This is Pathetic

[Romanseight2005]

One group believes that the righteous path entails seeking tranquility and by loving other people; the other believes that adhering to an absolute will is paramount, ignoring all circumstances and changes in the world.

Changes in the world, or changes in the philosophies and theories held by the world?

Could it be that our hearts are so hardened by our worldviews that we're too jaded to listen for God’s loving voice?

I will certainly pray about this.

Nonetheless, we need to be ready in season and out of season, and we are to speak the truth in boldness.If love was not in my heart as I spoke those words, then I will repent. However, I do believe that speaking the truth in love with boldness, often causes people to view it as unloving, because it doesn't line up with the fuzzy wuzzy, It's all good, attitude that the world has. For speaking the Word with boldness, I will not apologize.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I KNOW! We have the same situation in the church I go to as well. We have unwed mothers, men that are addicted to porn, people addicted to drugs, and there was a man that came the other day with alcohol on his breath and passed out before the service was over.

I just didnt know the rules! Surely there is documentation of the rules somewhere, I'm sure that poster wouldnt just be passing on stereotypes without any real knowledge of the truth would he?

Nooooooo.... he's a "liberal Christian" and I've always heard they are the "Judge Not" crowd. Surely he wouldnt be judging our churches based on stereotypes and rumors would he savedandhappy1?

It's that broad brush that keeps being used to paint with. There are some people that seem to want to believe that all conservative/fundamentalist are all these bad hateful people. You know if we really all did the things that we are accused of I can understand there actions, but since there are many here who are proof of these misconceptions well...................

It does maybe make them feel that this makes them right if we are the things we are accused of. Maybe they say to themselves that they have to be right because they would never want to be like what they say we are. I don't know.

It is ashame that some of the very things they accuse us of doing they seem to be doing, and they can't even see it.

I ask you to join with me that we will not be afraid to tell each other if we start becoming what we are judged to already be?

My promise of daily prayer has not been broken, and it still continues toward you. Please also join with me in prayer for all eyes to be open to the truth of God.

Before someone says it, please don't post the usual, oh yes we know you are praying we will be like you and believe like you. The prayer is what it says it is, that all eyes will be opened to the truth of God.

God Bless You My Brother in Christ!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Oh dear. First, the Bible is a collection of works written by men with the inspiration of God. It isn't full of God's words. It's full of the words of a bunch of men who were inspired by God. Second, the title "God's Word" is reserved for Christ. Nowhere is scripture referred to as "God's Word". If you see "Word" capitalized, it means Christ.

Jesus is all through the Old Testament. It's all about Him. God's Word is the entire Bible.

 

[Dannager]

Jesus is all through the Old Testament. It's all about Him. God's Word is the entire Bible.

No, it isn't.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You follow the god you follow because you like the characteristics of the religion, whether you're willing to admit to that or not.

I follow after my Creator...Jehovah God Himself, the One true God. Religion isn't a part of that, because it is a relationship I have with the only living God, through His Son, Jesus Christ.

 

[Dannager]

I follow after my Creator...Jehovah God Himself, the One true God. Religion isn't a part of that, because it is a relationship I have with the only living God, through His Son, Jesus Christ.

Okay, let's leave the dogma outside. First, you're going to have to admit that religion is a part of it for this conversation to continue. You could very easily have been born elsewhere and raised Buddhist, and that relationship would not exist. It is directly connected to religion. Are you capable of acknowledging that?

 

[Floatingaxe]

No, it isn't.

Oh yes it certainly is! God's entire message to the world is contained in those 66 books of the Bible. You need to stop and take stock in what lies you are choosing to believe.

You are deceived and are deceiving others by stating the contrary.

 

[savedandhappy1]

One group believes that the righteous path entails seeking tranquility and by loving other people; the other believes that adhering to an absolute will is paramount, ignoring all circumstances and changes in the world.

Changes in the world, or changes in the philosophies and theories held by the world?






I will certainly pray about this.

Nonetheless, we need to be ready in season and out of season, and we are to speak the truth in boldness.If love was not in my heart as I spoke those words, then I will repent. However, I do believe that speaking the truth in love with boldness, often causes people to view it as unloving, because it doesn't line up with the fuzzy wuzzy, It's all good, attitude that the world has. For speaking the Word with boldness, I will not apologize.

Doing as the scriptures tell us to do is not always fuzzy wuzzy, that is for sure.

God Bless!!

 

[Dannager]

Oh yes it certainly is! God's entire message to the world is contained in those 66 books of the Bible. You need to stop and take stock in what lies you are choosing to believe.

You are deceived and are deceiving others by stating the contrary.

Oh, I don't doubt that Christianity's guiding principles are contained in the Bible. It's just not called "God's Word" by anyone but confused fundamentalist Christians.

 

[Floatingaxe]

They couldn't write about homosexuality because they had no knowledge of sexuality.

Another hilarious statement. Do you think they were stupid dolts back then?

They knew about sexuality. They also knew right from wrong. That is the point.

 

[Romanseight2005]

No, it isn't.

John 5:37-39

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me .
KJV

The scriptures referred to in this passage, is the Old Testament.

 

[Dannager]

The scriptures referred to in this passage, is the Old Testament.

And again, is there a translation you can find that capitalizes the "word" in "God's word" anywhere but in reference to Christ?

 

[Romanseight2005]

My promise of daily prayer has not been broken, and it still continues toward you. Please also join with me in prayer for all eyes to be open to the truth of God.

Amen! I can not promise to pray everyday, but I do promise to pray, because this is not a war of flesh and blood!

 

[Romanseight2005]

And again, is there a translation you can find that capitalizes the "word" in "God's word" anywhere but in reference to Christ?

You just proved my point!

 

[Jedi]

Oh, I don't doubt that Christianity's guiding principles are contained in the Bible. It's just not called "God's Word" by anyone but confused fundamentalist Christians.

Just out of curiosity, what do you view the Bible as? Apparently not "God's word" (at least in the sense that "fundamentalists" use it). In all my studies, both personal and academic concerning scripture, whenever I've used the phrase "God's word," I've meant it only to refer to the divine message communicated through human penmanship in canonized scripture. Is this not what scripture is?

 

[savedandhappy1]

No, it isn't.

The voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert a highway for our God (Isa. 40:3).

In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him’” (Mt. 3:1-3).


Here are some of the prophecies about Jesus from the OT.

Isaiah 53 (The Suffering Servant)
Main article: Isaiah 53
Isaiah 53 is probably the most famous example of a messianic prophecy claimed by Christians. It speaks of a sinless man known as the "suffering servant" who will "atone" for his people's sins. By his voluntary suffering, he will save sinners from their "iniquities." Jesus is said to fulfill this prophecy,[1] although Jewish scholars argue that the suffering servant is actually Israel.[2] The following verse from Isaiah 53:5 is understood by Christians to speak of Jesus:
5But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
[edit] Isaiah 9 (In Galilee The Light Has Shined)

In the Book of John the Pharisees ask the Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.
Isaiah 9:2 By the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.

[edit] Zechariah 12:10

Zechariah 12:10 is another verse commonly cited by Christian authors as a messianic prophecy as interpreted by the Gospel writers. [3]
“And they shall look upon him whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for an only son; and they shall grieve over him, as the manner is to grieve for the death of the firstborn.” The Gospel writers make reference to this prophecy when referring to the crucifixion of Jesus, as can be seen in the following account from the book of John:
“So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with Jesus; but when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water… For these things took place that the scripture might be fulfilled, ‘Not a bone of him shall be broken.’ And again another scripture says, ‘They shall look on him whom they have pierced’” (John 19: 32-37).

[edit] Zechariah 13:6 (Wounds In His Hands)

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in your hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

[edit] Daniel 9:24-27

“Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a Most Holy. 25. Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an Anointed, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26. And after the sixty-two weeks, an Anointed shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war; desolations are decreed. 27. And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator” (Daniel 9: 24-27). According to Christians, the references to “most holy”, "anointed" and "prince" speak of Jesus, while the phrase “anointed shall be cut off” points to his crucifixion, and the “people of the prince who is to come” are the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70. [4]
Verse 27. “And he shall make a strong covenant with many” – i.e., “…this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” (Matthew 26: 28). The messiah will “cause sacrifice and offering to cease;” – i.e., by his sacrifice upon the cross, Jesus abolished all the sacrifices of the Torah.
Finally, verse 27 mentions the “horrible abomination” or “abomination of desolation,” to which Jesus refers at Matthew 24: 15. “So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel…” This abomination was the Roman army, which surrounded and destroyed Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_prophecy_in_Christianity

Micah 5:2 Bethlehem, out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

How many scriptures would you like to see?

 

[Dannager]

You just proved my point!

If that was your point I'm not sure why we're arguing.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Amen! I can not promise to pray everyday, but I do promise to pray, because this is not a war of flesh and blood!

Where two or three are gaithered together in His name it will be done!!!!

God Bless!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

The world around us is God's truth.

That's funny, too, because God says that the god of this world is Satan!

Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.

Titus 2:12
And we are instructed to turn from godless living and sinful pleasures. We should live in this evil world with wisdom, righteousness, and devotion to God,

James 1:8
Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.

James 4:8
Come close to God, and God will come close to you. Wash your hands, you sinners; purify your hearts, for your loyalty is divided between God and the world.

James 4:4
You adulterers! Don’t you realize that friendship with the world makes you an enemy of God? I say it again: If you want to be a friend of the world, you make yourself an enemy of God.

1 John 4:4
But you belong to God, my dear children. You have already won a victory over those people, because the Spirit who lives in you is greater than the spirit who lives in the world.

 

[Dannager]

Just out of curiosity, what do you view the Bible as? Apparently not "God's word" (at least in the sense that "fundamentalists" use it). In all my studies, both personal and academic concerning scripture, whenever I've used the phrase "God's word," I've meant it only to refer to the divine message communicated through human penmanship in canonized scripture. Is this not what scripture is?

The difference is simply the capitalization issue. On its face it's minor, yes, and certainly semantic, but its significance lies in the importance fundamentalists afford it. To answer your question, I view the Bible as an extremely useful moral and spiritual guidebook. Just as one might use a map or guidebook to explore a section of wilderness, I use the Bible to explore life. That doesn't mean that it's a perfect guidebook or that it can do things it wasn't intended to do (just like a map isn't intended to help with calculus).