This is Pathetic

[ParsonJefferson]

I think you can. They are not hard to figure out. They have the same wants and needs as anyone: love, unconditional, and nurturing. Something is lacking there deep inside them. Only the love of Jesus christ can fill it.

If you would think about your statement for a second---the same people who approve of homosexuality say they are no different than anyone else, yet you suggest that their inner motives and minds are impenetrable?

No, I'm saying that neither you nor I are in a position to actually know what "their" inner motives and minds are.

To make a blanket statement and say that homosexuals aren't capable of "agape love"... Well, I'm not sure I am able to make that assertion.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No, I'm saying that neither you nor I are in a position to actually know what "their" inner motives and minds are.

To make a blanket statement and say that homosexuals aren't capable of "agape love"... Well, I'm not sure I am able to make that assertion.

It matters not what motives exist. We already know that their minds are clouded by the enemy! Sin is sin, and these people need Jesus' compassion, forgiveness and deliverance. Clarity of mind is a result.

Edited to add:
I never made any such blanket statement that these people aren't capable of agape love. I said in essence that it was the appropriate level of relationship between people of the same sex.

 

[ContentInHim]

There were people who were doing exactly what he was describing. Those people were temple prostitutes. Just because he doesn't mention them in the letter doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anyway, I hope in the future when a non-believer who is on the fence about becoming a christian yet happens to be gay isn't pushed away by the beliefs of some of the people here.

edit: alright, peace out ContentInHim

If God wants them to be a believer, then my opinion won't stop them. If they become born-again, they too will forsake their sins, just as we did.

 

[ContentInHim]

That's not what she said. She said (quite correctly) that the concept of homosexuality did not exist. No-one would understand the idea of sexual-orientation until hundreds of years later. Paul can talk about same-sex sexual acts because those were going on at the time. He can't talk about sexual-orientation (of which homosexuality is one type) because neither he nor his audience would have the faintest clue what he was talking about.

Well the Greeks certainly understood homosexuality and preferred it as a more pure love. And this was well before Jesus!

 

[Floatingaxe]

That's not what she said. She said (quite correctly) that the concept of homosexuality did not exist. No-one would understand the idea of sexual-orientation until hundreds of years later. Paul can talk about same-sex sexual acts because those were going on at the time. He can't talk about sexual-orientation (of which homosexuality is one type) because neither he nor his audience would have the faintest clue what he was talking about.

That is wrong. Where's the proof of such a wild claim? There has been a concept of homosexuality since before Abraham! (Since the beginning of mankind, actually.)

 

[invisible trousers]

edit: nevermind

 

[DMagoh]

I disagree with you opinion... I believe that sin is something opposite to love, so love can't be sinful, in the same was as light can't be black

It's not the "love" that's sinful. I love plenty of other men. It's when you start playing with each other's genitals that it becomes sinful. That's whether you are talking about two homosexuals or two unmarried heterosexuals.

 

[IamRedeemed]

And again I am questioning the source of information, as God destroyed SODOM and Gomorrah way back in Genesis. Paul wasn't born until thousands of years later.

All of the other PC terms you are using are just variations of the same thing. Sexual Perversion and Deviation of God's ordained plan for ALL of mankind.

So, your attempt at deception is Null/Void

That's not what she said. She said (quite correctly) that the concept of homosexuality did not exist. No-one would understand the idea of sexual-orientation until hundreds of years later. Paul can talk about same-sex sexual acts because those were going on at the time. He can't talk about sexual-orientation (of which homosexuality is one type) because neither he nor his audience would have the faintest clue what he was talking about.

 

[UberLutheran]

I'm sorry, I just cant believe some of the members of this "christian" forum. Not only are there numerous threads debating how great God thinks homosexual sex is, there are also threads debating whether sex before marriage is even a sin.

Jesus said to deny yourself and take up your cross...not if it feels good, do it!

The rich man turned around and walked off because he wanted eternal life, but he wasnt willing to follow Jesus. Some on this forum want it both ways. I can accept His gift of eternal life, and still not follow Him.

It's a sad day when a "christian" forum has debates about homosexuality and premarital sex.

If you want to read something even more "pathetic", take a look at the "Congregation" Section.

Out of 20 groups, only three are either "Fundamentalist", "Baptist", or "Reformed".

Tomorrow morning, people will be transubstantiating, consubstantiating, baptizing babies, listening to female pastors and priests, perhaps not even studying the Scriptures literally, and maybe even welcoming the riff-raff and the hoi polloi such as gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists and perhaps even the French* into their congregations!

One would think people would know by now that the churches are supposed to be the Exclusive Country Club of the Sanctified Elect — and in particular, only conservative, fundamentalist heterosexuals (no one else need apply).

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*It's bad enough that gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists somehow manage to sneak into the churches and spoil things for the rest of the "normal" people — but the French! Why, they wouldn't even support the President when he decided to invade Iraq!

Ain't fittin'. It just ain't fittin'.

 

[DMagoh]

If you want to read something even more "pathetic", take a look at the "Congregation" Section.

Out of 20 groups, only three are either "Fundamentalist", "Baptist", or "Reformed".

Tomorrow morning, people will be transubstantiating, consubstantiating, baptizing babies, listening to female pastors and priests, perhaps not even studying the Scriptures literally, and maybe even welcoming the riff-raff and the hoi polloi such as gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists and perhaps even the French* into their congregations!

One would think people would know by now that the churches are supposed to be the Exclusive Country Club of the Sanctified Elect — and in particular, only conservative, fundamentalist heterosexuals (no one else need apply).

----------==========**********O**********==========----------

*It's bad enough that gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists somehow manage to sneak into the churches and spoil things for the rest of the "normal" people — but the French! Why, they wouldn't even support the President when he decided to invade Iraq!

Ain't fittin'. It just ain't fittin'.

Feel better now?

If you want to rant and rave and make attempts at comedy, start your own thread, dont hijack this one.

Typical liberal, you think that just because someone says that homosexual behavior is sin that we dont welcome homosexuals at our church. We call sin what it is, sin...but we welcome everyone. However, they will hear the Truth preached from the pulpit, not some watered down "if it feels good do it" gospel.

 

[ebia]

And again I am questioning the source of information, as God destroyed SODOM and Gomorrah way back in Genesis.

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

All of the other PC terms you are using are just variations of the same thing.

However much you might think otherwise, homosexuality refers to a person's orientation, not their actions. One can be homosexual but engage (only) in sex with members of the opposite sex. One can be hetrosexual but engage in acts of sex with members of the same sex.

Well the Greeks certainly understood homosexuality and preferred it as a more pure love.

SOme societies have seen widespread occurence of same-sex sex, but the concept of sexual orientation is a modern one.

Sexual Perversion and Deviation of God's ordained plan for ALL of mankind.

So, your attempt at deception is Null/Void
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[invisible trousers]

If you want to rant and rave and make attempts at comedy, start your own thread, dont hijack this one.

Typical liberal, you think that just because someone says that homosexual behavior is sin that we dont welcome homosexuals at our church. We call sin what it is, sin...but we welcome everyone. However, they will hear the Truth preached from the pulpit, not some watered down "if it feels good do it" gospel.

Nonetheless, his point is true. The anti-gay religious right are trying to keep everyone out of christianity and heaven who don't share the same beliefs as them.

 

[DMagoh]

...Democrats, liberals and socialists and perhaps even the French* into their congregations!

One would think people would know by now that the churches are supposed to be the Exclusive Country Club of the Sanctified Elect — and in particular, only conservative, fundamentalist heterosexuals (no one else need apply).

----------==========**********O**********==========----------

*It's bad enough that gays and lesbians, single women with children, women who have had abortions, Democrats, liberals and socialists somehow manage to sneak into the churches and spoil things for the rest of the "normal" people — but the French! Why, they wouldn't even support the President when he decided to invade Iraq!

Ain't fittin'. It just ain't fittin'.

You know what's funny? I thought liberal Christians weren't supposed to believe stereotypes and make assumptions about someone's heart?

Would it surprise you to know that I totally disagree with the war in Iraq, and have from the beginning? Would it surprise you to know that I voted for John Kerry, and NOT "W", because of his incompetence in leading us into a war on false pretenses and at the same time killing many innocent people, and at the same time escalating our national debt?

Would it surprise you to know that I use to be a practicing homosexual, that I am not a homophobe heterosexual that doesnt understand or has never walked in their shoes?

Would it surprise you to know that I have volunteered at food kitchens, taught underprivileged children, gone on mission trips, and donate over 10% of my income to charity?

 

[Jedi]

Actually, I don't think it is the parts of the Bible that are "unclear" that present a problem for most people who want to remain in their sin.

Perhaps, but this is not to say that anyone who disagrees with others about whether or not something is a sin must, by default, want to indulge in that sin. Defending an action does not necessitate the defender enjoy that action personally.

 

[HaloHope]

I think you can. They are not hard to figure out. They have the same wants and needs as anyone: love, unconditional, and nurturing. Something is lacking there deep inside them. Only the love of Jesus christ can fill it.

If you would think about your statement for a second---the same people who approve of homosexuality say they are no different than anyone else, yet you suggest that their inner motives and minds are impenetrable?

Unless you are a certain person then you cannot possibly know that persons mind and motives in full. You can merely think they do. I myself would never assume whats in someone elses mind regardless of what they do in their life, hetrosexual/homosexual or otherwise.

Oh and I am a homosexual who has the love of Jesus, and an amazing and wonderful thing it is. He even chose to bless me with a relationship with a wonderful woman and we both serve him. And no, my relationship is not motivated by lust, but love, the same kind youd find in any loving hetrosexual realtionship actually.

 

[RMDY]

I have to agree with the OP. Sadly, this forum on CF seems devoted to "how far can I go into sin before it's sin?" and there are all too many carnal Christians who say it's not important anymore.

 

[PinkTulip]

You know what's funny? I thought liberal Christians weren't supposed to believe stereotypes and make assumptions about someone's heart?

Would it surprise you to know that I totally disagree with the war in Iraq, and have from the beginning? Would it surprise you to know that I voted for John Kerry, and NOT "W", because of his incompetence in leading us into a war on false pretenses and at the same time killing many innocent people, and at the same time escalating our national debt?

Would it surprise you to know that I use to be a practicing homosexual, that I am not a homophobe heterosexual that doesnt understand or has never walked in their shoes?

Would it surprise you to know that I have volunteered at food kitchens, taught underprivileged children, gone on mission trips, and donate over 10% of my income to charity?

Uber seems to think that anyone who believes in the inerrancy of the Bible must be some backwards Southern.

FYI I have voted Democrat in every American election (Pink is an American citizen). She can't stand Bush 1 or 2. And oh my, she works in the arts
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[UberLutheran]

You know what's funny? I thought liberal Christians weren't supposed to believe stereotypes and make assumptions about someone's heart?

Would it surprise you to know that I totally disagree with the war in Iraq, and have from the beginning? Would it surprise you to know that I voted for John Kerry, and NOT "W", because of his incompetence in leading us into a war on false pretenses and at the same time killing many innocent people, and at the same time escalating our national debt?

Then I'd say you might want to speak to your pastor about this. After all, conservatives and fundamentalists DO say that George Bush is our "Christian" President and it is our Christian duty to support him.

Of course, being a Lutheran means that I'm not a True Christian, which I guess explains why my church (and several others in the area) worked together to bring food to Cindy Sheehan when she was camped outside Bush's ranch last summer.

Would it surprise you to know that I use to be a practicing homosexual, that I am not a homophobe heterosexual that doesnt understand or has never walked in their shoes?[/quote]

Well, now it all makes sense. There are few people more fervent about their beliefs than a alcoholic who no longer drinks, a smoker who no longer smokes, or a homosexual who has "changed" -- and all of them believe that since they stopped their behavior, everyone should -- including the person who has no problems with alcohol, or the person who smokes an occasional cigar on the birth of a friend's child, or the person who completely comfortable with his sexual orientation.

Thank you: it all makes sense, now.

Would it surprise you to know that I have volunteered at food kitchens, taught underprivileged children, gone on mission trips, and donate over 10% of my income to charity?[/quote]

I donate 20 percent, and we fed Cindy Sheehan and her group AND opened our homes to her (and her group) when they were in Austin.

 

[UberLutheran]

Uber seems to think that anyone who believes in the inerrancy of the Bible must be some backwards Southern.

FYI I have voted Democrat in every American election (Pink is an American citizen). She can't stand Bush 1 or 2. And oh my, she works in the arts
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Oh, dear. You work in the arts. WhatEVER do you do when you encounter one of those AWFUL homosexuals?

By the way, PinkTulip: I live in Texas. I know all about "backwards Southern". When they move to Canada or Europe, they're still "backwards Southern". I know: it seems I can't help but to run into them in Canada or Europe...

 

[IamRedeemed]

Amen! All toes that are sticking out will be stepped on at one point or another when the Truth of God's Word is delivered with Boldness in the care of the souls God has entrusted to the obedient Preacher.

Love without truth isn't love at all. It is deception.

Feel better now?

If you want to rant and rave and make attempts at comedy, start your own thread, dont hijack this one.

Typical liberal, you think that just because someone says that homosexual behavior is sin that we dont welcome homosexuals at our church. We call sin what it is, sin...but we welcome everyone. However, they will hear the Truth preached from the pulpit, not some watered down "if it feels good do it" gospel.