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Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

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Well, I count you as YEC because you assert the earth has no actual billions of years of age but was created 6000 years ago with embedded age. So that's enough for me to give you the name.
You'll end up confusing yourself, too.

And for the record, for someone who doesn't say what he is, you have some nerve telling others what they are.
 
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You'll end up confusing yourself, too.

And for the record, for someone who doesn't say what he is in his profile, you have some nerve telling others what they are.
 
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You'll end up confusing yourself, too.

And for the record, for someone who doesn't say what he is, you have some nerve telling others what they are.

Well its more like not allowing you to confuse me. Its perfectly true that you don't believe the earth has actually orbited the sun more than 6 or 10 thousand times . . . . isn't it?
 
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Come to think of it, although I did mean Japan and China, since the continental separation was likely post flood, the continents are also!!
 
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Huh? Mars has a gravity engine that can/did stall?

Mars is just smaller and therefore of less gravity, that's all.


source: http://www.universetoday.com/14859/gravity-on-mars/


Nowhere... do I see mention of an active iron core within Mars
nor, what 'difference' it could make to gravity field on Mars

So the Moon, which is smaller still, has more 'gravity' than Mars (?)

 
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Where did the oxygen come from, for mars, which is in space, has no atmosphere, to oxidize the iron?
Almost makes one wonder if either the water came from earth...or

Things were different at one time on Mars?
 
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Yes, hominids used tools for hundreds of thousands, even millions of years ago. Quite interesting. All that time when various 'species' came and went of early 'humans'. I've always enjoyed this science. Especially knowing that God created each species down through time, as they came, and went, as species always do. Especially Adam and Eve and their descendents after their kind 6000 years ago in Mesopotamia somewhere, as recorded in Genesis. This is of course, the most incredible story of all, and how THEY'VE taken the world by storm, and now have filled it, even clear across from the east, even unto the west coasts, and the Islands afar. Just as He said He would spread His Word in us. Certainly the Word of God is the most incredible revelation to us of this last 6000 years, and the ultimate crowning achievement of God's intent with this planet. Then will the asteroid hit. Then is the end, when God is all in all.
 
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Yes, hominids used tools for hundreds of thousands, even millions of years ago. Quite interesting.
So they say. However the reasons they claim those ages happen to be only belief based.

All that time when various 'species' came and went of early 'humans'. I've always enjoyed this science. Especially knowing that God created each species down through time, as they came, and went, as species always do.

I thought that creation was finished by Genesis chapter two, so that any new species that came from the originals likely adapted and changed, or 'evolved'. For example say there are 30 species of tigers now...all from the one on the ark.


I suspect that it was after the flood when the huge land mass split apart and divided into the present continents. It is almost certain that what was once the garden of Eden would now be displaced, and maybe impossible to pinpoint. Since, for example Israel also moved, it is possible that present day Israel was much closer to the land where the Tigris and other rivers or what is left of them are! In other words, for all we know Eden could be close to where the temple mount now is.
Then will the asteroid hit. Then is the end, when God is all in all.

There is coming an end to this world we know, that is certain. A lot more than just an asteroid is heading here!
 
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Actually they use proven dating processes.
And the flood was only 5000 or so years ago. No land masses altered then and no tigers evolved from one species into a bunch of other tiger species 5000 years ago... did you say that? Nothing has ever "evolved". And God has been obviously creating new species over and over down through time. We have an incredible record of it in archaeology. Yes that is recorded in Genesis in a "day form" (not 24 hours of course). I think maybe from your answer, you don't understand that life has been around for millions of years?
If not, that would be a "belief based" statement contrary to evidence. I wouldn't say that. I go by evidence, and the Word of God. A "day" is not always a "day" my friend...
 
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Actually the process is not proven in any way. You were misinformed. The whole thing depends on present state laws that result in things like radioactive decay having existed in Adam or Noah's day. That is a belief and cannot be proven. There is no need to do mental gymnastics with the simple meaning of scripture.
 
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If you just suggested that the laws of physics have been changed in a 5000 year period, just to prove the carbon dating process wrong, then you get an "F" in every class and flunk the entire year my friend Talk about "mental" gymnastics, whoa haha!
 
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The bible suggests big differences I that day. God doesn't flunk. It is not just decay dating that would be affected by a whole different nature, but evolution rates, plant growth, lifespans etc.

Since science cannot prove a same state past, that means there is no reason to doubt God.
 
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I don't doubt God one iota. You just believe falsely that someone told you that a day with the Lord is twenty four hours. God didn't make that mistake. You did. That's why you are all confuse, bypassing intelligence with blind faith. That makes all Christians look bad. You have the right idea, you just need to learn what a "day" is. Start here...

(2Pe 3:8) But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Try not to FORGET THIS...
 
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I don't doubt God one iota. You just believe falsely that someone told you that a day with the Lord is twenty four hours.

I never discussed that with you. Not an issue here. The issue is whether God gave us Scripture. The issue is your claim that science has reliable dating, that is based on something other than belief. You are wrong, simply confess.

You have the right idea, you just need to learn what a "day" is. Start here...

(2Pe 3:8) But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Try not to FORGET THIS...
The issue is not what a day is to the Lord. The issue is what a day is here and to man, which happens to be who He gave Scripture to!
 
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Come to think of it, although I did mean Japan and China, since the continental separation was likely post flood, the continents are also!!
The flood Your talking about caused the break up of Pangaea.
 
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The flood Your talking about caused the break up of Pangaea.
Well maybe. Maybe not. It seems to me that a better timing for the rapid breakup of that big land mass would be after the floood. How else do we explain migration patterns, and how animals got certain places etc? What was the mechanism for a worldwide breakup by a flood??

I mean if we flood some valley or town it doesn't mean it splits in 6 parts does it? What about the heat that would produce, the world would be steamed to death would it not? You need more than a fly by comment here.
 
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How does a flood break up a supercontinent? What about the other supercontinents that have existed - were they broken up by floods as well?
I see you also thought of those things.

Now for the separation that was somehow triggered by the change in fundamental forces and laws, I could think of some possible mechanisms. It also would explain why life wasn't steamed to death.

Oh, by the way I see you cite other supercontinents. Evidence? I think poor little so called science might be getting a little confused. The other time land and water was moved was in creation week. In both cases there was no killing heat by the way, indicating to me that the former nature was in place.
 
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I thought that creation was finished by Genesis chapter two, so that any new species that came from the originals likely adapted and changed, or 'evolved'.
For example say there are 30 species of tigers now...all from the one on the ark.

So, you admit, that lifeforms DO EVOLVE ?

Surely you meant to say "FROM THE TWO ON THE ARK" ?

dad said:
There is coming an end to this world we know, that is certain. A lot more than just an asteroid is heading here!

So you believe !!

The bible tells us, that the world is forever / His world without end

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow...y-about-how-the-world-will-end/#ixzz3f2l7t6op
 
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okay dad
All along I have said; that chronology is the basis for your 'arguments'
God made the world in six days, and on the last day He 'created mankind'
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel,
and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”

So, when was the moon created ?

Let me help you

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  1. 4.5 billion years ago
  2. The moon was formed ~4.5 billion years ago, about 30–50 million years after the origin of the Solar System, out of debris thrown into orbit by a massive collision between a smaller proto-Earth and another planetoid, about the size of Mars.
  3. NASA scientist Jen Heldmann describes how the Earth's moon
    sservi.nasa.gov/.../nasa-scientist-jen-heldmann-describes-how-the-earths-mo...





In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:

Periodic extinctions have temporarily reduced diversity, eliminating:
 
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