This is Pathetic

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, ALL SIN is birthed in the mind first, and then it enters the heart. So, yes one has oriented themselves FIRST before engaging.


Yes, the PC adaptation is a recent term, but the perversion and deviation is no new thing.

However much you might think otherwise, homosexuality refers to a person's orientation, not their actions. One can be homosexual but engage (only) in sex with members of the opposite sex. One can be hetrosexual but engage in acts of sex with members of the same sex.


SOme societies have seen widespread occurence of same-sex sex, but the concept of sexual orientation is a modern one.

Sexual Perversion and Deviation of God's ordained plan for ALL of mankind.

So, your attempt at deception is Null/Void

 

[IamRedeemed]

God will receive us as we are, but loves us too much to leave us in our sinful condition. Jesus is the one who washes away our sins, but we are the ones who invite Him to. No one can keep anyone else out of Heaven, but WE can keep OURSELVES OUT by trying to rewrite the Word of God, to suit us and our sinful desires.

It is not a matter of whether or not God is on "our" side, but whether or not at the end of the day we are on "HIS".

If our God conforms to us, and our thinking, then that is not the God of the Bible. That is a different God, one we have chosen to create, rather than He who has created us.

Shall the pottery tell the potter, "you made me wrong!" ?

No, as potter's clay in the potter's hands, we conform to the image that the Potter wants, and that is the image of Christ, His Son, whom He sent to pay the price of sin to all of those in the world, who will forsake their sin, and choose Him.

There is only ONE WAY that leads to LIFE, and it is NARROW. We can't get in with all of our junk!

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt. 7:13-14

Nonetheless, his point is true. The anti-gay religious right are trying to keep everyone out of christianity and heaven who don't share the same beliefs as them.

 

[PinkTulip]

Oh, dear. You work in the arts. WhatEVER do you do when you encounter one of those AWFUL homosexuals?

By the way, PinkTulip: I live in Texas. I know all about "backwards Southern". When they move to Canada or Europe, they're still "backwards Southern". I know: it seems I can't help but to run into them in Canada or Europe...

Uber, I work with a lesbian. I love her dearly. Most of our conversations revolve around clothes, organic food and why we hate Alberta so much. Just because I believe that God's word is inerrant, unchanging and truth does not make me a bigot, homophobic freak.

 

[savedandhappy1]

That's not what she said. She said (quite correctly) that the concept of homosexuality did not exist. No-one would understand the idea of sexual-orientation until hundreds of years later. Paul can talk about same-sex sexual acts because those were going on at the time. He can't talk about sexual-orientation (of which homosexuality is one type) because neither he nor his audience would have the faintest clue what he was talking about.

I guess I will always find it amazing that people back in Bible days couldn't have a loving, monogamous relationship if they were both males or both females. I wonder what changed? I wonder what we have today that they didn't have back then so that they would know this?

We should be so proud that we have figured it out now. If only Paul would have known that people could do that, just think what he would have written. Just think what would have been the God inspired writings if only God would have known, so He could have inspired Paul to write it.

We read the documents for 30 A.D., which I posted on some thread, how the early churches preached that homosexuality was and is a sin. The churches were started by the disciples, and were going by the writings of them. Yet, they misunderstood what was meant? If only the scholars of today could have been back there to correct them, and show them how they didn't understand their own language. To show them that when Paul said those things and/or wrote those things to them in their own laguage that he really didn't mean it the way they were understanding it.

It would be so much easier today if we hadn't followed the doctrines of the people God choose to set up His churches, His teachings. Thankgoodness we have all these people today, who can get us going with a doctrine that the first followers of Christ couldn't and didn't get right even tho they were there at the time.

2 John 1:4-11
4I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[IamRedeemed]

No, no one has ever made any such claim of default, but it really doesn't matter as the end result is the same, because at the end of the day the Lord counts those that oppose Him and take a stand for the ways of the world as His enemies.

If that is okay with you, then.........

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." James 4:4

Perhaps, but this is not to say that anyone who disagrees with others about whether or not something is a sin must, by default, want to indulge in that sin. Defending an action does not necessitate the defender enjoy that action personally.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Talk about doctrines from the world and from the underworld!

If you want to go to hell, be sure to listen and heed the advice of such like these that will preach to your itching ears.

This is EXACTLY what the Lord warned us about in His Word through Paul in 2 Timothy 4:2-4

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

Romans 1:22-32

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

ADLIB: I realize now that this was sarcastic on the part of the poster, I was responding to, but it was hard to tell, as this is the kind of stuff that is being preached sincerely to itching ears everyday, and it wasn't followed with the truth, so it took me a minute to realize the nature of the post.

I guess I will always find it amazing that people back in Bible days couldn't have a loving, monogamous relationship if they were both males or both females. I wonder what changed? I wonder what we have today that they didn't have back then so that they would know this?

We should be so proud that we have figured it out now. If only Paul would have known that people could do that, just think what he would have written. Just think what would have been the God inspired writings if only God would have known, so He could have inspired Paul to write it.

We read the documents for 30 A.D., which I posted on some thread, how the early churches preached that homosexuality was and is a sin. The churches were started by the disciples, and were going by the writings of them. Yet, they misunderstood what was meant? If only the scholars of today could have been back there to correct them, and show them how they didn't understand their own language. To show them that when Paul said those things and/or wrote those things to them in their own laguage that he really didn't mean it the way they were understanding it.

It would be so much easier today if we hadn't followed the doctrines of the people God choose to set up His churches, His teachings. Thankgoodness we have all these people today, who can get us going with a doctrine that the first followers of Christ couldn't and didn't get right even tho they were there at the time.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Nonetheless, his point is true. The anti-gay religious right are trying to keep everyone out of christianity and heaven who don't share the same beliefs as them.

That's a hilarious statement!

No one is kept out of Heaven by anyone but themselves! Christianity is not some club! We aren't some anti-gay religious right, either. We are children of the Most High God. Get a clue.

If you do not accept Christ as Saviour and live your life as a follower of Christ, undergoing a transformation from sin's degradation to righteousness, then you do not share the same beliefs as other believers, obviously. Your eternal destination is an obverse one.

Only you can keep yourself from Heaven's door. Christians are eager to bring you in! That is our mission in life!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Unless you are a certain person then you cannot possibly know that persons mind and motives in full. You can merely think they do. I myself would never assume whats in someone elses mind regardless of what they do in their life, hetrosexual/homosexual or otherwise.

Oh and I am a homosexual who has the love of Jesus, and an amazing and wonderful thing it is. He even chose to bless me with a relationship with a wonderful woman and we both serve him. And no, my relationship is not motivated by lust, but love, the same kind youd find in any loving hetrosexual realtionship actually.

Delusional. You claim to have a relationship with God, yet God abhors what you are doing. You conveniently ignore what God says...that is not a consecrated life.

Yes, Jesus loves you, but He hates your lifestyle. Give Him your life and watch Him transform you.

Have you accepted Christ as Saviour for all your sins? Don't hang on to this one--if you want God's favour and blessing and His purposes fulfilled in you.

 

[Dannager]

Delusional. You claim to have a relationship with God, yet God abhors what you are doing.

Says you and your fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Says you and your fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible.

My interpretation is as it should be. When God calls something an abomination...it is an abomination.

Either you believe God our you disbelieve God, it's simple. God is sovereign, or He isn't---you choose, and see how it goes for ya.

The OP is correct: It is pathetic that people pick and choose from God's Word as if it is some kind of smorgasbord! You reap what you sow. Either you repent from your sin, according to what God calls sin, or you quite literally shake your fist in His face and say,"NO! I'll do it my way. The gospel according to me is much nicer!" It doesn't work like that. It's either God's way or the highway to Hell.

 

[Dannager]

My interpretation is as it should be.

Again, says you. Unfortunately, reality disagrees with you. But that's alright, it probably doesn't matter all that much to you anyway.

When God calls something an abomination...it is an abomination.

Well, first, the Bible called it an abomination. Second, it's not an abomination when such petty laws are reversed by Christ's coming later.

Either you believe God our you disbelieve God, it's simple. God is sovereign, or He isn't---you choose, and see how it goes for ya.

No, those are the only choices you want to exist, because it makes things rather easy for you. The problem, of course, is that a third answer exists: I don't believe in the same God that you do.

The OP is correct: It is pathetic that people pick and choose from God's Word as if it is some kind of smorgasbord! You reap what you sow. Either you repent from your sin, according to what God calls sin, or you quite literally shake your fist in His face and say,"NO! I'll do it my way. The gospel according to me is much nicer!" It doesn't work like that. It's either God's way or the highway to Hell.

While I agree with your last statement here, I'm pretty sure you are incorrect as far as what "God's way" actually is.

 

[Tkjjc89]

Would it surprise you to know that I use to be a practicing homosexual, that I am not a homophobe heterosexual that doesnt understand or has never walked in their shoes?

Sounds like you know what the word repent is.

Luke 13:5 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."

Luke 15:7"I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 15:10 "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

You know, I have never been homosexual, but I have gotten high quite a few times. The same standard would apply here. I would argue with pastors and preachers how Jesus said" it isn't what goes into a man's body that defiles him, but what comes out". This was my shield. But in the end, it was wrong. How did I know this? By the sinful feeling that I felt, and continued to feel. So I repented of this, and have taken THIS 1 out of my life completely. Yes there is more to work on, but take the steps first that need to be taken. Pick up the cross and follow me, was no easy task. It is hard, and we will be hated for His name's sake. But stand firm, for the hosts of heaven bear witness, and Jesus is there helping a sinner repent. Easy,, no. Mandatory,,YES! If you want that gift of eternity, you must.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Again, says you. Unfortunately, reality disagrees with you. But that's alright, it probably doesn't matter all that much to you anyway.

Reality! Bible misinterpretation is rampant. Now I can see how people just don't know Truth anymore, with all the fudging of lines, by the god of this world, Satan. It's not rocket science! The Holy Spirit illuminates the Truth from the Word of God. You need Him.

Well, first, the Bible called it an abomination. Second, it's not an abomination when such petty laws are reversed by Christ's coming later.

The Bible is the library of books written by God through Holy spirit-inspired men---it is "God's Word". God states flatly that homosexuality is an abomination to Him and that it is unnatural.

Petty laws reversed? LOL Jesus never changed what sin is!

No, those are the only choices you want to exist, because it makes things rather easy for you. The problem, of course, is that a third answer exists: I don't believe in the same God that you do.

As long as you make it multiple choice--yes, sure. Your god is a man-made construct. He cannot save you. Either God, Jehovah is as He says He is or He isn't. You cannot designate His characteristics!

While I agree with your last statement here, I'm pretty sure you are incorrect as far as what "God's way" actually is.

Born again Christians are more that "pretty sure" about the two choices God has given us. If you care to read His Word, you will discover the Truth for yourself...it is as I have stated.
It's the narrow way, God's way, or the broad road--to destruction. Choose.

 

[desmalia]

I got so many kind reps from this thread so I decided to pop my head back in for a minute. Just wanted to comment on a couple of posts.

Would it surprise you to know that I use to be a practicing homosexual, that I am not a homophobe heterosexual that doesnt understand or has never walked in their shoes?

Sounds like you know what the word repent is.
Luke 13:5 "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish."

Luke 15:7"I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Luke 15:10 "In the same way, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents."

You know, I have never been homosexual, but I have gotten high quite a few times. The same standard would apply here. I would argue with pastors and preachers how Jesus said" it isn't what goes into a man's body that defiles him, but what comes out". This was my shield. But in the end, it was wrong. How did I know this? By the sinful feeling that I felt, and continued to feel. So I repented of this, and have taken THIS 1 out of my life completely. Yes there is more to work on, but take the steps first that need to be taken. Pick up the cross and follow me, was no easy task. It is hard, and we will be hated for His name's sake. But stand firm, for the hosts of heaven bear witness, and Jesus is there helping a sinner repent. Easy,, no. Mandatory,,YES! If you want that gift of eternity, you must.

Praise God for both of your testimonies! What a beautiful example of the sanctification process that is inherent to all true believers in our Lord Jesus Christ. Sadly, Satan can and does use even some of God's own precious children to try and derail us from glorifying God. It is so terribly sad how often those who claim to support "tolerance" work so hard to try and cause their obedient brothers and sisters to stumble, defending and even encouraging sin. I pray you both keep on glorifying Christ in your lives, and hold strong to the truth of our Lord amidst all persecution.

In the case of a homosexual struggle, I can imagine that you must be attacked from all sides constantly. From those who cannot forgive a past that God has already forgiven you for, and from those who refuse to accept or encourage your obedience to our Master. Stay strong, brother!

Most of this thread (and most of the threads in this forum really) cause atheists and agnostics to smirk and giggle, and I'm sure Satan is thrilled. But such rays of light as these two testimonies stand high above the muck and mire. Praise God.

 

[Dannager]

Reality! Bible misinterpretation is rampant.

No kidding.

Now I can see how people just don't know Truth anymore, with all the fudging of lines, by the god of this world, Satan.

Ah, yes. When people think your interpretation of scripture is flawed, clearly Satan is to blame!

It's not rocket science!

No, it's theology. Which, by the way, has an entire field of study devoted to it, just like rocket science does.

The Holy Spirit illuminates the Truth from the Word of God. You need Him.

How interesting. Both of us are convinced that the Holy Spirit illuminates scripture for them, but clearly only one of us is correct. I'm not willing to be condescending enough to imply that my opponent lacks divine inspiration, though.

The Bible is the library of books written by God through Holy spirit-inspired men---it is "God's Word".

Oh dear. First, the Bible is a collection of works written by men with the inspiration of God. It isn't full of God's words. It's full of the words of a bunch of men who were inspired by God. Second, the title "God's Word" is reserved for Christ. Nowhere is scripture referred to as "God's Word". If you see "Word" capitalized, it means Christ.

God states flatly that homosexuality is an abomination to Him and that it is unnatural.

The Bible states that. You just make the baseless assumption that because the Bible says it God must have said it, too.

Petty laws reversed? LOL Jesus never changed what sin is!

Christ certainly changed the way in which humanity would be held accountable.

As long as you make it multiple choice--yes, sure.

No one is "making" anything. What, are you going to tell me that those possibilities can't exist?

Your god is a man-made construct. He cannot save you.

I could say the same thing about your god, but I don't think that would get us anywhere. You can't persuade someone with that sort of line of thinking. I'm content to leave it at following different gods, since that's clearly the case.

Either God, Jehovah is as He says He is or He isn't. You cannot designate His characteristics!

I don't designate God's characteristics any more than you do. Both of us chose, out of the plethora of possible deities humanity has conceived of, a particular god to worship. You follow the god you follow because you like the characteristics of the religion, whether you're willing to admit to that or not.

Born again Christians are more that "pretty sure" about the two choices God has given us.

Haha, I would have said "absolutely positive" but it would have made me sound a tad more pompous and arrogant than I wanted to come off as. By the way, I despise the modern concept of a "born-again" Christian.

If you care to read His Word, you will discover the Truth for yourself...it is as I have stated.

What, so now I haven't read scripture? You're really going to have to work on your arguments.

It's the narrow way, God's way, or the broad road--to destruction. Choose.

Again, you've missed the point. We both agree that there is a "God's way". I just don't think you picked the right one.

 

[Dannager]

Most of this thread (and most of the threads in this forum really) cause atheists and agnostics to smirk and giggle, and I'm sure Satan is thrilled. But such rays of light as these two testimonies stand high above the muck and mire. Praise God.

What, you don't think the non-Christians are smirking and giggling at those posts too?

 

[ebia]

I guess I will always find it amazing that people back in Bible days couldn't have a loving, monogamous relationship if they were both males or both females. I wonder what changed

Society and the fact that we now understand that people do have differing sexual orientations.. Cultural norms, and (cultural) expectations and purposes for marriage have pretty much overridden marrying who one really wants for the vast majority of people for the vast majority of history.

We should be so proud that we have figured it out now. If only Paul would have known that people could do that, just think what he would have written. Just think what would have been the God inspired writings if only God would have known, so He could have inspired Paul to write it.

Excepting possibly in theology God doesn't inspire people to write outside of what they could understand, and their audience to get to grips with. God didn't inspire Paul to condemn slavery. God didn't inspire the writers of the Torah with a recipe for soap that would have made all that washing so much more effecive. God doesn't stomp on our humanity in that way.

We read the documents for 30 A.D., which I posted on some thread, how the early churches preached that homosexuality was and is a sin.

They wrote (occasionally) about same-sex sex. They couldn't write about homosexuality because they had no knowledge of sexuality.

The churches were started by the disciples, and were going by the writings of them. Yet, they misunderstood what was meant? If only the scholars of today could have been back there to correct them, and show them how they didn't understand their own language. To show them that when Paul said those things and/or wrote those things to them in their own laguage that he really didn't mean it the way they were understanding it.

The problem isn't with their writing - it's with your dodgy translation that reads back a 20th century concept into a 1st century text.

It would be so much easier today if we hadn't followed the doctrines of the people God choose to set up His churches, His teachings. Thankgoodness we have all these people today, who can get us going with a doctrine that the first followers of Christ couldn't and didn't get right even tho they were there at the time.

See above. My problem is not with the text but with your reading of it, whereby you assume that Paul's greek translates directly into modern social-science technical words.

 

[desmalia]

What, you don't think the non-Christians are smirking and giggling at those posts too?

They are certainly far more likely to respond to a powerful testimony than they are to bickering, name calling and labeling, and basically anything else we do that attempts to pull us away from serving Christ.

As for me, I too am guilty of posting some emotion-based responses as of late, out of sheer frustration towards the lack of respect for God's commands that I see in this community. But it is not my place to act in anger. That is God's alone. I have taken stock of my behavior lately and realize my comments have not been as humble as they should be. So now I hope to continue to stand for Christ and His word, and to support my brothers and sisters in doing the same, but nothing more. And the moment I begin to fail at that I will remove myself from this thread and the forum.

 

[Dannager]

As for me, I too am guilty of posting some emotion-based responses as of late, out of sheer frustration towards the lack of respect for God's commands that I see in this community.

I can understand your frustration, but you need to realize that this isn't a respect issue. We see the world in two entirely different ways.

 

[AngelusSax]

Well, there's where you messed up. It's not about what you think, it's about what God said in His Word.

Then God made a mistake in giving us minds to think with.