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oh come on, churches, missionaries and christian radio stations (among other things) need money to do their work, we should support them. the early church gave all they had and it was shared amongst the community. if you think the organization is doing well, you should support them. i dont need to find it in the bible, its common sence, God may be doing the actions, but hes doing it through us, and we need money to work. you're doing no good by refusing to support them.
today I eard God telling me that the Bible is the word of God that in it we have all the true revelation and that those denyimg that are sons of evil confusing His real sons (those doing His word the Bible)
that is a direct revelation from God to me con cerning all christians of the globe.
As you can see, "God is saying.." is an excuse for all kind of deviations and crazy doctrines. If "the Bible says..." does not count, any of us can pretend - as I just did - to have a direct revelation of God.
But the botton line is IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE VERSE THAT TEACH A CHRISTIAN TO TITHE. Everything else is human talking. Also, in the entire Bible there is not a single verse teching christians to sacrifise cats and dog to God. ¿Why nobody is creating such a doctrine? ¿Why nobady teach to kill cats and dogs as christian doctrine? The same question is ¿why creating a tithe doctrine out of nothing?
The answer is that killing cats and dog will afect christian churches very badly; but insted, christians churches need very badly to get more and more money.
Can I ask why you don't pay much tax?
I give beyond the tithe, so am not subject to the governmental God-directed restitution penalty of high taxes.
I give beyond the tithe, so am not subject to the governmental God-directed restitution penalty of high taxes. God provides amply for me without entangling me much in the nasty business with "unequal weights and measures" the abomination known as "dollars." To keep the peace, I do a few things with "coins from a fish's mouth." And, as a still unprofitable servant of "little faith," there is still plenty to repent of. Perhaps that repentance frees me from the Lord's judgement of tax penalties. He does provide "loopholes" for the faithful, you know.
Now I've heard everything!
The Lord's tithe was a PAYMENT. The Israelites didn't give a tithe, they PAID a tithe. Yet they also had to pay the Temple Tax (Tribute in KJV). And don't forget, they had THREE different tithes they were commanded to follow.
You speak in riddles. Either that or you are trying to misdirect and misdirection implies an agenda. What that agenda could be I can't be sure of unless it's just that you can't explain why you trust that the promise in Malachi 3:10 applies to you yet your income is so low you hardly pay any tax.
Malachi 3:10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,
Says the LORD of hosts,
If I will not open for you the windows of heaven
And pour out for you such blessing
That there will not be room enough to receive it.
Paul actually worked as a tent maker to finance his ministry. No where in new testament does it say we are to tithe. Don't allow me to discourage you to give generously to a a worthy cause. We are no longer under the Law, but under Grace. The Catholic Church were the first to implement the requirement of tithing after Christ death.
JESUS
oh come on, churches, missionaries and christian radio stations (among other things) need money to do their work, we should support them. the early church gave all they had and it was shared amongst the community. if you think the organization is doing well, you should support them. i dont need to find it in the bible, its common sence, God may be doing the actions, but hes doing it through us, and we need money to work. you're doing no good by refusing to support them.
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Surely you distinguish heavenly and earthly treasures?
Of course. I don't disagree with most of the other sentiments you expressed in your last post either. The context of Malachi 3 though is physical blessing and earthly providence not esoteric blessing.
Right. Unbelievers close to the kingdom of God often need this. Peter was instructed how to fill his boat with fisn, before he got it, to leave all that behind to seek the Lord Himself.
The civil government concerns itself with worldly prosperity, and working in accordance with the spiritual rules that apply, including tithing, will succeed. Those coming into such material prosperity, like Peter, will be readier for the call to the kingdom of heaven.
But believers have a different agenda. When Peter said "silver and gold have I none" he was proclaiming greater riches than these.
1. I still know of no one who had tested God with tithing according to Malachi, and not seen a miraculous increase in prosperity.
2. That passage says that not tithing releases "the devourer" in the land. so, not tithing is why we have so much demonic activity in the land.
3. Not tithing is supposedly stealing from God, who controls the government. The punishment for stealing is to pay back four-fold what was stolen. So, God's government taxes non-tithers four fold what is not tithed (or given.) Hence our current tax rates.
4. This is just, because the government has to deal with crime, or other demonic activity. Non-tithers cause more of this, more expense to the government.
5. People are poor because they are stealing from God. All tithers prosper. Poor people getting charity ought to be told why they are poor, and exhorted to test God as he says, to start prospering. Hence, charity ought never to be a non-religious government activity. When the churches are solely responsible for charity, they can teach those seeking help how to prosper in God.
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Third, the law is a tutor to lead to Christ, and our righteousness must exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees for us to truly receive salvation. Jesus commended them for at least tithing. A "by this you know" which we look at to "be sure of our calling and election," is our giving. Believers ought not tithe, but they ought to be giving way above the tithe. If they are not, they ought to question their salvation ......
I don't disagree with the general thrust of what you're now saying. It seems you've come a long way from comments you made earlier in the thread that prompted me to become involved. Comments like;
Your testimony OTOH is that you've tested God in this and yet your income is so low you hardly pay any tax.
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