The Lord's Day of Wrath

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THE LORDS WRATH – how will it happen?
This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:

Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion and our satellites would crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
 

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THE LORDS WRATH – how will it happen?
This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:

Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion and our satellites would crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
"Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked." sounds more like a meteor shower, one with meteors large enough to hit the ground with a fair bit of force.

"reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide." when was last documented case of a CME having this effect??

Why would satellites crash to earth? A CME does not change orbital physics.
 
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sounds more like a meteor shower
This idea simply does not fit with the over 70 prophesies describing the terrible Day the Lord will strike the earth with fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis.
when was last documented case of a CME having this effect??
There has never been an CME of the magnitude Prophesied and there will never be another like it. Joel 2:2b
The CME nearest to it was in 1865, the Carrington sunspot exploded and caused much damage to the early electrical systems. Another one like it would be enough to cause huge devastation and disruption to our modern society.
Why would satellites crash to earth? A CME does not change orbital physics.
If you cared to find out about what a big CME can do, then you would know that firstly the initial flash will arrive within 8 minutes, with the EMP and microwaves, to destroy electrical systems and cause earthquakes. Deuteronomy 32:22
Then about 24 hours later the main mass of superheated hydrogen will arrive and its pressure wave will force satellites down. When it strikes the earth, as we are told at noon day Middle Eastern time, Zephaniah 2:1-8, anyone not under cover will be killed. Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17
 
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THE LORDS WRATH – how will it happen?
This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – will happen at the same time as an attack against Israel. Psalms 7:12-16, Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12 People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:

Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
Psalm 11:4-6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In Days to come you will understand.
Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become a fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
Isaiah 30:26-30 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
Isaiah 63:1-6

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.
Maybe the sun is building up to a huge Coronal Mass Ejection, something we do experience with minor CME’s. They happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and are capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport; our modern infrastructure could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.

A CME explosion of the suns surface, as described in Isaiah 30:26, with the sun flashing 7 times brighter, would be one of unprecedented magnitude and would literally cause all the graphically prophesied effects. For example; the moon would shine bright red as it reflects this sun explosion and our satellites would crash to the earth, like ripe figs falling.
No doubt planet earth will experience adverse climatic events .... however on "that day" the day the Lord returns it will be complete destruction of the inhabitants on planet earth ... the earth will be left totally desolate ... this desolation will happen due to His presence ... not sun spots. ie no one can see God an live.
 
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No doubt planet earth will experience adverse climatic events .... however on "that day" the day the Lord returns it will be complete destruction of the inhabitants on planet earth ... the earth will be left totally desolate ... this desolation will happen due to His presence ... not sun spots. ie no one can see God an live.
That you are quite wrong, is proved by Revelation 15:1, where it says that God's wrath is over before Jesus Returns.
Where, in Revelation 19:15 God's wrath is mentioned, it is as being completed - as all of Revelation before the Return tells us.

Jesus does NOT come to rule over a desolate earth!
 
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Zechariah chapter 14, no nuclear war.
Revelation chapter 13, The one world political system is coming. Near future, the system receives deadly wound. At the 6th trump, satan as antichrist will heal deadly wound. By establishing world peace. Its 5 month period, revelation chapter 9.
Matthew chapter 24, Were at the beginning of sorrows. Its labor pains that increase until the 6th trump comes. Antichrist will arrive first.
At the 7th trump, Jesus arrives at Jerusalem. Those who worshipped antichrist will end up in sheol. It's holding place for the spirtualty dead or wicked.
Revelation chapter 20. It's time of teaching and discipline for the spirtualty dead or wicked. This is the millennium. At judgement day, some people will get eternal life. Some people will follow satan into lake of fire. I documented this.
 
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That you are quite wrong, is proved by Revelation 15:1, where it says that God's wrath is over before Jesus Returns.
Where, in Revelation 19:15 God's wrath is mentioned, it is as being completed - as all of Revelation before the Return tells us.

Jesus does NOT come to rule over a desolate earth!
He rules over heaven and earth. He does not return to dwell in this sinful world .... He returns to eliminate it (sin). When He returns .... that is not the final end ... the first resurrection happens (of the saved) (changed, sin removed and in new bodies) those go to heaven .... who is left on planet earth? satan and his minions (they don't require earths atmosphere etc for their existence - the earth is indeed desolate) .... who comes up in the 2nd resurrection? The evil dead are resurrected in their sinful condition ... why? to receive final judgement for eternity (non existence for eternity) along with satan and his minions.

Everyone's existence is dependent upon Him alone now and forever. We (saved) will still be human in heaven but not subject to death because of the cleansing blood of Jesus .... that has eliminated sin. We won't be tempted to sin because satan and his minions will not have to access to us. As long as there are inhabitants on current planet earth ..... there is sin.

Colossians 1:16​

16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jesus did everything necessary to provide the path back for everyone back to Him .... the door of salvation is open to everyone until He returns for anyone that will.

Everything was/is fulfilled in Jesus .... EVERYTHING! He rules now and forever AMEN!

The wages of sin is death ..... Jesus overcame death at the cross .... it is finished.
 
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Zechariah chapter 14, no nuclear war.
Right, there is not a nuke war described in Zech 14, or anywhere else in the Bible.
What over 100 Prophesies do describe is a sudden and shocking strike upon the earth by a Coronal Mass Ejection.
Jesus overcame death at the cross .... it is finished.
You have some very funny ideas.
Death continues to happen. Death is not done away with until after the Millennium. Rev 20:1-7

However; all who believe in Jesus and keep His Commandments, will not get the Second Death, when everyone is Judged, Rev 20:11-15
 
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Doom is fast approaching - The 2000 year Church age is nearly over.

Deuteronomy 32:34-35 & 43 I have sealed up in My storehouses, punishments against My enemies, till the Day of vengeance and wrath, at the moment their foot slips. For the Day of their downfall is near, their doom is fast approaching. Y’hovah will punish those who hate Him and cleanse His peoples Land.

Isaiah 2:21 On that Day, the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.

Isaiah 13:1-8 My troops, eager for victory, with the weapons of the Lord’s wrath.

Jeremiah 4:20 Crash follow crash, for the whole land goes down in ruin. Suddenly my tents are thrown down, my coverings in an instant.

Isaiah 66:6 The noise and distress that you hear, is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes.

Psalms 110:1-6 In glorious majesty He judges the nations, shattering heads throughout the wide earth.



Judgement of fire A coronal mass ejection from the sun will strike the earth:

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all arrogant evildoers will be as stubble, they will be destroyed in a fiery blaze.

Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, punishment will come, storms, earthquakes and a flame of devouring fire.

Isaiah 66:16 The Lord will judge with fire and sword, many will be slain by Him.

Ezekiel 21:28 A sword of slaughter will flash like lightening.

Isaiah 10:17-19 Sudden destruction. As sudden as someone falling in a fit.

Psalm 21:8-9 Your hand will reach all Your enemies, all who hate You. In Your anger, You will engulf them as in a fiery furnace and fire will consume them.

Ezekiel 20:47-48 Say to the Land: I am about to kindle a fire in you, it will consume all flammable material, its fiery flame cannot be put out and everyone will be scorched by it.

Destroyed at the moment of attack:

Amos 5:9 He makes destruction flash forth against the mighty.

Psalm 140:9 When those who beset me raise their heads, may their conspiracies engulf them.

Habakkuk 3:14 You pierce their leaders with Your arrows, they are swept away by a whirlwind as they open their jaws to secretly devour their victims.

Psalms 37:12-15 The wicked have drawn their swords and strung their bows, to slaughter the righteous. Their weapons will cut their own hearts and their bows will be shattered.

Psalms 7:12-16 The enemy prepares to attack, he has conceived mischief and given birth to lies. He has dug a deep pit, but he himself will fall into it.

Psalms 9:15-17 The wicked are trapped in their own devices. The wicked depart to Sheol, all the nations who are heedless of the Lord.
Ref: REB. Verses abridged

The scenario:

Nuclear tipped missiles are prepared for launching. At the moment the firing button is pressed, a massive CME strikes the area. The highly charged particles cause the bombs and the missiles to explode on the ground.
 
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What is the basis that you arrive at the 2000 year time frame?
The exact tines of the two ages prior to the Church age:

First was the 2000 year age of the Patriarchs, from 3970,5 BC to 1970.5 BC.
Next was the 2000 year age of the Law and Israel; from 1970.5 to 29.5 AD.
Now is the Church age, of which about 1993 years have passed.
Future, is the 1000 year Millennium reign of Jesus as world ruler.

Then comes the final Judgment and Eternity. The completion of Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind.
Thes dates have been obtained solely from Bible information, such as the ages of the Patriarchs, the length of the kings reigns, and the date given in Luke 3:1-2
 
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The exact tines of the two ages prior to the Church age:

First was the 2000 year age of the Patriarchs, from 3970,5 BC to 1970.5 BC.
Next was the 2000 year age of the Law and Israel; from 1970.5 to 29.5 AD.
Now is the Church age, of which about 1993 years have passed.
Future, is the 1000 year Millennium reign of Jesus as world ruler.

Then comes the final Judgment and Eternity. The completion of Gods 7000 year Plan for mankind.
Thes dates have been obtained solely from Bible information, such as the ages of the Patriarchs, the length of the kings reigns, and the date given in Luke 3:1-2
ok, but i'd say the 1st 2 2000 yr periods are more coincidence rather than a pattern that will repeat.
While not saying it won't happen, the odds that the Church age ends in the next 10 to 15 years is very low. A lot of things would need to happen to set the stage for such a thing, ie Geopolitics changing so much that it allows a antichrist type figure to rise up and take control of the majority of the middle east if not the world.

Russia, while it will probably win the way in Ukraine, barring a Nato entry, will have effectively spent it military forces and will want need to have a couple of decades to recover, re-arm etc if it does indeed have ambitions to take over more countries (I don't believe it does).
If Nato enters then Russia will likely be defeated but then the chances of a nuclear exchange go up dramatically. I suppose a nuclear exchange taking out the USA, Europe & Russia would leave a power vacuum in the middle east, one that could give the opportunity for a localized antichrist figure to rise up among the muslim populations.

I think we will get to 2035 and nothing major will have happened and, by 2040, at a stretch, then many people will have to completely re-evaluate their thinking on the 2nd coming prophecies, they may not happen for another thousands years yet for all we know. In short around 2035 to 2040 Christianity will go through a bit of a mini-crisis.
 
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ok, but i'd say the 1st 2 2000 yr periods are more coincidence rather than a pattern that will repeat.

God calling Abraham out of Mesopotamia was a coincidence?

God sending Moses to gather Israel out of Egypt was a coincidence?

While not saying it won't happen, the odds that the Church age ends in the next 10 to 15 years is very low. A lot of things would need to happen to set the stage for such a thing, ie Geopolitics changing so much that it allows a antichrist type figure to rise up and take control of the majority of the middle east if not the world.

Russia, while it will probably win the way in Ukraine, barring a Nato entry, will have effectively spent it military forces and will want need to have a couple of decades to recover, re-arm etc if it does indeed have ambitions to take over more countries (I don't believe it does).
If Nato enters then Russia will likely be defeated but then the chances of a nuclear exchange go up dramatically. I suppose a nuclear exchange taking out the USA, Europe & Russia would leave a power vacuum in the middle east, one that could give the opportunity for a localized antichrist figure to rise up among the muslim populations.

I think we will get to 2035 and nothing major will have happened and, by 2040, at a stretch, then many people will have to completely re-evaluate their thinking on the 2nd coming prophecies, they may not happen for another thousands years yet for all we know. In short around 2035 to 2040 Christianity will go through a bit of a mini-crisis.
Like when the church went through a mini crisis when Israel became a nation and had to rethink eschatology?

God did set the type. God said humans would have to labor under sin for 6 days. Then the Day of the Lord would come like a thief in the night.

The Second Coming will be a power vacuum. God will shake things up so much it will put the world back into the stone age. All of mankind's works will be burned up. Unless people are currently hiding them deep in the ground, and then can find them after all the mountains are moved around, people will be in a heep of trouble. Trouble like never before even worse than the Flood, because at least all the food and animals were on the Ark to start over.

Can you convince the current world governments they are about to loose everything? Can you convince them to stockpile deep under ground, and then tell them God is going to move continents around? That is the only preparation for the Second Coming at the 6th Seal.

Most people think 2 Peter 3 happens at the end of time. They don't realize that time does not stop at the Second Coming. The final harvest starts at the Second Coming. All on earth will physically die eventually. Not right away. Unlike the Flood, they will not immediately die, but suffer through the worse conditions ever known to mankind, while Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem deciding who gets eternal life and who gets eternal damnation. Jesus is not here to give first aid to Adam's dead condition. Jesus is here to remove souls from Adam's dead flesh. The first aid was administered at the Cross. Humans would experience the second birth while still fighting against Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

There is literally nothing that "needs to happen" to prepare for the Second Coming. Israel becoming a nation was the only sign of preparation. The Second Coming, itself will prepare earth for what happens after. At least the preparation you think needs to happen.
 
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God calling Abraham out of Mesopotamia was a coincidence?

God sending Moses to gather Israel out of Egypt was a coincidence?
Really, did you & do you misunderstand things that easily? The coincidence was not the events but the fact that the periods lasted 2000 years. I don't think that is any reliable guide to the length of the next one (ie current period we are in) but time, next 10 years to 15 years, will tell.
 
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The Second Coming will be a power vacuum. God will shake things up so much it will put the world back into the stone age. All of mankind's works will be burned up. Unless people are currently hiding them deep in the ground, and then can find them after all the mountains are moved around, people will be in a heep of trouble. Trouble like never before even worse than the Flood, because at least all the food and animals were on the Ark to start over.

Can you convince the current world governments they are about to loose everything? Can you convince them to stockpile deep under ground, and then tell them God is going to move continents around? That is the only preparation for the Second Coming at the 6th Seal.

Most people think 2 Peter 3 happens at the end of time. They don't realize that time does not stop at the Second Coming. The final harvest starts at the Second Coming. All on earth will physically die eventually. Not right away. Unlike the Flood, they will not immediately die, but suffer through the worse conditions ever known to mankind, while Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem deciding who gets eternal life and who gets eternal damnation. Jesus is not here to give first aid to Adam's dead condition. Jesus is here to remove souls from Adam's dead flesh. The first aid was administered at the Cross. Humans would experience the second birth while still fighting against Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

There is literally nothing that "needs to happen" to prepare for the Second Coming. Israel becoming a nation was the only sign of preparation. The Second Coming, itself will prepare earth for what happens after. At least the preparation you think needs to happen.
The 2nd coming won't create a power vacuum as Jesus will be in charge, He will rule for a 1000 years with an iron rod. It will be a time of great peace and prosperity & Israel will be the dominant nation. They will see & get what they could have had 2000 years ago if they had not rejected Christ back then. People will not be immortal (except resurrected ones) during the millennium but they will live much longer than people do now in general.
For reasons that we can not really fathom, they still rebel towards the end, yes, Satan is released and deceives them, but we can not fathom how or why they would be deceived having seen and seeing Jesus in real life. Yet they do & the final rebellion is put down at the end of the millennium. Mountains falling etc happens when Jesus returns the 2nd time.
 
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ok, but i'd say the 1st 2 2000 yr periods are more coincidence rather than a pattern that will repeat.
Some coincidence!
You are typical, in how you push any serious change or forthcoming disaster, out to beyond the time you really need to seriously prepare for it.

Not that we can actually do anything to mitigate what is Prophesied to happen. But just to know what the Lord will use on that Day, will be a help, as we can know why it happens and know what He Promises to those who stand firm in their faith and trusting in His protection through it all.
Israel will be the dominant nation.
You are another one sucked in by thinking that Jewish Israel is still the chosen people.
This idea is a contradiction of the entire New Testament message, where ONLY believers in Jesus are the true peoples of God. from every tribe, race, nation and language.
The fate of Judah is well prophesied and only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27



a antichrist type figure to rise up
Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:8-13 are clear: there will be a One World Government, formed soon after the Sixth Seal event, that one powerful and charismatic man will become dictator of. Revelation 13
 
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Really, did you & do you misunderstand things that easily? The coincidence was not the events but the fact that the periods lasted 2000 years. I don't think that is any reliable guide to the length of the next one (ie current period we are in) but time, next 10 years to 15 years, will tell.
That is what I have been told that I misrepresent people's positions.

God created time. How can intervals of time be a coincidence?
 
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The 2nd coming won't create a power vacuum as Jesus will be in charge, He will rule for a 1000 years with an iron rod. It will be a time of great peace and prosperity & Israel will be the dominant nation. They will see & get what they could have had 2000 years ago if they had not rejected Christ back then. People will not be immortal (except resurrected ones) during the millennium but they will live much longer than people do now in general.
For reasons that we can not really fathom, they still rebel towards the end, yes, Satan is released and deceives them, but we can not fathom how or why they would be deceived having seen and seeing Jesus in real life. Yet they do & the final rebellion is put down at the end of the millennium. Mountains falling etc happens when Jesus returns the 2nd time.
I was not talking about the Day of the Lord.

I was talking about the great tribulation between the Second Coming and the Day of the Lord.
 
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You are another one sucked in by thinking that Jewish Israel is still the chosen people.
This idea is a contradiction of the entire New Testament message, where ONLY believers in Jesus are the true peoples of God. from every tribe, race, nation and language.
The fate of Judah is well prophesied and only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27
The Jews are Gods chosen people & He will fulfill all His promises to them. However its only the ones that come to believe in Jesus Christ as their true Messiah that make it through the Tribulation, they are the remnant.
 
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The Jews are Gods chosen people & He will fulfill all His promises to them.
The Jews were part of Gods chosen people.
God will fulfil His Promises to Israel, that is: to the Israelites who are the Overcomers for God. as Jacob was and as we see in each of the 7 Church's of Revelation.
As Jesus said: God can raise up children of Abraham from the very stones and we Christians are his Spiritual descendants. Galatians 3:26-29

John 3:36 is clear: ONLY believers in Jesus now, will live.

AS for the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind, this principal is shown to us in Genesis, where God took 7 'days' for the creation. We are told that a day to God in heaven, is equal to a thousand years of earth time.
 
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