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Luther, honestly, are you saying that it's impossible for miraculous things to happen?
It would be one thing if you were venting about a real cinema abortion like "Phantom Menace" but another altogether about this. Yeah the movie has some nonsense in it, but just to advise you....if you're calling this movies perspective heresy then you do realize that you're also pointing the finger at some Christians here who believe similar things.
Luther - heresy is a strong word and the one you chose to describe the movie. That, in this case, is what I responded to.
I'm not at all disagreeing that they did a poor job of making it crystal clear their church is not advocating a prosperity gospel. I am saying that calling the movie heresy, and bolding stating that the intended message of the movie is "commit your life to God and you'll get everything you ever wanted" is heading into hyperbole.
From everything I've read about Sherwood they do not teach prosperity gospel. They indicated they tried to put things in the movie to make that clear. That is wasn't clear enough does not change their intent. That they didn't do a great job of it does not make them heretics.
God can and has done much more for some of his people - when it fits His intentions. (Or should we just throw all the plays and movies about Joseph out because, taken in isolation, it sure seems to be prosperity gospel). It is just as wrong to deny that God can, and has, done miraculous things in the lives of some of his followers as it is to say that He will always do so if you are faithful enough. Both of those try to limit God.
Wow. Well you won't burn my copy, and I like the movie, and I don't care what someone else says. And, really, burning movies? Shall we burn books that we don't like next? And then, perhaps, people?
No I'm saying that God promises things, but earthly happiness is not among them. Concentrate on the things God does promise you, and not on the things he doesn't. Teach about God's real promises, not some fake promises for itching ears.
Miracles do happen, and yes all of that is certainly possible. But when we make movies or books or anything about the faith we have to stick with the miracles that God does in fact promise to us. Christian movies and books are also teachers of the faith, and when the faith is mis-taught, its heresy. Heresy is the most destructive force the church has ever faced or will ever face.
So? Heresy is heresy. I'm not going to miff my words about the prosperity heresy to avoid offending people. That is what it is. You can't simpily stop preaching the truth just because it offends some people.
It is the proper word.
If that isn't the message then what is?? Is the message praise God even when you arn't getting things your way? If thats the message the movie is hypocritical and could have been better written by a 5 year old. Because you don't send that message by making everything go the main character's way. Thats not real man, its not real life. I became a beliver, no one gave me a truck, and I didn't within a few months just get everything I wanted out of life. But the thing was. . . I didn't expect that, because in the bible, God never promises anything like that. Thats fantasy Christian land that isn't real, its all a farce, its made up. It feels good but its not real because its not biblical. Its not anything God promises at all, not even close. Nor is it anything that you can relate to the values. Christian values can improve one's life with work, you can see that in fireproof, which is why I have no problems with the teachings of that film. But its real life, its real things that Christian values can change and make better with work. Not because its magical or some miracle. But because it works.
I didn't say they where heretics but their movie teaches heresy. There is a difference. If one intentionally teaches heresy then they are heretics. But if one unintentially teaches heresy, or intentionally taught heresy but has repented and recanted, then they have taught heresy, but are not necessarily heretics. So I recognize that may not have been their intention, but that was the result none the less.
The problem is that these movies are ment to send a message, not to portray biblical events. People understand that you are portraying biblical events. In the Passion of the Christ, no one is going to read that as "I can be crucified and ressurected too!" because its understood you are portraying a biblical event.
But in facing the giants its not a biblical event, and a lot of believers and non-believers will read it as "Godliness gets you stuff." or at the very least "Godliness fixes your life."
Not people of course that is murder. And I was not suggesting that I was going to go destroy the movie or had any intention too. My suggestion was that the faith would be better off if this movie did not exist and was never seen again. It is heretical and unhealthy to the faith and to the church.
We have to be willing to call a spade a spade if we are going to protect the church from the heresies and people which seek to destroy it. But now we are living in a time which Christians do not understand the destructiveness of false doctrines. So they will sadly often embrase anything or anyone that claims to embrace God.
I can tell you also for certain that it was the work of several heretics, false prophets, and wolves in sheeps clothing that kept me away from the church when I was younger.
Thats why I'm not afraid to anathmatize heretics and heresies and just be willing to call things for what they are. If for nothing else to present an absolutly crystal clear picture of what teachings we as Christians do and do not accept.
The message of Christianity is actually that we are saved from our sins by Christ. Furthermore we are urged to pray, and pray for actual things. You will find many prayers in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and most of them are for things to happen. Your will be done is also found. It's great that you are inspired by the story of that family and their tragic horror that happened and them praising God as a result. But you sound like someone who would say that the story of the martyrdom of Stephen is more relevant than the story of Daniel because Daniel lived. Or that the story of Joseph is just prosperity gospel nonsense...I mean what's with those dreams of grandeur anyway?
It may not seem like getting a truck is a good message...but he didn't pray for a truck. He renewed his faith and something miraculous happened...but in reality in the movie a person gave him that truck out of gratitude because of something good he did for his son. So tell me exactly how that moment is heresy.
Did you actually use 'heresy' in casual conversation? That's fun.
Facing the Giants was not so bad if you..,wait did you pay to see it? I saw it on YouTube. No wonder you're bitter.
I like the scene in Fireproof where the Rebels defend agains the Death Star attack on Yavin.
Wait. Wrong movie. Guess I just didn't like it.
LOL McScribe..you're awesome!!
The bolded actually made me lol..I think it was the: "That's fun."
-Niff
Whats the next great Christian movie that we all have to go see and heap praise on?
Did anyone see the most recent one? Whats it called? About dads....I cant remember, was it an amazingly challenging poignant movie calling all dads to step up and Re (times a thousand) commit?
Courageous wasn't as bad in that respect as I was afraid it was going to be. There was no horribly mutually dysfunctional marriage that was saved only through the guy finally "getting it". By itself, I've got no problems with it. The fact that there's nothing similarly targeted towards women however is a huge problem. Although to be fair, there is a book on the movie's website targeted towards women that might maybe possibly(tiny chance) actually speak to them in a constructive way. More likely though it's a how to manual on how to get one's husband to "step up".
Fireproof is a nice enough drama with a good message. The production was not that great. The movie did well in mingling humor and serious scenes. Good for everyone, married or not. Involved in a relationship or not. This makes you think of who and what you are and how much better you can be if you have the Lord on your side. I would recommend this movie for everyone.