Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

[SabbathBlessings]

But you can't list all of the Laws of the Torah we're supposed to keep.

There are lots of laws, not everything is a commandment and Paul very clearly contrasts the different laws….

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

A similar text is found in the Old Testament

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.

We know for certain the Ten Commandments are included in the commandments of God Exodus 20:6 and Jesus quotes from them often telling us not to break the least of them. Matthew 5:19-30

As stated a few times why don’t you start with the Ten Commandments and earnestly seek to keep, it’s not so complicated but if one doesn’t want to keep the basic Ten, why would one want to even bother with the other laws. James quoted not from the other laws saying if you break one you break them all, he quoted from the Ten. James 2:10-12 Only the Ten are inside the ark of the covenant and in heaven Revelation 11:19, only the Ten were personally written by God- this is God’s eternal law that go much deeper than just what is written as Jesus explains Matthew 5:21-30. Yes, there are other laws to keep aside from the Ten, like the greatest commandments which is a summary of the Ten, health laws, tithing and many others, and laws we no longer keep because the scriptures tell us like circumcision, the annual feast day ordinances, the sacrificial laws that point to Jesus Col 2:14-17 KJV Hebrews 10:1-10 but we can only understand the scriptures if we are led by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments and to those who obey. You’re free to be distracted by the theory if I don’t understand every single law than I don‘t need to keep any or don’t need to keep the basic Ten, many have this view, but in my humble opinion is a dangerous way of thinking. Revelation 22:15 1 John 2:4 Matthew 7:21-23 compared to Revelation 22:14 Revelation 14:12, 1 John 2:3 Isaiah 48:18

 

[ozso]

There are lots of laws, not everything is a commandment and Paul very clearly contrasts the different laws….

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

A similar text is found in the Old Testament

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all.

We know for certain the Ten Commandments are included in the commandments of God Exodus 20:6 and Jesus quotes from them often telling us not to break the least of them. Matthew 5:19-30

As stated a few times why don’t you start with the Ten Commandments and earnestly seek to keep, it’s not so complicated but if one doesn’t want to keep the basic Ten, why would one want to even bother with the other laws. James quoted not from the other laws saying if you break one you break them all, he quoted from the Ten. James 2:10-12 Only the Ten are inside the ark of the covenant and in heaven Revelation 11:19, only the Ten were personally written by God- this is God’s eternal law that go much deeper than just what is written as Jesus explains Matthew 5:21-30. Yes, there are other laws to keep aside from the Ten, like the greatest commandments which is a summary of the Ten, health laws, tithing and many others, and laws we no longer keep because the scriptures tell us like circumcision, the annual feast day ordinances, the sacrificial laws that point to Jesus Col 2:14-17 KJV Hebrews 10:1-10 but we can only understand the scriptures if we are led by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments and to those who obey. You’re free to be distracted by the theory if I don’t understand every single law than I don‘t need to keep any or don’t need to keep the basic Ten, many have this view, but in my humble opinion is a dangerous way of thinking. Revelation 22:15 1 John 2:4 Matthew 7:21-23 compared to Revelation 22:14 Revelation 14:12, 1 John 2:3 Isaiah 48:18

Still no actual answer to the question. Which was asked to see if those saying we are still under the law of the Torah, know what those laws are and keep them.

 

[trophy33]

Still no actual answer to the question. Which was asked to see if those saying we are still under the law of the Torah, know what those laws are and keep them.

Obviously. A lot of words, questions, evasions, even rudeness, but no actual list or clear key that can be applied to all the Old Testament instructions for the decision if its a "commandment" or an "ordinance".

Edit: English

 

[ozso]

Obviously. A lot of words, questions, evasions, even rudeness, but no actual list or clear key that can be applied to all the Old Testament instructions for the decision it its a "commandment" or an "ordinance".

It seems to be a matter of strictly adhering to a doctrine, and therefore not being able to answer questions outside the limits of that doctrine.

 

[HIM]

Still no actual answer to the question. Which was asked to see if those saying we are still under the law of the Torah, know what those laws are and keep them.

No one here that I am aware of says we are under the law of the Torah. The new covenant is God putting His laws, the Torah. the word in the heart, mind and mouth through Christ and His Spirit through God. That is the faith that is being preach and has been preach since Moses in Deut 29:1. 30:10-14,.

 

[HIM]

Obviously. A lot of words, questions, evasions, even rudeness, but no actual list or clear key that can be applied to all the Old Testament instructions for the decision if its a "commandment" or an "ordinance".

Edit: English

Rudeness? No you don't believe the Creation account, Or that Adam, Eve were the first humans and all of humanity came from them, Or the account of Noah and the flood like Jesus knew. Most of the Old Testament according to you is fables or isolated events that only apply to Israel. So there is no real reason to even give you the time of day and explain things to you In my honest opinion. Because you just discredit the Bible.

And there is a difference between commandments, statutes, ordinances and judgements, Ordinances and judgements are not mentioned as being in the heart in Deut 30:10-14. Which is the first time that the New Covenant is given verbally

 

[trophy33]

Rudeness? No you don't believe the Creation account, Or that Adam, Eve were the first humans and all of humanity came from them, Or the account of Noah and the flood like Jesus knew. Most of the Old Testament according to you is fables or isolated events that only apply to Israel. So there is no real reason to even give you the time of day and explain things to you In my honest opinion. Because you just discredit the Bible.

Just excuses, again.

You rather write four lines of reasoning why you will not give us the time for the answer instead of giving us the answer.

 

[HIM]

Just excuses, again.

You rather write four lines of reasoning why you will not give us the time for the answer instead of giving us the answer.

And you would rather go on about nothing. And just ignore what was of importance, "And there is a difference between commandments, statutes, ordinances and judgements, Ordinances and judgements are not mentioned as being in the heart in Deut 30:10-14. Which is the first time that the New Covenant is given verbally"

 

[trophy33]

And you would rather go on about nothing.

When you try to publicly teach in Christian forums that we are to keep the commandments of the Old Testament (but just some), you should be also able to tell us which ones, without evasions.

Do not try to look for some personal reasons why you do not need to do it.

 

[ozso]

No one here that I am aware of says we are under the law of the Torah. The new covenant is God putting His laws, the Torah. the word in the heart, mind and mouth through Christ and His Spirit through God. That is the faith that is being preach and has been preach since Moses in Deut 29:1. 30:10-14,.

But we're still supposed to obey those laws all the same, and most Christians aren't doing that, right?

 

[HIM]

When you try to publicly teach in Christian forums that we are to keep the commandments of the Old Testament (but just some), you should be also able to tell us which ones, without evasions.

Do not try to look for some personal reasons why you do not need to do it.

Still going about nothing. Personal reasons? No spiritual.
Once again, there is a difference between commandments, statutes, ordinances and judgements, Ordinances and judgements are not mentioned as being in the heart in Deut 30:10-14. Which is the first time that the New Covenant is given verbally Deut 29:1

 

[ozso]

No you don't believe the Creation account, Or that Adam, Eve were the first humans and all of humanity came from them, Or the account of Noah and the flood like Jesus knew. Most of the Old Testament according to you is fables or isolated events that only apply to Israel. So there is no real reason to even give you the time of day and explain things to you In my honest opinion. Because you just discredit the Bible.

@myst33 is that true?

 

[trophy33]

Still going about nothing. Personal reasons? No spiritual.
Once again, there is a difference between commandments, statutes, ordinances and judgements, Ordinances and judgements are not mentioned as being in the heart in Deut 30:10-14. Which is the first time that the New Covenant is given verbally Deut 29:1

So give me the list of commandments we must keep today from the Old Testament.

 

[ozso]

And there is a difference between commandments, statutes, ordinances and judgements, Ordinances and judgements are not mentioned as being in the heart in Deut 30:10-14. Which is the first time that the New Covenant is given verbally

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37.

 

[trophy33]

@myst33 is that true?

I have no strong beliefs regarding how to see Genesis, but I see much symbolism in both the creation story and in the flood story, so I am not betting on their literal readings all the way down. When evidence/science gives us more information, I see no reason to put those two sources into a conflict.

 

[HIM]

But we're still supposed to obey those laws all the same, and most Christians aren't doing that, right?

No. They are part of us if in the heart, mind and mouth. It is no longer I in respect to ourselves we are a new creation in Christ Jesus, We are dead, but live, Yet not us but Christ Jesus. And the life we now live we live by the faith of Christ, We have put on Christ. We don't obey because we have to, we do because we want to due to the new heart that is of and through Christ.

 

[HIM]

“‘Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the Lord.’” Leviticus 19:37.

Deut 30:10-14

 

[HIM]

I have no strong beliefs regarding how to see Genesis, but I see much symbolism in both the creation story and in the flood story, so I am not betting on their literal readings all the way down. When evidence/science gives us more information, I see no reason to put those two sources into a conflict.

Strong enough to share that you don't believe as Jesus knew in respect to the Genesis account of creation, adam and eve being the first humans and parents of all.

 

[trophy33]

Strong enough to share that you don't believe as Jesus knew in respect to the Genesis account of creation, adam and eve being the first humans and parents of all.

Dont try to get off topic and answer what instructions from the Old Testament are still for today.

We can talk about theistic evolution or flood or how we see inspiration, in other threads.

 

[HIM]

Dont try to get off topic and answer what instructions from the Old Testament are still for today.

The topic at that point was why I don't want to talk to you. So? Take care....