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I was a young Christian and ignorant of the truth at that time.
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I was a young Christian and ignorant of the truth at that time.
All I can say is that God is not through with ANY of us yet.Those who continue in (or die in) known intentional (willful) unrepentant sin, will not ever be saved, and never were saved and will never go to heaven...?
The "anti-grace" crowd are now touting this, so, what does it mean...? Any and all known sin...? And what does "intentional" or willful mean...? Or what does being unrepentant about it mean...? Does it mean your not currently or maybe in the future "repentant about it or over it", or does it mean you did not completely stop doing it, and never ever did it again after a certain point, kind of thing...?
Or what does any of this mean...?
What about people who refuse to see when they are clearly shown (their sin), and so it remains unknown, but only because they rejected the truth and refused to hear, so what does that mean...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
Hello Neogaia777.Those who continue in (or die in) known intentional (willful) unrepentant sin, will not ever be saved, and never were saved and will never go to heaven...?
The "anti-grace" crowd are now touting this, so, what does it mean...? Any and all known sin...? And what does "intentional" or willful mean...? Or what does being unrepentant about it mean...? Does it mean your not currently or maybe in the future "repentant about it or over it", or does it mean you did not completely stop doing it, and never ever did it again after a certain point, kind of thing...?
Or what does any of this mean...?
What about people who refuse to see when they are clearly shown (their sin), and so it remains unknown, but only because they rejected the truth and refused to hear, so what does that mean...?
Comments...?
God Bless!
Full knowledge of all of, or the whole truth...?Hello Neogaia777.
Study each verse below from Hebrews 10 and tell me how you understand verse 26 given the context.
Hebrews 10:10
By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:17
And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
Hebrews 10:29
How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
And, "willfully"...? What does that mean...? And how can we truly tell or know if we really are or not...? For not all sin that appears to be willful, is really truly willful sometimes... And I would even go as far to say, might be a part of God's will (plan) for you at the time...Hello Neogaia777.
Study each verse below from Hebrews 10 and tell me how you understand verse 26 given the context.
Hebrews 10:10
By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:17
And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
Hebrews 10:29
How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Do you think Paul meant that if you ever sin knowingly at all, after committing your life to Christ, that you are forever damned and forever condemned (to hell) after that...? and there is never any more, or any more chance of ever coming back or ever belonging to Christ again after that...? Cause I don't think that's what he meant...? I think Paul would say you were twisting his words...Hello Neogaia777.
Study each verse below from Hebrews 10 and tell me how you understand verse 26 given the context.
Hebrews 10:10
By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
Hebrews 10:17
And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.
Hebrews 10:22
Let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:26
For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins.
Hebrews 10:29
How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Could any one of us still even judge them....? Or can only God...?There have been several threads like this one in recent weeks. While the point of this thread and others is an important one, it still needs to be mentioned that only God decides who will and who will not be saved. I think that we should also recognize that all sins are not the same. Some are far more serious than others. Someone addicted to grave sin like adultery or spousal abuse could well be in serious trouble, however.
So, should we (judge) or do we have the right to (judge) or not...? When should we or must we judge and when should we not...? and when we must (judge), how are to handle it or view or look at it (our judging)...?Yes, there could well be factors in a certain person's life that God might consider when judging an eternal soul. Some have emotional handicaps as a result of trauma experienced as a child, some have physical handicaps, etc.
Yes, I believe you have to "own it" or own up to it, not be blaming others for "your sins" or errors or mistakes, ect, so to speak... and not be trying to justify either the sin or yourself in the sin, and feel sorry to a reasonable degree, and be "repentant" about it/them (sins) for as long as you are in them (which is all throughout this life I believe)... If one is being "honest" that is...To me, it means that one is in disagreement with God. It isnt that they sin "knowingly" but that they know it to be wrong, yet justify it as acceptable or "good".
For example:
Two people see someone that is not their husband or wife and they think impure thoughts of that person for just a moment.
The one that is "knowingly/willfully" sinning is the one that justifies/agrees with their flesh with such worldly justifications as "Its only natural" "No one is perfect" "Looking isnt the same as touching" ignoring their conscience to the point that they see no wrong in the wickedness they do.
Is it natural? Absolutely, but our hearts are wicked and deceitful. Jeremiah 17:9
Is anyone perfect? No, of course not, but Jesus took sin VERY seriously. If we are to take His name and follow Him, should we not also treat it as serious?
Is looking the same as touching? Depends who you agree with. If you agree with the world looking IS NOT the same as touching and is no big deal. IF you agree with Christ however.... Matthew 5:28.
The one that is in agreement with God, that "it" is sin and does not belong in their life. While they do stumble into sin. It is not in agreement with the world that it is acceptable.(whatever the "willful/known" sin is)
IF one agrees with God and prays that through the Spirit they will be strengthened to over come their sins of today are they not trying to be less like their flesh but to be and become closer to being like Christ?
Does it mean they will ever be perfect while in this flesh? Absolutely not, but it does mean that they are allowing God to clean "the inside of their cup" instead of simply cleaning up their appearance for the praise of men.
The one that justifies their sins as the world does is NO DIFFERENT than Adam, blaming Eve, even blaming God for his own mistake. How repentant is one that blames everyone or everything else to justify themself, instead of truly feeling remorse for a mistake.
"Sorry, I stepped on your toes, but you're the one the one that wore dark shoes into a dark room so it's your fault."
Or
"I'm so sorry, are you okay?"
Which is more remorseful?
We are no more worthy of salvation after a sin than we were before. It is our attitude toward that sin that decides "knowing/willful" from simply falling into a sin.
Peter denied the Lord, true. However I believe that was allowed to happen to show us the difference between the willful sinner and the reentive sinner.
Peter denied Christ repeatedly, sinning .. However that wasnt where his heart was, he knew what he did was wrong and HATED it. After he did, he wept bitterly showing that while he sinned, he didnt want that to be a part of him.
I believe that is to show us that even this act that is to have Jesus deny you before the Father is forgivable, even repeatedly as long as the heart is repentant and longs to be free of that sin.
Why is it forgivable for Peter to deny Him three times? I believe it is because his heart was with Christ, but the fear in his flesh (of death) caused him to commit the sin of denying Christ. (A sin which he clearly overcame after a continued walk with the Lord)
He didnt justify it saying "Well Jesus you said it would happen and you arent wrong so it's your fault."
I do believe however that IF continued justification of sin goes on long enough, that the sin will bring death to a person's conscience or harden their heart and they will feel separate from God.
I believe the amount in which one remains in sin depends on how serious they take their walk with Christ and how their mind has been changed towards sin.Yes, I believe you have to "own it" or own up to it, not be blaming others for "your sins" or errors or mistakes, ect, so to speak... and not be trying to justify either the sin or yourself in the sin, and feel sorry to a reasonable degree, and be "repentant" about it/them (sins) for as long as you are in them (which is all throughout this life I believe)... If one is being "honest" that is...
God Bless!
So true. Salvation is God's plan, not man's plan. Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our faith.There have been several threads like this one in recent weeks. While the point of this thread and others is an important one, it still needs to be mentioned that only God decides who will and who will not be saved.
Are you suggesting that the title of this thread is true??I think that we should also recognize that all sins are not the same. Some are far more serious than others. Someone addicted to grave sin like adultery or spousal abuse could well be in serious trouble, however.
I believe the elephant in the room is "hypocrisy". Are you a hypocrite or are you righteous? I myself was a hypocrite for quite a while! I rationalized my fornication while my mother a devout Christian judged my action as being one of a hypocritical Christian. I really did not see it. I just assumed God would forgive me and I would go on my merry way. It was not until the person, who is not really a Christian, after I preached to him about Jesus, that he said to me "how can you call yourself a Christian and have relations with me"? Are't you being a hypocrite? WOW! that was a tone of truth laid out before me. I was convicted right then and there. Yes, we are still together minus the relations. We plan to marry. So now that I laid that out....."if you love me you will keep my commandments". I do love HIM.Those who continue in (or die in) known intentional (willful) unrepentant sin, will not ever be saved, and never were saved and will never go to heaven...?
The "anti-grace" crowd are now touting this, so, what does it mean...? Any and all known sin...? And what does "intentional" or willful mean...? Or what does being unrepentant about it mean...? Does it mean your not currently or maybe in the future "repentant about it or over it", or does it mean you did not completely stop doing it, and never ever did it again after a certain point, kind of thing...?
Or what does any of this mean...?
What about people who refuse to see when they are clearly shown (their sin), and so it remains unknown, but only because they rejected the truth and refused to hear, so what does that mean...?
Comments...?
God Bless!