Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[trophy33]

The topic at that point was why I don't want to talk to you. So? Take care....

Sure, run from the question again.

 

[ozso]

No. They are part of us if in the heart, mind and mouth. It is no longer I in respect to ourselves we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, We are dead, but live, Yet not us but Christ Jesus. And the life we now live we live by the faith of Christ, We have put on Christ. We don't obey because we have to, we do because we want to due to the new heart that is of and through Christ.

What is your position on SDA theology? Because that's what's being argued in this thread.

This is based on the notion in SDA theology that "Sunday worship is primarily sinful. It is the wrong day to worship God on. Sunday is pagan. It is the day that has been basically handed over to the Roman Catholic Church and Satan. It belongs to them and worshipping God on that day by proxy (one is inadvertently paying homage to Roman Catholicism or worshipping the Devil).

 

[ozso]

Deut 30:10-14

Does Deuteronomy 30:10-14 cancel out Leviticus 19:37?

 

[HIM]

Does Deuteronomy 30:10-14 cancel out Leviticus 19:37?

Deut 30:10-014 says commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law, the Word is in our heart and mouth. Ordinances and judements are not mentioned. Lev 19 makes no mention of anything being in the heart and mouth. Deut. 30:10-14 which is the New Covenant, the Word in our hearts that we do it, is being given prior to Israel entering the promised land. The land of Milk and honey.

 

[HIM]

What is your position on SDA theology? Because that's what's being argued in this thread.

Never cared about anyone's theology except God's. Everyone likes boxes and labels. Not interested in any of that.

 

[ozso]

Never cared about anyone's theology except God's. Everyone likes boxes and labels. Not interested in any of that.

And what's God's theology regarding Christians keeping the seventh day sabbath and the dietary laws in Leviticus 11?

 

[Leaf473]

Good morning, Everyone! Looks like the thread was really active l while I was sleeping.

I plan to go through the posts slowly and carefully, one by one. I think it's a really important topic, whether or not there is a reasonable way to divide up the entire law.

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 4:29 - New Century Version

When you talk, do not say harmful things, but say what people need—words that will help others become stronger. Then what you say will do good to those who listen to you.

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[Leaf473]

That's not necessary since Deut 29:1 and 30:10-14 is a about all of the laws written in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

If you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 30:10

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37.

So those who are under the Law must keep all of the Law, every single one of the hundreds of the commands of the Law.

That's my impression too, from those passages. I thought @HIM was in favor of keeping only some parts of the law of Moses, so I'm curious and interested to see how this plays out.

 

[BobRyan]

I'm struggling as it were to get a straight answer to a direct question.

because you keep dodging step 1. The TEN.

You ask for a list and it starts with Deut 5:22 - the TEN which you seem to want to reject.
The fact that it is the TEN and also Lev 19:18, and also Deut 6:5 as Jesus points out in Matt 22 and that "ALL scripture is inspired by God and to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16 puts your suggestions in a bad spot, since to start by rejecting scripture is to never get off of square 1.

That's my impression too, from those passages. I thought @HIM was in favor of keeping only some parts of the law of Moses, so I'm curious and interested to see how this plays out.

People that say they reject the TEN as stated in scripture - often seek to find ways to discuss "something else...anything else" when the TEN come up as the subject.

I find it interesting that those same people find it very difficult to address the title of the thread, the OP etc in their interest to talk about something "else".

 

[BobRyan]

The topic at that point was why I don't want to talk to you. So? Take care....

In fact the topic of this thread is far from what some who post here are willing to even discuss.

 

[BobRyan]

So give me the list of commandments we must keep today from the Old Testament.

Starting with the TEN, and the subject of this thread.

See Deut 5:22, Rev 14:12, 1 Cor 7:19, 1 John 5:3, James 2, Mark 7:6-13

Just excuses, again.

You rather write four lines of reasoning why you will not give us the time for the answer instead of giving us the answer.

consider the title of this thread and answering the question put to you in the OP.

 

[Leaf473]

@BobRyan @Freth @HIM @Studyman @HARK! @Soyeong @All

Happy Sabbath! I hope you all have a very blessed day!

Thank you, may the Lord bless you and keep you!

 

[ozso]

because you keep dodging step 1. The TEN.

You ask for a list and it starts with Deut 5:22 - the TEN which you seem to want to reject.
The fact that it is the TEN and also Lev 19:18, and also Deut 6:5 as Jesus points out in Matt 22 and that "ALL scripture is inspired by God and to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16 puts your suggestions in a bad spot, since to start by rejecting scripture is to never get off of square 1.

Nope I keep the 10, including the 4th, which I've stated numerous times. The question is, what other commandments are to be kept in addition to the 10 and part of Leviticus 11? Are you going to give a straight answer this time or keep evading?

 

[Leaf473]

We started with the TEN in Deut 5:22, but you found that to be a bit difficult to accept. Is it your view that you prefer something even easier?

No, I didn't find it difficult to accept.

We all want a theology that deals with the entire bible, do we not? A theology that can only deal with parts of the scriptures isn't going to work.

If you ask why talk about other things to people who don't accept your view of the 10, the first answer is that this is a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss things beyond the 10, that's fine. I definitely do.

The second reason is because all scripture is beneficial. Ask me to post scriptures on a subject, I'll do my best to do it. That's what I'm asking you to do ❤️

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Timothy 3:16 - Contemporary English Version

Everything in the Scriptures is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live.

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[BobRyan]

Would you be willing to say where the scripture passages are found that contain the instructions from the Old Testament that we are to keep today?

We started with the TEN in Deut 5:22, but you found that to be a bit difficult to accept. Is it your view that you prefer something even easier?

No, I didn't find it difficult to accept.

On the contrary you claim to reject the TEN as stated in scripture - in your own post on that point.
So then having rejected the TEN by your own statement - you want to find "more"??

We all want a theology that deals with the entire bible, do we not?

True. It is in the Bible that we find the TEN. and it is in the TEN that we find the Sabbath commandment and it is in the Sabbath commandment details that we find the topic of this thread.

 

[Leaf473]

It seems to be a matter of strictly adhering to a doctrine, and therefore not being able to answer questions outside the limits of that doctrine.

One would also expect that within seventh day observant groups, scholars would have come up with lists already. But I haven't found one.

Observant Jews are known for carefully observing the seventh day. They have a list. I don't agree with it, but I applaud the attempt that they made

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/756399/jewish/The-613-Commandments-Mitzvot.htm

 

[BobRyan]

Nope I keep the 10, including the 4th, which I've stated numerous times.

Then what is your response to the Title of the thread?

 

[BobRyan]

One would also expect that within seventh day observant groups, scholars would have come up with lists already.

Is that the topic of this thread?

 

[Leaf473]

When you try to publicly teach in Christian forums that we are to keep the commandments of the Old Testament (but just some), you should be also able to tell us which ones, without evasions.

Seems exceedingly reasonable, especially in a discussion forum

 

[BobRyan]

Nope I keep the 10, including the 4th, which I've stated numerous times. The question is, what other commandments are to be kept in addition to the 10 and part of Leviticus 11? Are you going to give a straight answer this time or keep evading?

is that the topic of the thread?