Thoughts ...

[Noxot]

Past duality is only begotten; the abyss is the point of reference.

he is the only begotten and he is also the unbegotten - the abyss and the heaven. the darkness and the light and they are one and the same and other and it all comes to and from God.

 

[Noxot]

Sin is a perception based on lack; one who is born of God cannot sin.

perception based on lack is the emptying; born of God is the filling... and they are the overflowing.

this is a divine process occurring within God and thus within ourselves as well... ( the soul and spirit and freedom... and they are one ).

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Is a perception of lack a bad thing? Perhaps its not good to be full? I'm just pondering the question.


Revelation 3:17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—



Luke 6:25 Woe to you who are full,
For you shall hunger.
Woe to you who laugh now,
For you shall mourn and weep.

 

[Noxot]

give us this day our daily bread be it a morsel, a banquet, or nothing at all for you alone are my food God and I am yours. for the kingdom is not about eating and drinking but it is about you and I and all of us.

all perceptions are lack in one sense and our seeing is forever stretched by Gods filling as he makes us to see as he sees. no matter how many riches we have we are but poor men compared to the richness of God. our riches turn to dust in the earth. in heaven they are persevered forever. being poor or being rich are explanations for both good and evil things. being rich in spirit and being poor in spirit are the same thing but being rich or poor from the lower non-spiritual or fallen view is drenched in sin and even what they have will be lost. therefore church dogmas and the bible are both from God... but have the potentiality to be distorted and confused and die by the flesh of men who is dead or the flesh who is still a baby concerning spiritual things.

only God and his heart and his children matter.

one thing the 'woes' imply are a great divine blessing past comprehension to normal senses. they are spoken in the darkness rather than the light, but the darkness is Gods just as the light is. because the seeming evils that are shown in the bible are really divine expression of hard to understand goods for only God is good but men try to use their own strength to understand him and thus they fall very short since they are weak flesh which dissolves in the heavens and that can not endure the face of God and live.

but God orders all things and he will apply and use whatever we are at and he will reach down to us so that he may lift us up. he gives different layers to his word. the lower forms being called the flesh and the soul of his word but in the spirit is the place where we shall never leave and whos way is no way.

so then holy tradition speaks of the idea of the milk of the bible, the greens of the bible and the meat of the bible. and this is a three pattern that is repeated in the bible. but when you get to the three it's all over... where did you go enoch? where art thou elijah?

 

[Noxot]

I am all bad things without thee O Lord and I am all good things with thee JAH. I do not want to be whole or complete without you God. I want to be dead and suffer when i do not have you. I hate myself when i am not with you and I love myself when i am with you.

my flesh does not deserve to live. please Lord for my sake destroy it that I may live for my flesh drags my soul and keeps her locked in chains and she is confined and confused and blinded and she does not know me any longer. how long must I suffer this pain Lord? let her sorrow that we together may rejoice all the sooner and forever. because I know that she and I are one and that we belong to you alone and you to us.

she has grieved me long enough. she corrupts her flesh day after day. she is sick with sin. cast her into a sickbed/deathbed Lord for in lovesickness she shall be made whole. her flesh shall be holy. the soul will be holy. the spirit will be holy.

we shall be for you a ditty, a tune and a blessing and a rejoicing and a light. you shall sing over us and with us. because YAH IS WITH US.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

give us this day our daily bread be it a morsel, a banquet, or nothing at all for you alone are my food God and I am yours.

Amen

 

[x141]

We must not only come to our self, but out of the field as well.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

We must not only come to our self, but out of the field as well.

Why?


1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.

 

[x141]

Why?


1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.

... in the context of the parable of the two sons (richman/poorman), or in the context of coming out of the wilderness as it relates to the two that begins in Genesis with light being called out of darkness.

Words (as to what they depict) are relative to the words that surround them (in scripture), and what leads up to them as what follows after them.

The field is where the elder slays the younger, or where Joseph found himself after being sent by his father, which relates to the feasts found in the Bible as it does to the process of the (one) word that departed the mouth of God, of which all of, relates to the process happening in us, and is as individual as it is collective.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

... in the context of the parable of the two sons (richman/poorman), or in the context of coming out of the wilderness as it relates to the two that begins in Genesis with light being called out of darkness.

Words (as to what they depict) are relative to the words that surround them (in scripture), and what leads up to them as what follows after them.

The field is where the elder slays the younger, or where Joseph found himself after being sent by his father, which relates to the feasts found in the Bible as it does to the process of the (one) word that departed the mouth of God, of which all of, relates to the process happening in us, and is as individual as it is collective.

So i guess you are saying that we are both talking about two different fields?

 

[x141]

So i guess you are saying that we are both talking about two different fields?

Actually no ... we are talking about the same mind or soul but just different forms they have painted the same picture of in light of the process.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Actually no ... we are talking about the same mind or soul but just different forms they have painted the same picture of in light of the process.

Christ said to abide in Him, but if we leave the field how can we abide in the vine?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Christ said to abide in Him, but if we leave the field how can we abide in the vine?

I don't think someone who does not abide in the vine (John 15) was ever in the vine in the first place.

 

[x141]

Christ said to abide in Him, but if we leave the field how can we abide in the vine?

In picture a field in scripture is the place where one wanders around. It depicts the soul whose reasoning is based on duality, as being caught between two fruits of a tree, or to sons, or heaven and earth, or two mountains, blessing, and cursing, or two opinions (and the list goes on). The reference to come out of the field is not so much about what you come out of as it is what you enter into (the father's house).

 

[Restoresmysoul]

In picture a field in scripture is the place where one wanders around. It depicts the soul whose reasoning is based on duality, as being caught between two fruits of a tree, or to sons, or heaven and earth, or two mountains, blessing, and cursing, or two opinions (and the list goes on). The reference to come out of the field is not so much about what you come out of as it is what you enter into (the father's house).

Yes but is seems that God is pleased to be the husbandman of His vine, im not sure God wants us to come out of it. But i dont know everything, so i'll just keep on abiding.

 

[Noxot]

if you do not leave the vine then you shall not make the wine. then how shall we please our master who says that he wants our wine? is not the purpose of being in the vine to bare much fruit for our Lord? tell me then if there is a sweet part of the vine that leaves at the masters bidding or not... obviously reality tells us plainly.

and his children... do they or do they not deserve to eat of the fruit of the vine? ANY true Father would give his children sweet grapes and any good Husband would share with his beloved his best wine.

tell me then..... what is Gods own character kin to? is he rejoicing or selfish? is he the man that drinks wine all alone or does he desire to drink wine with his friends? does he eat at a banquet in heaven or does he eat all alone in his castle that most men are too fearful to travel to?

 

[Restoresmysoul]

if you do not leave the vine then you shall not make the wine. then how shall we please our master who says that he wants our wine? is not the purpose of being in the vine to bare much fruit for our Lord? tell me then if there is a sweet part of the vine that leaves at the masters bidding or not... obviously reality tells us plainly.

and his children... do they or do they not deserve to eat of the fruit of the vine? ANY true Father would give his children sweet grapes and any good Husband would share with his beloved his best wine.

tell me then..... what is Gods own character kin to? is he rejoicing or selfish? is he the man that drinks wine all alone or does he desire to drink wine with his friends? does he eat at a banquet in heaven or does he eat all alone in his castle that most men are too fearful to travel to?

Yes but we are not the fruit of the vine, we are merely the branches.

 

[Noxot]

Yes but we are not the fruit of the vine, we are merely the branches.

where in the bible does it say that the sweet wine which is everlasting joy is not ours? here are many examples in spirit of the expression of the words and parables in different ways to attempt to teach firmly the solid foundation of truths that God reveals by his spirit to his people and also the act of his people acting together with him to create the thing called "the bible" which is not only the part of God but it is also the part of redeemed humanity.

Isa 35:1-10 (YLT)
They joy from the wilderness and dry place, And rejoice doth the desert, and flourish as the rose, Flourishing it doth flourish, and rejoice, Yea, with joy and singing, The honour of Lebanon hath been given to it, The beauty of Carmel and Sharon, They--they see the honour of Jehovah, The majesty of our God. Strengthen ye the feeble hands, Yea, the stumbling knees strengthen. Say to the hastened of heart, `Be strong, Fear not, lo, your God; vengeance cometh, The recompence of God, He Himself doth come and save you.' Then opened are eyes of the blind, And ears of the deaf are unstopped, Then leap as a hart doth the lame, And sing doth the tongue of the dumb, For broken up in a wilderness have been waters, And streams in a desert. And the mirage hath become a pond, And the thirsty land fountains of waters, In the habitation of dragons, Its place of couching down, a court for reed and rush. And a highway hath been there, and a way, And the `way of holiness' is called to it, Not pass over it doth the unclean, And He Himself is by them, Whoso is going in the way--even fools err not. No lion is there, yea, a destructive beast Ascendeth it not, it is not found there, And walked have the redeemed, And the ransomed of Jehovah return, And have entered Zion with singing. And joy age-during on their head, Joy and gladness they attain, And fled away have sorrow and sighing!

Isa 51:4-52:3 (YLT)
Attend unto Me, O My people, And, O My nation, unto Me give ear. For a law from Me goeth out, And My judgment to the light, Peoples I do cause to rest. Near is My righteousness, Gone out hath My salvation and Mine arms, Peoples they judge, on Me isles do wait, Yea, on Mine arm they do wait with hope. Lift ye up to the heavens your eyes, And look attentively unto the earth beneath, For the heavens as smoke have vanished, And the earth as a garment weareth out, And its inhabitants as gnats do die, And My salvation is to the age, And My righteousness is not broken. Hearken unto Me, ye who know righteousness, A people, in whose heart is My law, Fear ye not the reproach of men, And for their reviling be not affrighted, For as a garment eat them doth a moth, And as wool eat them doth a worm, And My righteousness is to the age, And My salvation to all generations. Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of Jehovah, Awake, as in days of old, generations of the ages, Art not Thou it that is hewing down Rahab, Piercing a dragon! Art not Thou it that is drying up a sea, Waters of a great deep? That hath made deep places of a sea A way for the passing of the redeemed? And the ransomed of Jehovah turn back, And they have come to Zion with singing, And joy age-during is on their head, Gladness and joy they attain, Fled away have sorrow and sighing, I--I am He--your comforter, Who art thou--and thou art afraid of man? he dieth! And of the son of man--grass he is made! And thou dost forget Jehovah thy maker, Who is stretching out the heavens, and founding earth, And thou dost fear continually all the day, Because of the fury of the oppressor, As he hath prepared to destroy. And where is the fury of the oppressor? Hastened hath a wanderer to be loosed, And he doth not die at the pit, And his bread is not lacking. And I am Jehovah thy God, Quieting the sea, when its billows roar, Jehovah of Hosts is His name. And I put My words in thy mouth, And with the shadow of My hand have covered thee, To plant the heavens, and to found earth, And to say to Zion, `My people art thou.' Stir thyself, stir thyself, rise, Jerusalem, Who hast drunk from the hand of Jehovah The cup of His fury, The goblet, the cup of trembling, thou hast drunk, Thou hast wrung out. There is not a leader to her Out of all the sons she hath borne, And there is none laying hold on her hand Out of all the sons she hath nourished. These two are meeting thee, who is moved for thee? Spoiling and destruction--Famine and sword, who--I comfort thee? Thy sons have been wrapped up, they have lain down, At the head of all out places, as a wild ox in a net, They are full of the fury of Jehovah, The rebuke of Thy God. Therefore, hear, I pray thee, this, O afflicted and drunken one, and not with wine, Thus said thy Lord Jehovah, and thy God, He pleadeth for his people: `Lo, I have taken out of thy hand the cup of trembling, The goblet, the cup of My fury, Thou dost not add to drink it any more. And I have put it into the hand of those afflicting thee, Who have said to thy soul, Bow down, and we pass over, And thou makest as the earth thy body, And as the street to those passing by!' Awake, awake, put on thy strength, O Zion, Put on the garments of thy beauty, Jerusalem--the Holy City; For enter no more into thee again, Do the uncircumcised and unclean. Shake thyself from dust, arise, sit, O Jerusalem, Bands of thy neck have loosed themselves, O captive, daughter of Zion. For thus said Jehovah: `For nought ye have been sold, And not by money are ye redeemed.'

1Tim 6:17-19 (YLT)
Those rich in the present age charge thou not to be high-minded, nor to hope in the uncertainty of riches, but in the living God, who is giving to us all things richly for enjoyment; -- to do good, to be rich in good works, to be ready to impart, willing to communicate, treasuring up to themselves a right foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on the life age-during.

1Thess 1:6-7 (YLT)
and ye--ye did become imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation, with joy of the Holy Spirit, so that ye became patterns to all those believing in Macedonia and Achaia,

1Thess 2:19-20 (YLT)
for what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even ye before our Lord Jesus Christ in his presence? for ye are our glory and joy.

Col 1:3-29 (YLT)
We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, always praying for you, having heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love that is to all the saints, because of the hope that is laid up for you in the heavens, which ye heard of before in the word of the truth of the good news, which is present to you, as also in all the world, and is bearing fruit, as also in you, from the day in which ye heard, and knew the grace of God in truth; as ye also learned from Epaphras, our beloved fellow-servant, who is for you a faithful ministrant of the Christ, who also did declare to us your love in the Spirit. Because of this, we also, from the day in which we heard, do not cease praying for you, and asking that ye may be filled with the full knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding, to your walking worthily of the Lord to all pleasing, in every good work being fruitful, and increasing to the knowledge of God, in all might being made mighty according to the power of His glory, to all endurance and long-suffering with joy. Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light, who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate us into the reign of the Son of His love, in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins, who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation, because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created, and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted. And himself is the head of the body--the assembly--who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all things --himself--first, because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle, and through him to reconcile the all things to himself--having made peace through the blood of his cross--through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens. And you--once being alienated, and enemies in the mind, in the evil works, yet now did he reconcile, in the body of his flesh through the death, to present you holy, and unblemished, and unblameable before himself, if also ye remain in the faith, being founded and settled, and not moved away from the hope of the good news, which ye heard, which was preached in all the creation that is under the heaven, of which I became--I Paul--a ministrant. I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and do fill up the things lacking of the tribulations of the Christ in my flesh for his body, which is the assembly, of which I--I did become a ministrant according to the dispensation of God, that was given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God, the secret that hath been hid from the ages and from the generations, but now was manifested to his saints, to whom God did will to make known what is the riches of the glory of this secret among the nations--which is Christ in you, the hope of the glory, whom we proclaim, warning every man, and teaching every man, in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus, for which also I labour, striving according to his working that is working in me in power.

Gal 5:22-6:10 (YLT)
And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law; and those who are Christ's, the flesh did crucify with the affections, and the desires; if we may live in the Spirit, in the Spirit also we may walk; let us not become vain-glorious--one another provoking, one another envying! Brethren, if a man also may be overtaken in any trespass, ye who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of meekness, considering thyself--lest thou also may be tempted; of one another the burdens bear ye, and so fill up the law of the Christ, for if any one doth think himself to be something--being nothing--himself he doth deceive; and his own work let each one prove, and then in regard to himself alone the glorying he shall have, and not in regard to the other, for each one his own burden shall bear. And let him who is instructed in the word share with him who is instructing--in all good things. Be not led astray; God is not mocked; for what a man may sow--that also he shall reap, because he who is sowing to his own flesh, of the flesh shall reap corruption; and he who is sowing to the Spirit, of the Spirit shall reap life age-during; and in the doing good we may not be faint-hearted, for at the proper time we shall reap--not desponding; therefore, then, as we have opportunity, may we work the good to all, and especially unto those of the household of the faith.

Luke 8:15-21 (YLT)
`And that in the good ground: These are they, who in an upright and good heart, having heard the word, do retain it , and bear fruit in continuance. `And no one having lighted a lamp doth cover it with a vessel, or under a couch doth put it ; but upon a lamp-stand he doth put it , that those coming in may see the light, for nothing is secret, that shall not become manifest, nor hid, that shall not be known, and become manifest. `See, therefore, how ye hear, for whoever may have, there shall be given to him, and whoever may not have, also what he seemeth to have, shall be taken from him.' And there came unto him his mother and brethren, and they were not able to get to him because of the multitude, and it was told him, saying, `Thy mother and thy brethren do stand without, wishing to see thee;' and he answering said unto them, `My mother and my brethren! they are those who the word of God are hearing, and doing.'


there are so many examples of the truth of Gods heart towards us and us towards him because obviously the branch and the vine are both needed to bare fruit because we both have freedom and we work together to produce the freedom in the Holy Spirit. because it is not enough that Gods grace prevail, which is right and good but it is also that God desires our own freedom to sing him a song along with him together with him because it is not only the man that says "I do" but it is also the woman who says "I do" and they both kiss each other.

it is not that Christ needs us but if we have no part in helping to produce fruit then why is it that the fruit grows from us when in Christ? you see then if we are to live it is required that we live. because living plants naturally do some things and cut off parts of a plant naturally don't do some things.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Im not going to read that vast text my friend, perhaps you could highlight the scriptures which suggest that we as the branches can exist without staying attached to the vine.

 

[Noxot]

Im not going to read that vast text my friend, perhaps you could highlight the scriptures which suggest that we as the branches can exist without staying attached to the vine.

we as the fruit do not remain in the field just as the treasure hidden in the field does not remain. the branch is the flesh and the fruit is the spirit. the field is the flesh and the treasure is the spirit. you see we are afforded to be branches on the vine that we may bare fruit. without him we do not but without us he can not help us bare fruit. you leave and you stay. this is not physical reality. the spiritual parables speak about SPIRITUAL things, not earthly. God is not hindered by the natural world and it's limited images and this is why he also introduced parables that have to do with slightly less natural things such as men grafting in wild olive branches to the cultivated olive tree. spiritual reality is the head and not the tail. God is not told what to do based on his image but rather he gives an image and says what it means. God is not the slave of his own law and neither are his children. Jesus Christ testified of this when he said that the son of man is Lord of the Sabbath too. there is liberty in the Son of God. there is slavery with the first adam. Christ came to set the captives free.

parable of the talents:

Matt 25:14-30 (YLT)
`For--as a man going abroad did call his own servants, and did deliver to them his substance, and to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his several ability, went abroad immediately. `And he who did receive the five talents, having gone, wrought with them, and made other five talents; in like manner also he who received the two, he gained, also he, other two; and he who did receive the one, having gone away, digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. `And after a long time cometh the lord of those servants, and taketh reckoning with them; and he who did receive the five talents having come, brought other five talents, saying, `Sir, five talents thou didst deliver to me; lo, other five talents did I gain besides them. `And his lord said to him, Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou wast faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord. `And he who also did receive the two talents having come, said, Sir, two talents thou didst deliver to me; lo, other two talents I did gain besides them. `His lord said to him, Well done, servant, good and faithful, over a few things thou wast faithful, over many things I will set thee; enter into the joy of thy lord. `And he also who hath received the one talent having come, said, Sir, I knew thee, that thou art a hard man, reaping where thou didst not sow, and gathering from whence thou didst not scatter; and having been afraid, having gone away, I hid thy talent in the earth; lo, thou hast thine own! `And his lord answering said to him, Evil servant, and slothful, thou hadst known that I reap where I did not sow, and I gather whence I did not scatter! it behoved thee then to put my money to the money-lenders, and having come I had received mine own with increase. `Take therefore from him the talent, and give to him having the ten talents, for to every one having shall be given, and he shall have overabundance, and from him who is not having, even that which he hath shall be taken from him; and the unprofitable servant cast ye forth to the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth.

another way to look at it... if a man was willing to not be puffed up and listen to Holy Tradition which is appointed by God Almighty... is that the saints have said that the Son of God holds our hand to take us to see the Father. and this ofc is well documented in the bible as well BUT blind and evil men have distorted and twisted his Word into unholy fleshly tradition that hold his children away from entering the kingdom of God.