Thoughts ...

[Noxot]

love is the thing that perfectly orders all things but this world is not meant to last. sometimes God drives me crazy. but I believe this desire is pure even though it is irrational. it should become refined after a while. I know that evil is the only problem. when people hate one person and then favors another it only leads to evil. I don't get why people don't get along. things would be so much better without all of our BS.

and people want the good. but they try to do good with evil. evil uses people that want to do good ( wine ) and says "this is good" but has tainted the wine with its poison ( evil ). all problems are solved by the death of evil for then there is no more veil and the purity that the good has always been is once again seen.

confusion and separation in people and thus in the world causes various good ideas and thoughts to collide and fight each other because of the lower qualities of humanity, such as fear, that get out of control and that then causes much internal conflict and bad perceptions of reality.

children are very sensitive. the shock of the evils of this world and the ignorance of morality in most parents causes the child to be at a great disadvantage. this cycle is done over and over again. evils are ingrained within the genetics. evil becomes commonplace and no one is able to discern between the good and evil, for evil has become such a common thing that people just accept it. because they don't know what good is enough.

a shocking revelation about evil in the past was slavery. now it is the treatment of children. they are human beings but they don't get treated like it sometimes.

 

[x141]

love is the thing that perfectly orders all things but this world is not meant to last. sometimes God drives me crazy. but I believe this desire is pure even though it is irrational. it should become refined after a while. I know that evil is the only problem. when people hate one person and then favors another it only leads to evil. I don't get why people don't get along. things would be so much better without all of our BS.

and people want the good. but they try to do good with evil. evil uses people that want to do good ( wine ) and says "this is good" but has tainted the wine with its poison ( evil ). all problems are solved by the death of evil for then there is no more veil and the purity that the good has always been is once again seen.

confusion and separation in people and thus in the world causes various good ideas and thoughts to collide and fight each other because of the lower qualities of humanity, such as fear, that get out of control and that then causes much internal conflict and bad perceptions of reality.

children are very sensitive. the shock of the evils of this world and the ignorance of morality in most parents causes the child to be at a great disadvantage. this cycle is done over and over again. evils are ingrained within the genetics. evil becomes commonplace and no one is able to discern between the good and evil, for evil has become such a common thing that people just accept it. because they don't know what good is enough.

a shocking revelation about evil in the past was slavery. now it is the treatment of children. they are human beings but they don't get treated like it sometimes.

Judgment based on those things outside of us, or even judgment of our own body in a comparative state causes the soul to become a garden of cucumbers.

To fully turn inward (past thought) is the ultimate sacrifice, where you alone become abandoned to Him as a remaining in this state, or a walk of agreement.

 

[x141]

What a beginning is to purpose, cause is to reason.

 

[seeingeyes]

Judgment based on those things outside of us, or even judgment of our own body in a comparative state causes the soul to become a garden of cucumbers.

What's the significance of the cucumbers? (That line caught my funny bone. )

 

[Noxot]

Judgment based on those things outside of us, or even judgment of our own body in a comparative state causes the soul to become a garden of cucumbers.

To fully turn inward (past thought) is the ultimate sacrifice, where you alone become abandoned to Him as a remaining in this state, or a walk of agreement.

What a beginning is to purpose, cause is to reason.

but I want both and that is why we are here right? if God did not want us here then we would not be here. so now I want to know why. I don't completely understand you but that is the norm when it comes to this kind of stuff.

 

[Noxot]

Isa 1:2-16 (YLT)
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth, For Jehovah hath spoken: Sons I have nourished and brought up, And they--they transgressed against Me. An ox hath known its owner, And an ass the crib of its master, Israel hath not known, My people hath not understood. Ah, sinning nation, a people heavy with iniquity, A seed of evil doers, sons--corrupters! They have forsaken Jehovah, They have despised the Holy One of Israel, They have gone away backward. Wherefore are ye stricken any more? Ye do add apostasy! Every head is become diseased, and every heart is sick. From the sole of the foot--unto the head, There is no soundness in it, Wound, and bruise, and fresh smiting! They have not been closed nor bound, Nor have they softened with ointment. Your land is a desolation, your cities burnt with fire, Your ground, before you strangers are consuming it, And a desolation as overthrown by strangers! And left hath been the daughter of Zion, As a booth in a vineyard, As a lodge in a place of cucumbers--as a city besieged. Unless Jehovah of Hosts had left to us a remnant, Shortly--as Sodom we had been, To Gomorrah we had been like! Hear the word of Jehovah, ye rulers of Sodom, Give ear to the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah, `Why to Me the abundance of your sacrifices? saith Jehovah, I have been satiated with burnt-offerings of rams, And fat of fatlings; And blood of bullocks, and lambs, And he-goats I have not desired. When ye come in to appear before Me, Who hath required this of your hand, To trample My courts? Add not to bring in a vain present, Incense--an abomination it is to Me, New moon, and sabbath, calling of convocation! Rendure not iniquity--and a restraint! Your new moons and your set seasons hath My soul hated, They have been upon me for a burden, I have been weary of bearing. And in your spreading forth your hands, I hide mine eyes from you, Also when ye increase prayer, I do not hear, Your hands of blood have been full. Wash ye, make ye pure, Turn aside the evil of your doings, from before Mine eyes, Cease to do evil, learn to do good.

"And left hath been the daughter of Zion, As a booth in a vineyard, As a lodge in a place of cucumbers--as a city besieged."

so they are the Seed but in seed form, like a little spark rather than a full burning fire. it is like seeing the son of man as a worm... as far as I can tell. but this old language is so strange to me. booth in a vineyard? what is a booth in a vineyard? but i dunno... I don't wanna eat only cucumbers. would get sick of them after a while.

the only other cucumber I find is:

Num 11:4-6 (YLT)
And the rabble who are in its midst have lusted greatly, and the sons of Israel also turn back and weep, and say, `Who doth give us flesh? We have remembered the fish which we do eat in Egypt for nought, the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick; and now our soul is dry, there is not anything, save the manna, before our eyes.'

this is the word in Isiah:
H4750 מִקשָׁה miqshah (mik-shaw') n-f.
1. (literally) a cucumbered field, i.e. a cucumber patch
[denominative from H7180]
KJV: garden of cucumbers.
Root(s): H7180

this in numbers:
H7180 קִשּׁוּא qishshu' (kish-shoo') n-f.
1. a cucumber (from the difficulty of digestion)
[from an unused root (meaning to be hard)]
KJV: cucumber.

so now I see we want to be better to the Lord than 'hard' and 'difficult to digest'. the Lord deserves the very best, the most fine of all foods we could be for him and for his children.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

One day at a time. God gave the Israelites enough Manna for one day at a time. Perhaps thats how he wants us to abide in Him as well. And even though God gave them the victory as they trusted and obeyed Him, they still had to fight their own battles, casting down the enemy, taking out enemy strongholds and moving toward the promised land.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I watched the 2006 version of the 10 commandments. It seemed inspiring as i considered Paul's teaching on spiritual warfare.

 

[seeingeyes]

but I want both and that is why we are here right? if God did not want us here then we would not be here. so now I want to know why. I don't completely understand you but that is the norm when it comes to this kind of stuff.

We are here to become like Him. He is the Creator and he is still creating.

 

[Noxot]

I watched the 2006 version of the 10 commandments. It seemed inspiring as i considered Paul's teaching on spiritual warfare.

spiritual warfare is all about not being evil and only being good. I have never seen that movie. have you seen the gospel of john? it is a good one. goes through the entire book.

 

[seeingeyes]

so now I see we want to be better to the Lord than 'hard' and 'difficult to digest'. the Lord deserves the very best, the most fine of all foods we could be for him and for his children.

Thank you!

This is interesting too:

Vineyards required to be watched for a few weeks only as the fruit began to ripen; and the watchers, or keepers, built themselves, therefore, mere "booths" for their protection (Job 27:18). These were frail, solitary dwellings - very forlorn, very helpless. Such was now Jerusalem. As a lodge in a garden of cucumbers. Cucumber-gardens required watching throughout the season, i.e. from spring to autumn, and their watcher needed a more solid edifice than a booth. Hence such gardens had "lodges" in them, i.e. permanent huts or sheds, such as those still seen in Palestine (Tristram's 'Natural History of Palestine,' p. 442). As a besieged city. Though not yet besieged, Jerusalem is as if besieged - isolated, surrounded by waste tracts, threatened.

-Pulpit Commentary

 

[Noxot]

We are here to become like Him. He is the Creator and he is still creating.

indeed but there are things each of us will do and be if we walk with him.


here was an interesting thing I found about that Isiah verse:

Question:
"'And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.' Isaiah 1:8

What's so bad about 'a cottage in a vineyard' and a 'lodge in a garden of cucumbers'? "

Answer:
"Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire; strangers devour your land in your presence; and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard, as a hut in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city" (Isaiah 1:7-8).

The wrong impression is being given because "cottage" and "lodge" is too fancy of a term in modern English for what is being referred to.

The first structure is a sukkah in Hebrew. It refers to a temporary shelter, such as a hut. These are the booths erected during the feast of the Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34, 42-43). It is also what Jonah erected to protect him from the sun (Jonah 4:5). During harvest season, temporary huts were erected for the watchmen who protected the crops. After the harvest the huts were abandoned and left to fall apart on their own. And, of course, people rarely visit the fields after the harvest is past, so it is the image of abandonment, loneliness, and decay.

The second structure is a melunah in Hebrew. It also refers to a watchman's hut. It means a frail, insecure structure that is easily knocked down. This word is also used in "The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall totter like a hut; its transgression shall be heavy upon it, and it will fall, and not rise again" (Isaiah 24:20).

 

[Noxot]

Thank you!

This is interesting too: -Pulpit Commentary

it is. now I think about how solid the temple of God is compared to those things. I still want to understand it more. hopefully someone will say something.

I see how in the end it goes away and Gods Word remains.

so x141 said:
Judgment based on those things outside of us, or even judgment of our own body in a comparative state causes the soul to become a garden of cucumbers.

To fully turn inward (past thought) is the ultimate sacrifice, where you alone become abandoned to Him as a remaining in this state, or a walk of agreement.

so if I apply this saying to me and I was judging for evil then I can see that the first would be the result but if my eye was only on God then the second would come to pass instead.

so what I desire and do is turn inward and overflow and outward it goes in love towards others. this is why the worst state I feel someone can be in is to not know what they do is evil as then I am only deceiving and being deceived. but I have to function without this outward reality but function in this outward reality in a manner that there can be some form of mediation between what I want to express and what someone is willing to accept. so I go about in different ways attempting to express that it might help someone in some kind of way.

BUT I don't feel as if I play the harlot in utilizing many kinds of things for this one single purpose. all the riches of the nations come into jerusalem for Gods purpose. the difference between good and evil is very subtle.

 

[seeingeyes]

indeed but there are things each of us will do and be if we walk with him.

Yes. I believe we must go through struggle to get there. I do not believe Adam was perfect, even when he was sinless. One cannot be perfect as their Father is perfect without carrying the cross Christ carried.

So trouble (and plenty of it) is a necessary ingredient in raising up the children in the way they will go. Not suffering as self-flagellation for the purposes of piety, but wherever there is pain, the grace of God rushes in. We are to be the receivers of that grace and also the purveyors of that grace.

here was an interesting thing I found about that Isiah verse:

Question:
"'And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.' Isaiah 1:8

What's so bad about 'a cottage in a vineyard' and a 'lodge in a garden of cucumbers'? "

Answer:
"Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire; strangers devour your land in your presence; and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers. So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard, as a hut in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city" (Isaiah 1:7-8).

The wrong impression is being given because "cottage" and "lodge" is too fancy of a term in modern English for what is being referred to.

The first structure is a sukkah in Hebrew. It refers to a temporary shelter, such as a hut. These are the booths erected during the feast of the Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34, 42-43). It is also what Jonah erected to protect him from the sun (Jonah 4:5). During harvest season, temporary huts were erected for the watchmen who protected the crops. After the harvest the huts were abandoned and left to fall apart on their own. And, of course, people rarely visit the fields after the harvest is past, so it is the image of abandonment, loneliness, and decay.

The second structure is a melunah in Hebrew. It also refers to a watchman's hut. It means a frail, insecure structure that is easily knocked down. This word is also used in "The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall totter like a hut; its transgression shall be heavy upon it, and it will fall, and not rise again" (Isaiah 24:20).

It's a very lonely picture.

 

[Noxot]

Yes. I believe we must go through struggle to get there. I do not believe Adam was perfect, even when he was sinless. One cannot be perfect as their Father is perfect without carrying the cross Christ carried.

So trouble (and plenty of it) is a necessary ingredient in raising up the children in the way they will go. Not suffering as self-flagellation for the purposes of piety, but wherever there is pain, the grace of God rushes in. We are to be the receivers of that grace and also the purveyors of that grace.



It's a very lonely picture.

;-; :,,(

I don't believe in struggles. obviously I went through some and most of us will. an atheist was kind today and told me that Christians misunderstand what the rod means when the bibles says to "spare not the rod" as this rod is not for beating but rather it is for guiding the sheep. did shepherds hit their sheep? I don't think so but maybe. I would not hit a sheep. I punished my dogs years ago a few times because they did something I did not like but it was harsh and too hard of an impression on them because they are so sensitive and loyal. it was just plain cruelty towards my pets for all they did was try to not be displeasing.

i don't believe that adam was perfect either. but I also don't believe that perfection is a static and limited concept like the greeks used to think. be perfect as your Father is perfect. certainly this perfection only comes from God and it is an forever and eternal thing... everlasting joy in his kingdom.

it appears that we ourselves are the punishers of ourselves most of all... falling into pits whilst we walk around like blind people. certainly trouble has aided us in ways that being safe could never do, but I still believe there is an easier spiritual path that does not require so much suffering and that this could be afforded to the little children if only they were brought up by very good angels. this kind of event does not happen very often. you might find a few saints that had such an advantage though. I would say that the lack of suffering.... such as the event of the good angel of punishment having to trap the sheep in thorn bushes and of the angel of repentance coming to take the sheep out of the thorns..... will not be needed if more people in our world becomes spiritual rather than fleshly-religious....

those who always cling close to God and hardly ever backtrack and are almost always innocent and single minded in their purpose towards God won't stumble much at all. I don't know if I have ever found a human being like that except Jesus. but I heard an angel rejoicing greatly over such a one as that and he rejoiced over all who became like that as well even if they did have to go through pains and sorrows.


the picture is lonely but it is not the end... it is a happy picture in the end because truth will always stand and so i'm not scared to walk into a battlefield naked and only holding a sword because if I die then i die. the fire can destroy as much as it needs to... only the truth shall endure forever.


certainly there is always going to be pain in this world... I could see someone that somehow avoided a lot of pain but they only had a different kind of pain because of their protections... most things can hurt us or harm us.

self torture is a kind of misunderstanding and extremism that corrupted asceticism sometimes brings about.

some saints end up rejoicing more in the evils that people do to them rather than the goods. I suppose if you can be happy in the worst conditions then you are pretty much always happy and blessed. it is a great testament to be in such a state towards others... but I must shut up because I can't describe the entire human experience and Gods reactions and interacting with us all. >.<

last of all... if trouble gets me there faster then bring it on. I would rather go through pain for a little bit than through a numbness that slowly goes away over the course of my entire life. I know that God is always going fast and we are the slowpokes...

how great it would be if we did not have to suffer and could all rejoicing with God in this world...



the worst part is that I stopped drinking coffee weeks ago... seems like my post should not end up being this long and corrected 158722 times.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

God teaches us to go one day at a time, he tells us not to worry about tomorrow.

 

[Noxot]

I guess I could have just replied to you with a:

John 14:27 (YLT)
`Peace I leave to you; my peace I give to you, not according as the world doth give do I give to you; let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid;

John 16:33 (YLT)
these things I have spoken to you, that in me ye may have peace, in the world ye shall have tribulation, but take courage--I have overcome the world.'

John 1:9-14 (YLT)
He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world; in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him: to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him; but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name, who--not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but--of God were begotten. And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

indeed we are not to worry... though at times to worry is exactly what we need to be doing. our freedom has to be with his grace... we must put our eyes to him and it is only in that that we may put our hands to work or that we move forward rather than backward. I try to rejoice in the moment with God, in the present. you would be surprised at what kind of tricks I can pull when i'm at work. I can be working but also lost in wondering towards God even though sometimes i have to lose attention and try to be there with people when they come. but in general my soul trys to be happy towards God. to lift the soul to him even while doing manual labor is a blessing. i don't even try to pay attention to time... what is the point?

and so I do not desire to be in that picture of the cucumbers as the things I saw are so much more beautiful. it is each of our choice concerning what state of being we shall be in because we have freedom. but without Gods freedom, that is grace, along with our own freedom together working in one accord... sitting at his feet.. praying often to him for his goodness and reaching with all we are to him with our little weakness... and this God rejoices in and he uses his great strength to make us stable in him. this love towards God is something the world does not understand and I wish they could taste of it as some of us do but still I see how much God blesses us all whether we know it or not.

in the spirit we rejoice with God even if our poor flesh and soul becomes troubled... we may lean towards God. even in our pain we can dwell in it alone or we can dwell with the Lord with our pain. to come to God with sin and all is so much better than to keep on wallowing in our sins and finding no solution.... repeating over and over the pain and trouble... there is so much hope and love God has for us if we would but seek him... even if we dwell in hell.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I guess I could have just replied to you with a:

John 14:27 (YLT)
`Peace I leave to you; my peace I give to you, not according as the world doth give do I give to you; let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid;

John 16:33 (YLT)
these things I have spoken to you, that in me ye may have peace, in the world ye shall have tribulation, but take courage--I have overcome the world.'

John 1:9-14 (YLT)
He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world; in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him: to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him; but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God--to those believing in his name, who--not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but--of God were begotten. And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.

indeed we are not to worry... though at times to worry is exactly what we need to be doing. our freedom has to be with his grace... we must put our eyes to him and it is only in that that we may put our hands to work or that we move forward rather than backward.

Christ gives us peace but not as the world gives it. Romans 8 comes to mind.

 

[Noxot]

Christ gives us peace but not as the world gives it. Romans 8 comes to mind.

yeah I just read it. it certainly expresses the truth of seeking Christ. paul put his own experience down and this gets turned into theology for the younger ones. so from someones personal spiritual experience in Christ comes food that is good for you to eat but we can not live on bread alone but by every word coming from God who lives and dwells in us. the sad thing that happens is when those great and very worthy words are misunderstood by legalism and then Christianity turns into judgmentalism, into a "they are evil, I am good", into a "I am saved by grace though I push others away from Gods kingdom"... into a hypocritical man in glorious robes made by the hands of men... men who are those more worthy people and angels that preach Christ.. for it is written "nor of a will of man" which are those following Christ... as opposed to "a will of flesh" which is a more carnal minded person or a beast rather than man...


even of the angels it is said:

Rom 8:38-39 (YLT)
for I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor messengers, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things about to be, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of god, that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

not only of the various angelic powers set over man but also much more is described... for everlasting life is Gods purpose of reality... the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord and that is we in him and he in us and us in God.... it is by seeing in the Holy Spirit that we declare for ourselves that we shall not be separated from God. for this is the declaration of the mature son of God in the spirit of liberty.

and so this is the reality we live and walk in rather than only confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord... instead we confess with our freedom, soul, and spirit, and our entire being.

0_0

I tried to be mad at evil and it felt right and like justice for a little bit but then my head started hurting.. like too much stress chemicals where going on in my brain. being peaceful and innocent is much better. i'm a bit overly excited though. "I still hate evil though"... just typing that hurts my mind.

 

[x141]

What's the significance of the cucumbers? (That line caught my funny bone. )

Left to themselves, cucumbers will take over everything in a garden so that the garden becomes unfruitful.

Numbers 11:5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick:

Isaiah 1:8 And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.

Mark 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.