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[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015?[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Minister uses NASA forecasting to study signals of Jesus' return[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1]Posted: April 30, 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]11:49 pm Eastern[/SIZE]



[FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif]By Joe Kovacs[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]© 2008 WorldNetDaily [/SIZE]
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Total [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]lunar[/color][/color] eclipses often make the moon appear red

Will Jesus Christ return to Earth in the year 2015?

And can studying website provide evidence for such a scenario?

A minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days seven years from now could herald what's come to be known as the "Second Coming".

"God wants us to look at the biblical calendar," says Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash. "The reason we need to be watching is [because] He will signal His appearance. But we have to know what to be watching as well. So we need to be watching the biblical holidays."

In a video interview on the Prophecy in the News website, Biltz said he's been studying prophecies that focus on the sun and moon, even going back to the book of Genesis where it states the lights in the sky would be "be for signs, and for seasons."

"It means a signal, kind of like 'one if by land, two if by sea.' It's like God wants to signal us," he said. "The Hebrew word implies ... not only is it a signal, but it's a signal for coming or His appearing."

Biltz adds the word "seasons" implies appointed times for God's feasts and festivals.

"When we hear the word feast, we think food. But the Hebrew word has nothing to do with food. It has to do with a divine appointment, as if God has a day timer, and He says, 'OK, I'm gonna mark the day and the time when I'm going to signal My appearance.'"

In the Old Testament, the prophet Joel states, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." (Joel 2:31)

In the New Testament, Jesus is quoted as saying, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light ... And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30)

Gary Stearman of Prophecy in the News noted, "When we think of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving her light, we usually think of some catastrophe – perhaps the sun sputtering and the moon being affected by all this. But maybe it's time to rethink this a little bit and think of it as a natural cycle, the cycle of the eclipses."
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Phases of lunar and solar eclipses on NASA's [COLOR=blue! important][COLOR=blue! important]eclipse[/color][/color] website
Thus, Biltz began focusing on the precise times of both solar and lunar eclipses, sometimes called "blood moons" since the moon often takes on a bloody color. He logged onto NASA's eclipse website which provides precision tracking of the celestial events.

He noted a rare phenomenon of four consecutive total lunar eclipses, known as a tetrad.

He says during this century, tetrads occur at least six times, but what's interesting is that the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with God's holy days of Passover in the spring and the autumn's Feast of Tabernacles (also called Succoth) occurs between 2014 and 2015 on today's Gregorian calendar.

"The fact that it doesn't happen again in this century I think is very significant," Biltz explains. "So then I looked at last century, and, believe it or not, the last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967 and 1968 tied to Jerusalem recaptured by Israel."

He then started to notice a pattern of the tetrads.

"What's significant to me is that even before 1967, the next time that you had four blood red moons again was right after Israel became a nation in '48, it happened again in 1949 and 1950 ... on Passover and Succoth. You didn't have any astronomical tetrads in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s. In the 1500s, there were six, but none of those fell on Passover and Succoth."

When checking the schedule for solar eclipses, Biltz found two – one on the first day of the Hebrew year and the next on the high holy day of Rosh Hashanah, the first day of the seventh Hebrew month. Both of these take place in the 2014-2015 year.
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The sun's corona becomes visible during a solar eclipse

Biltz says, "You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total [COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]lunar [/font][COLOR=blue! important][FONT='Times New Roman', Georgia, Serif]eclipse[/font][/color][/font][/color][/color] on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015."

"If you think that this is a coincidence, I want you to know that it's time!" exclaimed Prophecy in the News host J.R. Church. "There are no more of these for the rest of the century."

The prospect of eclipses pinpointing the time of Jesus' return is getting mixed reaction in Christian circles.

After seeing Biltz's interview, Jim Bramlett, an author and former vice president for the Christian Broadcasting Network, expressed excitement.

"I have just watched the program two times and do not think I have ever been more encouraged or excited about the soon return of the Lord!" Bramlett said.

But Hal Lindsey, a well-known biblical analyst and author of "The Late Great" says while he hasn't heard of Biltz's theory, he called it "pure speculation."

"In my 50-something years of studying prophecy, to me the greatest indication of the time of Christ's return is based around the general things of prophecies coming together in the same time frame."

He mentioned not only Israel's birth as a political state in 1948, but the increase in tensions with Muslims, the rise of Russia, China and the European Union, which he says is even "calling itself the revived Roman Empire."

"I see the whole sweep and panorama spinning together in a precise scenario," he said.

During a second video interview, Biltz was presented with Bible quotes that many think suggest Jesus' return will be a complete surprise, or at least not specifically known.

The 25th chapter of Matthew features a parable where Jesus likens His kingdom to ten virgins all waiting for the arrival of their bridegroom.

Jesus said in the story, "ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:13)

Biltz says people need to examine the quote in its proper context.

"When He says you don't know the day or the hour, He's speaking to the foolish virgins, not the wise virgins," he explained.

Biltz was also asked about the famous statement in Matthew 24:36 when Jesus was discussing the signs of His "coming, and of the end of the world": "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

He responded by referring to the annual Feast of Trumpets holiday, saying Israelites never knew the precise moment it began, "because it was based on the sighting of the new moon."

"When He (Jesus) says you won't know the day or the hour, He's telling you it's the Feast of Trumpets because that was known as the feast where no one knew the day or the hour that it would begin," said Biltz. "So it's kind of like if I told you, 'I'm not going to tell you when I'm coming, but "Gobble, gobble, gobble,'" [pointing to] Turkey Day."

Church stressed despite the information suggesting 2015 could be a pivotal time, "We don't know that that will be the concluding year of the tribulation period ... so we're not setting a date and saying this is a warning. We're introducing the possibility of a watch."

This info I found today online and it just rang a bell with me...not sure why..but thought I would share and get others thoughts too! Thanks, hannah :wave:
 

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not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but why do some folks continue to try and figure out Jesus' return? i thought Jesus had made it clear (acts 1:7).

please don't think i have bad tone here, that is not the case. only making a plea. :thumbsup:

Okay, I'll give you the best reason I know...He said in His word...for those who read and with wisdom try to understand the last chapter in the bible..."He would bless them"! So, that is why "I" am not trying to predict a date...just making sure people remember HE said..to keep your eyes focused on the heavenly things...and I do! Praise God for all the info He did give us to work with...so we could have some sense of understanding, amen! a sister in Christ, and also NOT saying this with anger, just my own opinion as to "the why" that you asked! Thanks for responding and NICE to meet you! hannah :wave:
 
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They get originality points for not claiming it will happen in 2012

Well, I will have to agree with you on that one! :thumbsup:

I kinda guess that is why it is interesting...there is no "earthly" reason for it to be in that year..other than "signs and wonders" in the heavenlies!

Don't want anyone offended by an article, just thought it was interesting, that's all...so thanks for the comments! :wave:
 
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Yeah thanks. I found the article interesting & would like to take a peek at the links offered when possible.

My first thought was signs in the heavenlies are what caught the attention of the Magi.

Why wouldn't such odd occurences coincide with Jesus' second coming and the Jewish festivals? I know we are not to predict the exact date & time, bcause we all need to be ready every moment. I do believe that as His return becomes closer & closer the Holy Spirit in all believers will be impressing on us the need to get the harvest in & be ready to be gravityless. Some Christians don't realise the importance of watching Israel, and the scripture says that the Lord does nothing without telling His prophets. Besides we are commanded to be watchful & know the seasons as well as being blessed for reading Revelations. We are commanded to not be ignorant of such things.


So not only should we be seeing the signs ect we I believe we should have a knowing in our heart and spirit that Jesus is coming for the true church.
Now knowing who is truely speaking prophetic word about and instruction about His return...Well I'm still working on that one:)
 
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Wow, I'm sorry I thought the link was already at the top there too! But, I will look for it, I do believe I remember where I saw this article, so...no problem...and "I do remember there were other links that led you to other sites"! Brb....and "yes" there are other links that talk about other subjects that pertain to His coming and other biblical topics. But, anyways, here's the site:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=63076

Hope that helps! And, thank you for your thoughts too! I do agree that alot of Christians are feeling something they aren't sure about what it is, but for me..I pray it is HIS soon return, amen! And, that the Holy Spirit is leading us into His pastures, amen! a sister in Christ, hannah :wave: Nice to meet you!

PS If you like reading news related to the prophetic, here's one you may enjoy!

www.raptureready.com

Enjoy!!! BTW...just click on the news section! Or read the whole site, but I'll give you warning...their forum friends aren't that friendly, but that was just my experience...but you could give it a shot! :thumbsup:
 
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I don't think it particularly matters when he comes back.

I do believe in the word it says..don't be like a foolish virgin and not have your oil lamps ready and have some awareness of the Masters return. It does say "we should know the season" though not the exact time and date. So, I just like keeping informed...don't want to be caught without my oil lamp lit, amen! ;)

For some I think...it matters alot, maybe to those who don't think it matters, maybe one should rethink that thought...I dunno? :doh:

But, HE did say...Be alert, be watching the heavenlies for signs and be ready...always! And, in Revelations it also says...for those who attempt to understand these words...they would be blessed. And, I'm sorry that I can't quote the scriptures exactly, but I still am learning too! Amen!

BTW....Nice to meet you and be blessed, hannah :wave:
 
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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mat. 24:30-31).

The significant signs from this passage are as follows:

  • the sun will be darkened (solar eclipse)
  • the moon will not give its light (new moon)
  • the stars will fall from heaven (meteor shower)
  • the powers of the heavens will be shaken (satellites and the space station disrupted by solar activity - see Isaiah 30:4)
  • the sign of the Son of Man will appear (Jupiter, the guide for the Magi)
The four possible dates for these events are:

  • April 29, 2014 Solar eclipse/new moon, May 4-7 meteor shower
  • Oct. 23, 2014 Solar eclipse/new moon, Nov.16-19 meteor shower
  • Mar. 20, 2015 Solar eclipse/new moon, Apr. 20-23 meteor shower
  • Sept. 13, 2015 Solar eclipse/new moon Oct. 20-23 meteor shower
While the solar flares could happen at any time, my tracking of Jupiter indicates that it would be possible to see on any of these dates. History does not adequately describe any other planets that might be near Jupiter to make it clear that it is the sign of the Son of Man (We'll know it when we see it, assuming we're alive).

Most people who have latched onto this story favor Sept. 13, 2015 as the time interval we can expect Christ's return b/c it happens to land on the Feast of Trumpets and it reads that the elect will be gathered by angels after Christ sounds the trumpet (v.31) and is associated with the idiom "that day and hour no one knows" (v.36). The Feast of Trumpets is the only Jewish Holiday that is identified by a sliver of light of a new moon, which is unpredictable by sight, given the 29.53 day cycle of the lunar month.

I reject that date because I do not believe that Christ would gather us on Feast of Trumpets. They kept 3 books in ancient times: the book of life, the book of the damned, and the book of those who could go either way. These books would be opened on The Feast of Trumpets and those in the last book would have 9 days until the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) to make things right with God. It just doesn't fit the picture of the elect.

I favor the April 29 - May 4-7, 2014 interval because:

  • It fits the 70th Seven prophecy of Daniel 9:27 being fulfilled by the European Neighborhood Policy agreement. Both agreements have a midpoint where things can be changed and both agreements allow for the religious sacrifice of animals, so it's a spooky coincidence.
  • By my calculation, May 5, 2014 day is Passover. Jesus was killed before Passover and missed the 7 day feast.
  • The Passover marks the anniversary of the Exodus
  • This is the only time interval that falls on a Jubilee year (by my calculations)
  • That day and hour that only the Father knows is in keeping with the parable in Matthew 25:1-13.

Matthew 25 and the Bride of Christ
"To understand why Jesus refers to the Rapture as Him coming for His bride, you must understand the ancient ceremony of the wedding given to Israel at the time of Moses. A man who wishes to marry a woman would go to the woman's father and ask for her hand. If the Father approves, then the man goes 'to build a place for her', which means, build a house, start a career, be able to support her. When the father determines that the man is ready, he sends him a message and the man comes for his bride. While this is all happening, the woman will always keep a lamp lit in her room at night in wait for him to come. The man would always come 'like a thief in the night' and elope with her and take her to the Wedding Chamber, where they would be sealed away, consummating the marriage for 7 days."


Summary of the 70th Seven vs. the ENP Agreement

I compared the 7 year European Neighborhood Policy agreement to the passage in Daniel 9:27 that describes the 7 “year” agreement made by the Antichrist. By using a Jubilee Calendar that uses 30 day months and has leap months for Sabbath years and the Jubilee year, I compiled a timetable for the 70th Seven. Jewish calendars are unreliable in this instance because they still can't disagree whether the Jubilee year should be year 49 or 50 and it is definitely not 5767. There are missing years that should bring our total closer to 6000, with the next 1000 years being the Millennial reign of Christ. The relevant passages of scripture that led to my choice of calendars and corresponding dates were Daniel 9:27, 12:11-12, Matthew 24, and Revelation 17:12-14

THE 7Oth SEVEN KEY DATES: (note that Jewish Holidays begin at sundown the day BEFORE the given date) You'll notice that the themes of the Jewish holidays and anniversaries match the important days of the 70th Seven. I also included the Mayan date because I didn't want people looking for Christ in reaction to cosmic disturbances that may or may not happen on that day.

The Feast of Esther - March 29, 2007: the first day of the religious calendar

Feast of Trumpets - September 9, 2010: sacrifices and offerings are abolished in Israel

Last Day of Mayan calendar - December 21, 2012: possible cosmic disturbances similar to those described in Matthew 24

Plague of Darkness - March 22, 2014*: the day the Antichrist sets up the abomination in the temple (Exodus 10:21-29).

Purim Victory celebration/Jerusalem Gate Day - April 5, 2014: the last day of Satan's reign followed by Christ's return (date/time???)

Passover Feast (7 days) - May 5, 2014: the day we will celebrate with the Lord in heaven

*NOTE: There is a large asteroid headed towards Earth called 2003QQ47. If it comes near the planet as predicted, it will arrive on the evening the Antichrist would proclaim himself as God.
 
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I just had to stop and say..WOW...very interesting thoughts. And, alot are similiar to how I think too. Hmmmm, wonder if we shall really see Him in our lifetime? I pray so...and it seems to be likely too! Amen!

I second that amen sis':thumbsup::clap:
 
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“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Mat. 24:30-31).

The significant signs from this passage are as follows:

  • the sun will be darkened (solar eclipse)
  • the moon will not give its light (new moon)
  • the stars will fall from heaven (meteor shower)
  • the powers of the heavens will be shaken (satellites and the space station disrupted by solar activity - see Isaiah 30:4)
  • the sign of the Son of Man will appear (Jupiter, the guide for the Magi)
The four possible dates for these events are:

  • April 29, 2014 Solar eclipse/new moon, May 4-7 meteor shower
  • Oct. 23, 2014 Solar eclipse/new moon, Nov.16-19 meteor shower
  • Mar. 20, 2015 Solar eclipse/new moon, Apr. 20-23 meteor shower
  • Sept. 13, 2015 Solar eclipse/new moon Oct. 20-23 meteor shower
While the solar flares could happen at any time, my tracking of Jupiter indicates that it would be possible to see on any of these dates. History does not adequately describe any other planets that might be near Jupiter to make it clear that it is the sign of the Son of Man (We'll know it when we see it, assuming we're alive).

Most people who have latched onto this story favor Sept. 13, 2015 as the time interval we can expect Christ's return b/c it happens to land on the Feast of Trumpets and it reads that the elect will be gathered by angels after Christ sounds the trumpet (v.31) and is associated with the idiom "that day and hour no one knows" (v.36). The Feast of Trumpets is the only Jewish Holiday that is identified by a sliver of light of a new moon, which is unpredictable by sight, given the 29.53 day cycle of the lunar month.

I reject that date because I do not believe that Christ would gather us on Feast of Trumpets. They kept 3 books in ancient times: the book of life, the book of the damned, and the book of those who could go either way. These books would be opened on The Feast of Trumpets and those in the last book would have 9 days until the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) to make things right with God. It just doesn't fit the picture of the elect.

I favor the April 29 - May 4-7, 2014 interval because:

  • It fits the 70th Seven prophecy of Daniel 9:27 being fulfilled by the European Neighborhood Policy agreement. Both agreements have a midpoint where things can be changed and both agreements allow for the religious sacrifice of animals, so it's a spooky coincidence.
  • By my calculation, May 5, 2014 day is Passover. Jesus was killed before Passover and missed the 7 day feast.
  • The Passover marks the anniversary of the Exodus
  • This is the only time interval that falls on a Jubilee year (by my calculations)
  • That day and hour that only the Father knows is in keeping with the parable in Matthew 25:1-13.

Matthew 25 and the Bride of Christ


"To understand why Jesus refers to the Rapture as Him coming for His bride, you must understand the ancient ceremony of the wedding given to Israel at the time of Moses. A man who wishes to marry a woman would go to the woman's father and ask for her hand. If the Father approves, then the man goes 'to build a place for her', which means, build a house, start a career, be able to support her. When the father determines that the man is ready, he sends him a message and the man comes for his bride. While this is all happening, the woman will always keep a lamp lit in her room at night in wait for him to come. The man would always come 'like a thief in the night' and elope with her and take her to the Wedding Chamber, where they would be sealed away, consummating the marriage for 7 days."



Summary of the 70th Seven vs. the ENP Agreement



I compared the 7 year European Neighborhood Policy agreement to the passage in Daniel 9:27 that describes the 7 “year” agreement made by the Antichrist. By using a Jubilee Calendar that uses 30 day months and has leap months for Sabbath years and the Jubilee year, I compiled a timetable for the 70th Seven. Jewish calendars are unreliable in this instance because they still can't disagree whether the Jubilee year should be year 49 or 50 and it is definitely not 5767. There are missing years that should bring our total closer to 6000, with the next 1000 years being the Millennial reign of Christ. The relevant passages of scripture that led to my choice of calendars and corresponding dates were Daniel 9:27, 12:11-12, Matthew 24, and Revelation 17:12-14

THE 7Oth SEVEN KEY DATES: (note that Jewish Holidays begin at sundown the day BEFORE the given date) You'll notice that the themes of the Jewish holidays and anniversaries match the important days of the 70th Seven. I also included the Mayan date because I didn't want people looking for Christ in reaction to cosmic disturbances that may or may not happen on that day.

The Feast of Esther - March 29, 2007: the first day of the religious calendar

Feast of Trumpets - September 9, 2010: sacrifices and offerings are abolished in Israel

Last Day of Mayan calendar - December 21, 2012: possible cosmic disturbances similar to those described in Matthew 24

Plague of Darkness - March 22, 2014*: the day the Antichrist sets up the abomination in the temple (Exodus 10:21-29).

Purim Victory celebration/Jerusalem Gate Day - April 5, 2014: the last day of Satan's reign followed by Christ's return (date/time???)

Passover Feast (7 days) - May 5, 2014: the day we will celebrate with the Lord in heaven

*NOTE: There is a large asteroid headed towards Earth called 2003QQ47. If it comes near the planet as predicted, it will arrive on the evening the Antichrist would proclaim himself as God.

It is very interesting. So often I feel I don't understand scripture like I could as an educated Jewish person and this is another opportunity to learn.
 
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More fodder for gullible Christians. How many more idiots are there out there who fall for this nonsense? How many more times will be people think up dates and then they pass without incident?

Maybe instead of idle speculation you could go and love your neighbour or something...
 
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More fodder for gullible Christians. How many more idiots are there out there who fall for this nonsense? How many more times will be people think up dates and then they pass without incident?

Maybe instead of idle speculation you could go and love your neighbour or something...

I can and "do" love my brothers and sisters upon this earth and pray for everyone daily...I will pray for you too brother. May our Lord show "you" HIS amazing truths...they are in the New Testament, and then you too...can without too much trouble "see" for yourself...that His words are truth and HE is coming soon! :clap:

I sir, am "not" predicting a date...just the "season" which is what HE said He would show us to recognise when He just may be right around the corner! May His light shine upon you so you shall not be left in the dark, amen! :prayer: from just one of many His kingdom kids here, hannah :wave:
 
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If you're interested in eclipses here is NASA's eclipse page:

http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse.html

Well thank you kind sir...I will check that out as soon as we get back from mom's day dinner/lunch? not sure which she is calling it....but we'll be back later. Looking forward to reading this..love the universe, and all things of science! Thanks again, hannah :wave:
 
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