’s the problem.

3. So basically Christians (Ephesians 5:22) or anyone who believes in traditional marriage. That’s a very narrow view and attacks lots of people who fought for women rights.
 
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And as you can see, this is the toxic feminism that this thread is trying to address.

What precisely in my post do you object to? That I dislike being patronised as someone who needs "protection," or something else?

Men are naturally more aggressive then women. So what is a healthy amount vs a unhealthy amount? Not talking crime or abuse (unless that’s your line). Many would define this differently and there’s the problem.

When the aggression starts creating problems for that person or those around them, that would be unhealthy, no?

So basically Christians (Ephesians 5:22) or anyone who believes in traditional marriage. That’s a very narrow view and attacks lots of people who fought for women rights.

I'm not attacking anyone. But research has shown that gender-based hierarchy and rigid gender roles are a causative factor for high rates of domestic violence. It's not a narrow view to see that that's a problem.
 
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What precisely in my post do you object to? That I dislike being patronised as someone who needs "protection," or something else


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Your post presence false facts about so-called patriarchy.

As in other threads, the patriarchy oppression of females by men is overblown and inaccurate.

Most couples have worked together to build a life and for most through history, this had to do with survival.

In today's society, males, especially white males are being treated as the evil that has caused the so-called injustices we see today. This is false.
 
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What precisely in my post do you object to? That I dislike being patronised as someone who needs "protection," or something else?



When the aggression starts creating problems for that person or those around them, that would be unhealthy, no?



I'm not attacking anyone. But research has shown that gendert-based hierarchy and rigid gender roles are a causative factor for high rates of domestic violence. It's not a narrow view to see that that's a problem.

1. Little more then 85% of our military are men and 87.5% of law enforcement that protect women are men. So yes men protect women more then women protect themselves. In relationships majority of women statistically will pick a man that is taller then themselves, why? Because women want a strong and tall man that can protect them. (If you want sources just ask, but it’s been well documented throughout history).

2. creating problems for themselves I agree. But offending others I wouldn’t care as I can’t please everyone.

3. You do know there are lots of Christians out there in traditional marriage that are biblical and do not abuse their spouse, right? My parents, grandparents and in my marriage I never abused my spouse. Domestic violence happens regardless of what type of marriage you’re in and statistically it hasn’t decreased due to the rise of other forms of partnerships/marriages.
 
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Your post presence false facts about so-called patriarchy.

If you want to debate the assertions, then by all means present evidence, rather than resorting to personal attack.

1. Little more then 85% of our military are men and 87.5% of law enforcement that protect women are men.

Even assuming that I agreed that the military "protect women," (I don't, but that's a side debate), that's still not the basis on which women choose their husbands. I chose my husband for his many good qualities, but the idea that he would need to "protect" me was not a consideration.

In relationships majority of women statistically will pick a man that is taller then themselves, why?

On average, women are shorter than men. Statistically, the pool of possible husbands who are not taller than me is... very small.

3. You do know there are lots of Christians out there in traditional marriage that are biblical and do not abuse their spouse, right?

Depending how you define traditional marriage, sure. Anyone who by traditional marriage, means a situation which denies women agency, that I would classify as abuse.

Domestic violence happens regardless of what type of marriage you’re in and statistically it hasn’t decreased due to the rise of other forms of partnerships/marriages.

My point was that you equated "anti-feminist behaviour" as things like opposing abortion. (I'm a feminist and I oppose abortion, for the record, so I think that shows a poor understanding of feminism, but that is again a side issue). I was pointing out that when it comes to toxic masculinity, anti-feminist behaviour is more about, basically, men controlling women. And there is a clear and demonstrated relationship between belief in gender-based hierarchy, rigid gender roles, and domestic violence. This does not characterise everyone who holds those beliefs, but it demonstrates why this is on a list of traits associated with toxic masculinity.
 
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If you want to debate the assertions, then by all means present evidence, rather than resorting to personal attack.

So when someone disagrees with you, it's a personal attack ?

I've presented plenty of articles by known psychologists who give the facts around
evolutional development and history of human beings. Nothing supports your
assertion that the problems women have is the result of oppressive male patriarchy.

You ignored the articles, but I didn't accuse you of attacking me.
 
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So when someone disagrees with you, it's a personal attack ?

When you accuse me of exemplifying toxic femininity, it is. Frankly that probably breaks CF's flaming rules.

Nothing supports your assertion that the problems women have is the result of oppressive male patriarchy.

No evidence?

Women and Illiteracy: The Interplay of Gender Subordination and Poverty on JSTOR

Why the majority of the world’s poor are women | Oxfam International

The gender gap in employment: What's holding women back?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1440783318791755

The Patriarchal Barrier to Women in Politics
 
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Try listening to Dr Jordon Peterson on the issue of patriarchy. It's quite revealing!

As if his work is evidence rather than opinion! I view him as one of a group of people who has perfected the art of being profitably controversial.
 
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Even assuming that I agreed that the military "protect women," (I don't, but that's a side debate), that's still not the basis on which women choose their husbands. I chose my husband for his many good qualities, but the idea that he would need to "protect" me was not a consideration.



On average, women are shorter than men. Statistically, the pool of possible husbands who are not taller than me is... very small.



Depending how you define traditional marriage, sure. Anyone who by traditional marriage, means a situation which denies women agency, that I would classify as abuse.

Not just the military, but the police as well. Majority of women will only date those who are taller and there are even studies on this fact.

Study Finds Women Prefer Taller Men

There’s A Scientific Reason Why Women Are Attracted To Taller Men

4 Solid Reasons Why Women Want Tall Men | Marriage.com

So is the biblical Christian view of marriage abuse?

(Ephesians 5:22-24,1 Peter 3:7, Colossians 3:18,1 Corinthians 11:3, Titus 2:5, 1 Timothy 2:11-12 just a half dozen of verses)

You focus lots on toxic masculinity, yet not on toxic femininity. The fact is today’s society men are the problem yet never look at women as being a problem. Sayings like “happy wife, happy life” is telling men don’t have to be happy to create a happy home. Men are the butt of the jokes in family guy and every comedy on television.
 
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As if his work is evidence rather than opinion! I view him as one of a group of people who has perfected the art of being profitably controversial.

Actually, DR Jordan Peterson presents data and facts not opinion. The same
goes for the guest he has interviewed, who are credible psychologists and
experts in their field.

The last part of your post on him being controversial is only according to people
who can't refute what he presents, so they just attack him.
 
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