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[Gold Dragon]

Ok, so let me ask you. Please be honest with me. Do you mean to tell me that Catholics in OBOB debate the fact that Ex-Catholics DON'T have the wisdom and the knowledge of the RCC they were brought up in? Meaning, because we are no longer catholic, we could not possibly know what we are talking about as far as RC doctrine goes?

Thanks
GEL

I would say that most ex-Catholics I have met usually have very incorrect and incomplete understandings of Catholic teachings and doctrines.

 

[BT]

I would say that most ex-Catholics I have met usually have very incorrect and incomplete understandings of Catholic teachings and doctrines.

Have we met?



Welcome back, where ya been?

 

[mesue]

Well, of course, many of us in OBOB would debate this point, but this is your forum and would not be the place to have this discussion. But if you would be interested in getting together sometime in the future to discuss and compare, I would be very open to doing this.


Peace

I would love to, in a peacable fashion that is neither here, in B/A or in OBOB. Someplace neutral and without conflict. It is not my desire to argue, but to discuss doctrine with God's word as the final authority. After all, it is He that inspired man, and not the other way around.

I would say that most ex-Catholics I have met usually have very incorrect and incomplete understandings of Catholic teachings and doctrines.

Most, good thing I'm not like most. I've been told the drummer I march to plays the Sax. But that was long ago and far away. I'm nearly normal now
I used to teach CCD from the Catechism of the Catholic Church © 1992. You want to know Catholic doctrine? Teach it. Same goes for the Bibile.

 

[mesue]

Hi Gel

I would be happy to answer your question honestly and as factually as I can from my perspective. Because I am answering your specific question, I do not want anyone to misconstrue it as debate in any way.

It has been my experience, after talking to many ex-Catholics, that when we talk about the Catholic faith, their understanding of the Catholic faith does not match up with the teaching of the Catholic Church in some fashion . . this is been my experience 100% of the time . . that does not mean that this is accross the board in all areas of the Catholic faith.

In speaking with other Catholics who talk to ex-Catholics, this has been their experience as well.

It is well known that catechesis last century, especially the later half, was quite poor in its content . . . people were able to excel in their catechetical classes, yet come out not understanding their Catholic faith very well.


This is all in answer to your very specific quesiton, not to debate anything anyone has said here . .just to help you understand better as you requested that I do.

It would be interesting to discuss this in more depth with any catholics and ex-catholics who would wish to at some future date.

I am very open to having someone demonstrate to me that my experience is skewed and not the norm.




Peace

How long have you been Catholic?

 

[thereselittleflower]

I would love to, in a peacable fashion that is neither here, in B/A or in OBOB. Someplace neutral and without conflict. It is not my desire to argue, but to discuss doctrine with God's word as the final authority. After all, it is He that inspired man, and not the other way around.

I would mostly agree with what you said above . . the only place I can think of that might be set up for such a discussion would be in the special area of GT . . where you can limit what groups can participate in the discussion . . . It is more designed to be designated for a particular congrational group here at CF, but I think we could make it work for what is being considered.

I agree . . I do not want it to be debative, but a peacable discussion. I think that is the better way to understand each other better.

The only point of difference I would have to what you suggested above is that of making the bible the final authority in our dicussions . . obviously, Catholics have a big problem with that and for what we perceive as good reason, for in reality, in the end, if we limited appeals to authority to the bible alone, all we would be discussing are various personal interpretations of the scriptures . .

What I am envisioning is more along the lines of "This is what the Catholic Church teaches" and examing our respective understanding of those teachings which would include examining what the bible has to say . .

Most, good thing I'm not like most. I've been told the drummer I march to plays the Sax. But that was long ago and far away. I'm nearly normal now
I used to teach CCD from the Catechism of the Catholic Church © 1992. You want to know Catholic doctrine? Teach it. Same goes for the Bibile.

It would be very interesting having this conversation I think.



Peace

 

[thereselittleflower]

How long have you been Catholic?

Officially?

a year.



Peace

 

[Terri]

I would say that most ex-Catholics I have met usually have very incorrect and incomplete understandings of Catholic teachings and doctrines.

Wow, it seems you believe that "if you disagree with it you must not understand it" myth. Well, it's a very useful myth if you can get people to buy it.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Wow, it seems you believe that "if you disagree with it you must not understand it" myth. Well, it's a very useful myth if you can get people to buy it.

Terri . . .can you tell me exactly who holds to this myth?


Peace

 

[GreenEyedLady]

I guess I can understand your answer TLF. The reason why it seems NOW that i do not "understand" the doctrine is because my final authority changed from the RCC to the bible. I understand ALOT of the doctrines and I don't think that I would be in the category of "she was a caferteria catholic" I cannot say I have the knowledge that Mesue has, but I know that I am not ignorant of the doctrines. I would like to join you in a discussion on the dotrines somewhere netural as well. Name it, I will be there!

GD,
I have to disagree with you on that one. Many Ex-Catholics I know have a full understanding of what the doctrines mean. The thing is, you just cannot support most of the doctrines with scripture. Its just not possible because there is so much tradition. So, I don't think its they they do not understand it, its just that thier final authority is now differant.

GEL

 

[aReformedPatriot]

I bought a rosary today.

 

[Lockheed]

you know, except for one line in the chaplet (which I ammend), I like the chaplet of divine mercy a lot. I wouldnt direct it in devotion to mary either but God our father.

In anycase, I was in a catholic supply shop so I figured I might as well buy one and learn about it.

Why exactly are you investigating Catholicism?

 

[Iollain]

I bought a rosary today.

I would not allow one of those in my house.

I don't allow ouija boards in the house either.

 

[Ginny]

Iollain-

They are both man made. I understand your feelings. I will not look for answers or lean upon anyone else's understanding but Jesus. Holding any material made on this earth will not make me any closer to God or make me feel any closer or more comforted in talking to Him.

 

[Ginny]

Matthew 6:7
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

I think God enjoys when we speak to Him with our own hearts rather than repeat someone else's prayer that was made up. Even if I wrote my own prayer, God would not be satisfied if I repeated it. I cannot understand how God can give us instruction on how to pray and who alone needs to be prayed to, but yet individuals still pray to others. There is a difference in asking a friend/family to pray for you ... Just as Aunt Betty in heaven does not relay my prayers in Heaven to God, neither does anyone else. And why is it necessary? I am granted the right to go straight to Him. And who cares what my opinion is anyway? God already tells you what to do in the Bible..and it does not include Mary or any other saint. If it were that important to be such a focused part of your spiritual life...would God not have told us? Does anyone think about that? I don't get it.

WIth all the denominations and all the people in the world stating that God directs them where to belong...how do so many of us end up in such vastly diverse places? God is not double minded. It reminds me of a time when a Mormon came to our front door and we argued a bit...and he was so determined that God led him to that house of believers.... How does this happen?

 

[GreenEyedLady]

It reminds me of a time when a Mormon came to our front door and we argued a bit...and he was so determined that God led him to that house of believers.... How does this happen?

Its ALOT of false doctrine.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Satan will do whatever it takes to take the TRUE Gospel out of any church. He does not want to see anyone saved, and when one does get saved, he will do whatever it takes to fight them in doing the Lords will. Its a battle. Get ready to fight!

GEL

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Why exactly are you investigating Catholicism?

Personal Interest of mine. I want to write a book that argues against their doctrine sometime. Though I don't know when I'll ever get the time!

I would not allow one of those in my house.

I don't allow ouija boards in the house either.

Haha

I respect that. Part of me feels like I now have an idol sitting on my desk in the image of Christ. I bought it so I can understand the "how-to" of the rosary. I am a visual learner so it helps to hold it.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I bought it so I can understand the "how-to" of the rosary. I am a visual learner so it helps to hold it.

Well, first of all, good for you for not giving into superstitious beliefs that somehow even having one in your possession is "bad".

Now . . if you really want to understand the use of a Rosary, may I recommend that you go all out and have yours blessed by a Catholic Priest.



Peace

 

[eldermike]

Well, first of all, good for you for not giving into superstitious beliefs that somehow even having one in your possession is "bad".

Now . . if you really want to understand the use of a Rosary, may I recommend that you go all out and have yours blessed by a Catholic Priest.

 

[Lockheed]

Personal Interest of mine. I want to write a book that argues against their doctrine sometime. Though I don't know when I'll ever get the time!



Haha

I respect that. Part of me feels like I now have an idol sitting on my desk in the image of Christ. I bought it so I can understand the "how-to" of the rosary. I am a visual learner so it helps to hold it.

And to pray the Hail Mary? So much for walking by faith and not by sight.

 

[eldermike]

The cross and the fish are a sign to the world, it says "a christian lives here", so to speak.