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Dannager

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Prov 14:12

12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but in the end it leads to death .
NIV
Prov 3:5-8

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.

7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.
Excellent advice! I'm glad we have you on our side. :thumbsup:
 
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Praise God for both of your testimonies! What a beautiful example of the sanctification process that is inherent to all true believers in our Lord Jesus Christ. Sadly, Satan can and does use even some of God's own precious children to try and derail us from glorifying God. It is so terribly sad how often those who claim to support "tolerance" work so hard to try and cause their obedient brothers and sisters to stumble, defending and even encouraging sin. I pray you both keep on glorifying Christ in your lives, and hold strong to the truth of our Lord amidst all persecution.

In the case of a homosexual struggle, I can imagine that you must be attacked from all sides constantly. From those who cannot forgive a past that God has already forgiven you for, and from those who refuse to accept or encourage your obedience to our Master. Stay strong, brother!
Praise God. :clap:

Thank you sister! Your words are a great encouragement to me. May God continue to bless you and use you to spur others on and encourage them, just as God's Word instructs us to.

And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Hebrews 10:24

Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. 1 Thessalonians 5:11
 
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If you want to read something even more "pathetic", take a look at the "Congregation" Section.

Out of 20 groups, only three are either "Fundamentalist", "Baptist", or "Reformed".

Tomorrow morning, people will be transubstantiating, consubstantiating, baptizing babies, listening to female pastors and priests, perhaps not even studying the Scriptures literally, and maybe even welcoming the riff-raff and the hoi polloi such as gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists and perhaps even the French* into their congregations!

One would think people would know by now that the churches are supposed to be the Exclusive Country Club of the Sanctified Elect — and in particular, only conservative, fundamentalist heterosexuals (no one else need apply).

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*It's bad enough that gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists somehow manage to sneak into the churches and spoil things for the rest of the "normal" people — but the French! Why, they wouldn't even support the President when he decided to invade Iraq!

Ain't fittin'. It just ain't fittin'.


Do you have documentation for these facts, because I need to let my pastor know we have people in our church that aren't suppose to be there.

It is a very small church with maybe 100-150 people every Sunday, but I know we have at least 1, hmmmm come to thing of it it may 2 woman who had an abortion. There are several Democrats, and I will have to wait to next Sunday to count how many single woman with children are there so I will get back with you on that one.

Boy, will my pastor and church leaders be so shocked when they find out so many people that are coming to our church aren't suppose to be there.

Thanks so much for letting me know so I can get this info to my church leaders, and as soon as you can get me that documentation so I can show them, well that will be really great.

:sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
 
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I can understand your frustration, but you need to realize that this isn't a respect issue. We see the world in two entirely different ways.
Perhaps. But where they contradict each other, they both can't be right.
 
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Tomorrow morning, people will be transubstantiating, consubstantiating, baptizing babies, listening to female pastors and priests, perhaps not even studying the Scriptures literally, and maybe even welcoming the riff-raff and the hoi polloi such as gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists and perhaps even the French* into their congregations!

One would think people would know by now that the churches are supposed to be the Exclusive Country Club of the Sanctified Elect — and in particular, only conservative, fundamentalist heterosexuals (no one else need apply).

----------==========**********O**********==========----------

*It's bad enough that gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists somehow manage to sneak into the churches and spoil things for the rest of the "normal" people — but the French! Why, they wouldn't even support the President when he decided to invade Iraq!

Ain't fittin'. It just ain't fittin'.

Do you have documentation for these facts, because I need to let my pastor know we have people in our church that aren't suppose to be there.

It is a very small church with maybe 100-150 people every Sunday, but I know we have at least 1, hmmmm come to thing of it it may 2 woman who had an abortion. There are several Democrats, and I will have to wait to next Sunday to count how many single woman with children are there so I will get back with you on that one.

Boy, will my pastor and church leaders be so shocked when they find out so many people that are coming to our church aren't suppose to be there.

Thanks so much for letting me know so I can get this info to my church leaders, and as soon as you can get me that documentation so I can show them, well that will be really great.

:sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:

I KNOW! We have the same situation in the church I go to as well. We have unwed mothers, men that are addicted to porn, people addicted to drugs, and there was a man that came the other day with alcohol on his breath and passed out before the service was over.

I just didnt know the rules! Surely there is documentation of the rules somewhere, I'm sure that poster wouldnt just be passing on stereotypes without any real knowledge of the truth would he?

Nooooooo.... he's a "liberal Christian" and I've always heard they are the "Judge Not" crowd. Surely he wouldnt be judging our churches based on stereotypes and rumors would he savedandhappy1?
 
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[/color][/b]Then I'd say you might want to speak to your pastor about this. After all, conservatives and fundamentalists DO say that George Bush is our "Christian" President and it is our Christian duty to support him.

I believe the scriptures tell us we are to pray for our leaders, and I don't think it say anything about only praying for them as long as we agree completely with them. There goes that wide brush again.




 
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I got so many kind reps from this thread so I decided to pop my head back in for a minute. Just wanted to comment on a couple of posts.

Praise God for both of your testimonies! What a beautiful example of the sanctification process that is inherent to all true believers in our Lord Jesus Christ. Sadly, Satan can and does use even some of God's own precious children to try and derail us from glorifying God. It is so terribly sad how often those who claim to support "tolerance" work so hard to try and cause their obedient brothers and sisters to stumble, defending and even encouraging sin. I pray you both keep on glorifying Christ in your lives, and hold strong to the truth of our Lord amidst all persecution.

In the case of a homosexual struggle, I can imagine that you must be attacked from all sides constantly. From those who cannot forgive a past that God has already forgiven you for, and from those who refuse to accept or encourage your obedience to our Master. Stay strong, brother!

Most of this thread (and most of the threads in this forum really) cause atheists and agnostics to smirk and giggle, and I'm sure Satan is thrilled. But such rays of light as these two testimonies stand high above the muck and mire. Praise God. :clap:

:amen: and yes PRAISE THE LORD!:clap:
 
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Yup. Fortunately, reality dictates that the position with the evidence is probably the right one.
Could it be that the passage in Proverbs that talks about a way seeming right to man, but in the end it leads to death, is speaking to exactly this? What makes a way seem right to man? Logic? Evidence? While the scriptures tell us to covet wisdom, they do not tell us to to base our wisdom on the"evidence" that the sinful world gives us. Rather, we are to have faith in the one who is bigger than the evidence.
Heb 11:1-3
11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV


That being said, let's look at the evidence.

God says to have sex only in marriage. What is marriage? He shows us in Genesis when He gave Eve to Adam.

what is the evidence that this way is wise?
Let's look at std's, and single parents. Hm. I think I will look at this and say that the evidence points to "free love"
Where is the logic in this? This is just one example of God's Word proving to be wise. Need I go on ?
 
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Yup. Fortunately, reality dictates that the position with the evidence is probably the right one.
Ah, but God dictates what the real truth is, regardless of what "evidence" anyone attempts to promote. My philosophies and your philosophies are meaningless if they are not in line with God's unchanging, perfect truth. That is ultimately reality.
 
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One group believes that the righteous path entails seeking tranquility and by loving other people; the other believes that adhering to an absolute will is paramount, ignoring all circumstances and changes in the world.

I could have been referring to the liberal and conservative views expressed in this thread, but I was not. I was speaking of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers who the Apostle Paul preached to in Acts 17.

Both philosophies resulted in pride, arrogance, and self-sufficiency, as indicated by their initial response to Paul (What does this babbler want to say?).

Could it be that our hearts are so hardened by our worldviews that we're too jaded to listen for God’s loving voice?

Just asking.
 
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Society and the fact that we now understand that people do have differing sexual orientations.. Cultural norms, and (cultural) expectations and purposes for marriage have pretty much overridden marrying who one really wants for the vast majority of people for the vast majority of history.

Didn't have the word, but you can't tell me homosexuals were any different then then now, and they haven't proven differing sexual orientations yet. They do have alot of theroies, tho.

Cultures change but we are told God/Christ doesn't, I will go with that.

Excepting possibly in theology God doesn't inspire people to write outside of what they could understand, and their audience to get to grips with. God didn't inspire Paul to condemn slavery. God didn't inspire the writers of the Torah with a recipe for soap that would have made all that washing so much more effecive. God doesn't stomp on our humanity in that way.

Boy I would love to study the scriptures on the above statements, thanks.

They wrote (occasionally) about same-sex sex. They couldn't write about homosexuality because they had no knowledge of sexuality.

Love to see the proof on this also, thanks.

Oh yes they wrote about same-sex sex that is correct, and everytime they did they said it was a sin.


The problem isn't with their writing - it's with your dodgy translation that reads back a 20th century concept into a 1st century text.

So when the Jews translated it as it was passed down they didn't understand the languages they grew up with so they misinterpretated it? :doh: It doesn't have anything to do with the 20th century trying to understand the 1 st. century, because it was translated the same from then to now, by people that grew up in all those centuries and understood the culture, concept, and language. Why to people think that the Bible wasn't translated until the 20th century? Studies show how Jewish scholars have pain stakenly copied and translated the scriptures pretty much from the 1st century to now. There is no sudden misunderstanding or misinterpretation, because it has been ..................nevermind stated above already.


See above. My problem is not with the text but with your reading of it, whereby you assume that Paul's greek translates directly into modern social-science technical words.
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Know I know that the Bible was translated and handed down from century to century, and by people that knew alot more about the culture, language, etc. then those who are trying to change it now.

I will have to go and find the papers I have seen that tell about how many copies of these writings have been found so far, that were written and copied again and again so as the pages got worn they could be replaced with new ones.

All this homosexual wasn't even a word until the 19th century, and the other statements you have made are all part of, nevermind.

There are many books out there about the scriptures and how they were past down from generation to generation. I think I will go with the Jewish scholars who have been given the jobs over the years to keep these writings alive and true, thanks.
 
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Ah, but God dictates what the real truth is, regardless of what "evidence" anyone attempts to promote. My philosophies and your philosophies are meaningless if they are not in line with God's unchanging, perfect truth. That is ultimately reality.
The world around us is God's truth.
 
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One group believes that the righteous path entails seeking tranquility and by loving other people; the other believes that adhering to an absolute will is paramount, ignoring all circumstances and changes in the world.

I could have been referring to the liberal and conservative views expressed in this thread, but I was not. I was speaking of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers who the Apostle Paul preached to in Acts 17.

Both philosophies resulted in pride, arrogance, and self-sufficiency, as indicated by their initial response to Paul (What does this babbler want to say?).

Could it be that our hearts are so hardened by our worldviews that we're too jaded to listen for God’s loving voice?

Just asking.
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Id rep you but Im out of reps
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One group believes that the righteous path entails seeking tranquility and by loving other people; the other believes that adhering to an absolute will is paramount, ignoring all circumstances and changes in the world.

I could have been referring to the liberal and conservative views expressed in this thread, but I was not. I was speaking of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers who the Apostle Paul preached to in Acts 17.

Both philosophies resulted in pride, arrogance, and self-sufficiency, as indicated by their initial response to Paul (What does this babbler want to say?).

Could it be that our hearts are so hardened by our worldviews that we're too jaded to listen for God’s loving voice?

Just asking.
We would all do well to take these words to heart.
 
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The world around us is God's truth.
True! His word tells us that we are without excuse because of the evidence of His creation.This is the world around us. The views that people in the world have, are not evidence. Again, I ask you, what about the real evidence that is in your face everyday? The evidence of such things as sexual orientation, are not evidence at all, but merely theories based on human wisdom, and no evidence at all.
 
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True! His word tells us that we are without excuse because of the evidence of His creation.This is the world around us. The views that people in the world have, are not evidence. Again, I ask you, what about the real evidence that is in your face everyday? The evidence of such things as sexual orientation, are not evidence at all, but merely theories based on human wisdom, and no evidence at all.
Theories are always based on evidence. Always. You just don't like this one.
 
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