Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[Servus]

Here's the part about heart and mouth:

Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 30:14 - New American Standard Bible

On the contrary, the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may follow it.

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How does that tell us which instructions to keep using the process that you are advocating?


I agree! When discussing the theory of law keeping, the discussion can go round and round. I think it would be great if you would do a demonstration, pick some instructions from the law of Moses and show us how the process you're talking about works on those instructions.
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I'll give you a real life example in a different area. I had a headlight burn out on my car. In the old days, you unscrewed the headlight holder from the front of the car. It would have done me no good to say, "Take out the old headlight, and put in the new one." There were no screws to access from the front to remove the headlight like you did on my old '67 Ford or '76 Toyota

So I went on YouTube and put in the year, make, and model of my car. Then I watched someone change a headlight. Ooohhh... You open the hood and go at it from the back. And that thingy there twists off, there's no screws!

Now, I'm a fairly mechanical person. I've done tune-ups and a valve job on my old Toyota. And I've assembled a computer from scratch. But I stared and poked around at my modern car headlight and didn't see any way to change it.

In a similar way, I have stared at the passages you're talking about and tried to apply them. It doesn't work. I'm not saying the scripture doesn't work, but the process that you're talking about doesn't say keep this law and don't keep that law.

But maybe I'm wrong. How about doing a demonstration and showing us?

That's not necessary since Deut 29:1 and 30:10-14 is a about all of the laws written in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

If you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 30:10

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37.

So those who are under the Law must keep all of the Law, every single one of the hundreds of the commands of the Law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

His health laws etc. What's included in the etc? Surely that's been established by now, rather than that information being some mystery held in secret by those who are able to handle it.

It’s not a mystery, but most commandments fall under an umbrella of the Ten Commandments- if we don’t keep the basics it would make understanding scripture really difficult. God’s righteousness is for everyone because He knows what’s best for us and would not ask us to do something unless it is for our own good. 1 John 5:3

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Amen. The Problem for most is that they have not the faith. When told to leave their country and family they will ask why. When told they must sacrifice themselves in sacrificing there only son they will ask why. In asking they will ask themselves why out of doing what God intended. We ask why as if we need to understand before doing. We are to do as the Spirit leads. Not ask why or come up with excuses not to. That is not faith.

God is so patient with us and long suffering, but He tells us what is going to happen a head of time because He loves us, but people still don’t believe His Words. They believe in Him, but not enough to do and somehow convinced themselves they don’t need to despite the very Words of Jesus John 14:15, Matthew 15:3-9 Mat 19:17:19, Matthew 5:19-30 1 John 2:6

 

[SabbathBlessings]

@BobRyan @Freth @HIM @Studyman @HARK! @Soyeong @All

Happy Sabbath! I hope you all have a very blessed day!

 

[HIM]

@BobRyan @Freth @HIM @Studyman @HARK! @Soyeong @All

Happy Sabbath! I hope you all have a very blessed day!

Happy Sabbath to you as well. May the Lord our God continue bless in all His Way, Jesus Christ

 

[Freth]

@BobRyan @Freth @HIM @Studyman @HARK! @Soyeong @All

Happy Sabbath! I hope you all have a very blessed day!

Happy Sabbath SB!

 

[BobRyan]

@BobRyan @Freth @HIM @Studyman @HARK! @Soyeong @All

Happy Sabbath! I hope you all have a very blessed day!

Happy Sabbath!!

 

[BobRyan]

I can't help but take notice of the fact that if asked about keeping the Sabbath or eating a porkchop, there's not shortage of answers and teaching.

But suddenly with this question it's, "The answer is there. No sense in anyone telling you. Bye"

If we ever got to the point where someone who was opposing the Bible Sabbath could get past rejecting that Bible teaching and finally get to one of those other topics, having accepted scripture on the former - we would be having a different conversation

 

[BobRyan]

Would you be willing to say where the scripture passages are found that contain the instructions from the Old Testament that we are to keep today?

We started with the TEN in Deut 5:22, but you found that to be a bit difficult to accept. Is it your view that you prefer something even easier?

 

[BobRyan]

I'm not asking why, I'm asking what. As in what laws in the Torah are still supposed to be obeyed?

Let's start simple and then work our way from there.

THE TEN - Deut 5:22

I know I'll get a precise answer to that regarding the laws of which animals are clean and unclean to eat

Ok - Lev 11

. But what about the rest of the laws in the Torah that are still supposed to be kept? What are they?

There are fewer than the 1050 list in the NT..

So are you still struggling back there on Deut 5:22 and Eph 6:2??

 

[HIM]

That's not necessary since Deut 29:1 and 30:10-14 is a about all of the laws written in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

The fact it is the first time the New Covenant is mentioned, and it is mentioned in the present tense escaped your notice? Or maybe the importance of that fact wasn't worthy enough to you to make mention?

Do you know the difference between commandments, statutes and ordinances and judgments? What is mentioned in Deut 30:10-14 and what isn't?

 

[HIM]

God is so patient with us and long suffering, but He tells us what is going to happen a head of time because He loves us, but people still don’t believe His Words. They believe in Him, but not enough to do and somehow convinced themselves they don’t need to despite the very Words of Jesus John 14:15, Matthew 15:3-9 Mat 19:17:19, Matthew 5:19-30 1 John 2:6

Amen my friend.
Those of the Faith do whether they understand or not. When told to leave their country and family they will NOT ask why. When told they must sacrifice themselves in sacrificing there only son they will NOT ask why. All is needed is a thus saith the Lord and they will be doing what God intended. We will NOT ask why as if we need to understand before doing. We Will do as the Spirit leads. That is faith. Faith will be even unto death. God thank you for this gift of faith and your strength and wisdom to get us through amen

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those of the Faith do whether they understand or not. When told to leave their country and family they will NOT ask why. When told they must sacrifice themselves in sacrificing there only son they will NOT ask why. All is needed is a thus saith the Lord and they will be doing what God intended. We will NOT ask why as if we need to understand before doing. We Will do as the Spirit leads. That is faith. Faith will be even unto death. God thank you for this gift of faith and your strength and wisdom to get us through amen

It’s true like Abraham with Isaac, he didn’t ask God why, He didn't; compare all the laws before deciding if he was going to obey, he just trusted God and obeyed.

 

[HIM]

God is so patient with us and long suffering,

And these things were written for our ensamples and for an admonition take heed lest we fall.


1Cor 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Cor 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Cor 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[HisPrinces]

I'm not asking why, I'm asking what. As in what laws in the Torah are still supposed to be obeyed? I know I'll get a precise answer to that regarding the laws of which animals are clean and unclean to eat. But what about the rest of the laws in the Torah that are still supposed to be kept? What are they?

 

[Servus]

The fact it is the first time the New Covenant is mentioned, and it is mentioned in the present tense escaped your notice? Or maybe the importance of that fact wasn't worthy enough to you to make mention?

At the time that was written the Old Covenant was a new covenant.

Do you know the difference between commandments, statutes and ordinances and judgments? What is mentioned in Deut 30:10-14 and what isn't?

They are all to be obeyed according to God.

Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:37

 

[HIM]

At the time that was written the Old Covenant was a new covenant.

They are all to be obeyed according to God.

Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord. Leviticus 19:37

That is not the old covenant being spoken. Read 29:1 again.

 

[Servus]

It’s not a mystery, but most commandments fall under an umbrella of the Ten Commandments- if we don’t keep the basics it would make understanding scripture really difficult. God’s righteousness is for everyone because He knows what’s best for us and would not ask us to do something unless it is for our own good. 1 John 5:3

But you can't list all of the Laws of the Torah we're supposed to keep.

 

[Servus]

If we ever got to the point where someone who was opposing the Bible Sabbath could get past rejecting that Bible teaching and finally get to one of those other topics, having accepted scripture on the former - we would be having a different conversation

Apparently you also can't list the Laws of the Torah that we're supposed to still keep, beyond the Sabbath and what's clean and unclean to eat.

 

[Servus]

Let's start simple and then work our way from there.

THE TEN - Deut 5:22

Ok - Lev 11

There are fewer than the 1050 list in the NT..

So are you still struggling back there on Deut 5:22 and Eph 6:2??

I'm struggling as it were to get a straight answer to a direct question.