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Featured "THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 29, 2018.

  1. Just the Jews of the 1st Century

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  2. Both Jews and Gentiles of 1st century

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  3. Just the Gentiles in 1st century

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  4. The whole world

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  1. Erik Nelson

    Erik Nelson Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The tribulation of those days, was the terrible 3 and a half years. of the beginning of the Jewish Roman war. From 66 to 70ad

    this is very clear from the Angels explanation to Daniel in the rest of the chapter:

    Daniel 7:23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it... [= Pagan Roman Empire]


    Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. [ = Caesar Augustus Tiberias Caligula Claudius Nero Galba Otho Vitellius Vespasian, who defeated Galba Otho Vitellius ]


    Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.[ = 3 and a half year siege and conquest of Jerusalem, 66 to 70AD]

    This is further proved by the allusion to Isaiah 13:10, a judgement against Babylon, interpreted spiritually as first century apostate Jerusalem. Per revelation 11:8. And Revelation 18.

    Luke writing to Gentiles ignorant of the Old Testament spells, it out. When Jerusalem is surrounded by Roman armies. Its Desolation is near. That's alluding to Daniel 9:26. Which is also about the same 3 and a half year period? The same half of a 7. As referenced in Daniel 7. It all connects and points to the destruction of the physical temple in 70.
     
  2. Ronald

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    As for Matthew 24:34, 35;
    In this passage, "This generation" can possibly mean this Christian generation which includes all generations from then until the end times fullness of the Gentiles comes since some of the events in 70 AD are included. In Matthew 1, it opens up with "the generation of Jesus Christ" beginning with Abraham through David's line and ending with Jesus which includes 42 generations. However, the disciples Jesus was speaking to passed away and since the context of these verses pertains to His second coming, He must have been referring to a future generation.
    Many believe that we are the generation this scripture is talking about. Since 1948, one generation (according to Psalm 90:10) is 70-80 years. I expected something to happen by 2018 and much has. the stage is being set. On the books and ordered by the UN, Israel became a nation in 1948 BUT Arab nations continued to war against Israel through the next year until all ratifications were finalized on July 20, 1949. But again, one generation can be 80 years if you are strong. So we wait a little while longer. I need a new body soon!
     
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    32“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away

    Jesus state when you see all these things. Didn't happen in 70 AD

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The "sign of the son of man in heaven" and Jesus coming to gather his elect didn't happen in 70 AD
     
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    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Great post and I agree.

    Could the 42 months represent the "times of the gentiles" shown in Revelation 11:2 and Luke 21:24?

    Luke and Revelation go together like white on rice...............

    Revelation 11:
    1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar and those worshiping in it
    2 and the Court/fold<833>, without of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Nations/Gentiles

    and the holy City they shall be treading<3961> forty two months.

    Luke 21:
    20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
    24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
    And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]

    Luke 19:43
    That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee, and Thy Enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege work<5482> to Thee and shall be encompassing<4033> Thee, and pressing Thee every which place.
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    This site has the most extensive studies on Josephus and the 70 ad destruction of Jerusalem I have even seen.

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/timeline_military/
    “..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history.”

    TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A
    MILITARY POINT OF VIEW
    WITH ILLUSTRATIONS

    The Wars of the Jews by Flavius Josephus
    Government | Factions | Geography | Military | Theology


    MARCH, A.D. 66 – JERUSALEM
    The Final Days of the Jewish Commonwealth ; Halley’s Comet Closest Approach; Anarchy Erupts; More Christians Flee

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance.......

    The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins...........

    For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat, pining with hunger, on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus, which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should parish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death.

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  5. Erik Nelson

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    I would agree although perhaps "times of the Gentiles fulfilled" Would run all the way from 70ad until modern times, the 20th century? Jerusalem was occupied by Gentiles all that while.
     
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    Matthew 24:29+ =
    Isaiah 13:10 =
    judgement versus Babylon =
    revelation 18 =
    Jerusalem = revelation 11:8 = 70ad
     
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    If Isaiah 13 and Revelation 18 is Jerusalem 70 AD then it should never be inhabited again that’s clear from both passages. Revelation 11 seems to me to be two men. They prophesy 1260 days and then lie dead for 3.5 days before they're resurrection. Matthew 24:29 to 31 is a gathering that everyone sees.

    Please note the “time stamps” of Isaiah 13:6 and 22

    22Hyenasf will cry in its towers,
    and jackals in the pleasant palaces;
    its time is close at hand
    and its days will not be prolonged.



    6Wail, for the day of the LORD is near;
    as destruction from the Almightyc it will come!
     
  8. Erik Nelson

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    Jerusalem did lay desolate for decades, per Josephus.

    time, times, and half a time = 3.5 years = 1260 days

    = Daniel 7, Daniel 9, Daniel 12, Revelation 11, etc.

    all the same event
     
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    episodes 44-48 so far
     
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  10. parousia70

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    And the sky could possibly be yellow and the sun could possibly be blue...

    The math doesn't lie.
    A single generation in the passage above is approx 41 years.

    I don't find circular reasoning very compelling. I'm surprised anyone does.

    Your argument boils down to:
    "It couldn't have happened back then because I don't think it happened back then"

    ALL Christians since the 2nd century believed THEY were the terminal generation Jesus spoke of.

    Every last one of them.
    And you know what they ALL had in common?
    100% failure rate

    How could they ALL have been so wrong but you are convinced we today are right?

    Psalm 90:10 does not discuss a generation, rather it discusses the average lifespan of a single human.

    You provided a much more detailed scripture in Matthew above showing one generation is 41 years... which harmonizes with other scriptures that actually mention a generation, unlike Pslam 90:10 which does not.
    Scriptures such as:
    Psalm 95:10
    Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:

    and
    Numbers 32:13
    And the Lord'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the Lord, was consumed.

    You have invented for yourself this erroneous definition of a scriptural generation to suit your view.

    I would suggest altering your view to fit the scriptural definition of a generation, instead of altering the scriptural definition to fit your view.
     
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  11. Erik Nelson

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    Matthew 24:33 = 1 Peter 4:7, James 5:8

    at the door. Resembles sin crouching at the door of Cain in Genesis 4. Another allusion?

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    1 Peter 4:17. It's of the beginning of the date of the judgment.

    2 Peter 3 speaks of the very end.

    Maybe EVERYTHING from the tribulations of. The Jewish Roman war. In 70. All the way through the Millennium to final judgment afterwards. Is all biblically considered? The period of judgment? Which I think Jesus said he came to bring about? Perhaps it's all been just one long rolling judgment from the defeat of Babylon to the defeat of the beast to the defeat of gog and Magog.
     
  12. Ronald

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    I've been down this Preterist road with you before. You should just save you're words, make it simple and state that you're an Amillenialist or think all or most of Revelation happened in 70 AD. No need argue details, just state your main view.
     
  13. Ronald

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    Well as Psalm 90:10 claims, one lifetime/generation is 70-80 years (80 if you are strong. And what is the average now? 78? Lets move the goal post at least a few more years aye mate?
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    Great post Eric!
    Luke shows it was the Kingdom of God nigh at the doors at the destruction of the Temple in 70ad.

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

    Matthew 24
    1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
    3 Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be? and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4931-5055> of the Age?

    33 Thus also ye whenever ye may being seeing all these,
    be knowing! that nigh it is being upon doors.

    Mark 13
    And He going forth out of the Temple,
    4 Tell us! when these shall be? and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully consummated<4931>.

    29 thus also ye, whenever ye may be seeing these becoming,
    be knowing! that nigh, it is being upon doors.

    Luke 21
    and of some saying concerning the Temple,.....
    7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher! when then shall these be being?
    And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming?

    31 Thus also ye, whenever ye may be seeing these becoming,
    ye are knowing that nigh is being the Kingdom of the God;
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    And this to the corrupt murderous Judean Rulers [which was fulfilled in the destruction of their Temple in 70ad]

    Mat 21
    31 “Which of the two did the will of his father?” They said to Him, “The first.”
    Jesus said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you.
    43 Therefore I am saying to ye, that the Kingdom of the God shall be being taken-away from Ye and shall be being given to a Nation doing the Fruits of it.

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    Isn't Luke also considered the author of Acts and companion of Paul?

    Luke 1:3
    it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus,

    Acts 1
    1 In the first account I composed, O Theophilus, concerning all the things that Jesus began both to do and to teach, 2 until the day He was taken up, having given orders by the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering with many proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking the things concerning the kingdom of God.

    Col 4:14 Luke the beloved physician and Demas greet you.
    2Ti 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful to me for ministry.
    Phm 1:24 as do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, Luke, my fellow laborers.
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    A fairly extensive study on the KoG for those interested:


    Kindgdom Bible Studies Kingdom of God Part 1
    *snip*
    THE RULE OF GOD
     
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    I believe Catholics are Amill, as I am also [from being partial preterist]..........
     
  16. Ronald

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    Through the years, you and I have agreed on many things ... I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic - which is OK. It just seems going back and forth endlessly knowing either side will not budge is a waste of time. I suppose some change their minds.

    My question is, if Preterists are correct, seeing the world in this generation becoming more corrupt, what hope is there for a better world if Jesus does not return soon? What, I suppose Chrisitianty will somehow prevail over all regions and eventually Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Atheists will convert to Christianity and the world will be at peace??? I can't see it lasting another thiry years. Islam will have conquered Europe just by having 4x more children than any other culture. Then you have the other problem of the richest nation, the U.S., financially collapsing due to massive debt ... then the world follows or actually more nations go first, like Venezuela. It seems hopeless without God's intervention SOON.
     
  17. parousia70

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    Psalm 90:10 says NOTHING about how long a generation is.
    You have added that to the text.

    When you need to add to the text to make your view work, I would suggest its not the text that needs adjusting...
     
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    We are!

    This is the defeatism that runs rampant throughout futurist theology.... Thank God the founders of this country did not share your pessimism!

    I don't have much patience for cowardice and chickenlittle-ism. God's people are strong and courageous, not defeated pessimists. I don't know how people make it through each day based on the defeated attitude and outlook they inherit from false endtimes views, but maybe there is still hope--so listen up.

    (1) The endtimes "apostasy" was a unique, first-century attempt by satan to abort the Church and one true faith during its infancy. The following passages were concerning a first-century event (see: Acts 20:29-30; 2 Tim 1:15; 4:10-11,16-17; 1 Jn 2:18-19/4:1-3; 2 Jn 1:7; 1 Peter 4:12-13, 5:8-9; Hebrews 6:6-11/10:38-39; 3 Jn 1:9-10; Rev 13:12; Jude 1:1-25). The apostles and Christ won that battle, and Christianity has since spread worldwide and cannot be stopped.

    (2) Jesus Christ is the God of this world (Eph 1:20-22) and the Prince of the earth's kings (Rev 1:5). All spirits and powers have been made subject to His authority (1 Pet 3:22). All authority on earth belongs to King Jesus (Matt 28:18).

    (3) Christians are the citizens of his ever growing, ever dominating Kingdom, and they form the largest religious nation worldwide.

    (4) Very few people knew God and the covenant prior to AD 30-70. Since AD 70, Christianity has spread universally and cannot be stopped.

    (5) The relative weakness of Christanity in Amreica in the past 50 years is the direct result of endtimes hysterias that cause evangelical Christians to abdicate their duties to America and neglect their children's futures. Evangelicals certain of a 1981 rapture (or 1988, or Y2K, or 2012, or "won't last another 30 years" etc..) simply gave up on America. Boy were they foolish. One of them, J.Vernon McGee, used to say: "you don't polish brass on a sinking ship." This was his excuse for abandoning America and our children's future. To that preacher, the present life was useless and he expected the rapture to come before he died. He was deadly wrong, and you and I are still here picking up the pieces after his neglect and his generation's neglect.

    (6) It took a generation of Christian neglect towards our country to get us into this jam, and it will only take *ONE* generation of obedience to God to re-establish godly rule. But, this requires our participation, and evangelicals have got to stop falling for the endtimes myth over and over, and start believing the bible.

    Futurism is an eschatology of defeatism concerning the role of the Church and its citizens in our communities and nations today.

    Preterism is an eschatology of victory concerning the role of the Church and its citizens in our communities and nations today.

    The constant fearful statements and dispair that futurists express about the world and their daily lives shows us that their doctrine that fuels such a "defeat mentality" is not based on FAITH, HOPE, and LOVE. Compare Joshua to the other spies who were afraid and gave a bad report about the land. That story is like preterists and futurists today. Futurists are the spies who always fearfully say "there are giants in the land!" Preterists are the JOSHUAS who say "THE LAND IS OURS! LET'S TAKE IT. God has given the land to US!"
     
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    So it's victorious for Christianity when the country has plunged into immorality that is on the rise?
    The sixties brought the drug revolution, hippy generation, free love; the seventies brought legalized abortion (60 million to date) that has blossomed to selling baby parts, partial birth abortions and now infanticide after birth. VICTORY???
    This country was founded a Christian nation and now has been infiltrated with false religions, hedonism, humanism, etc. The universities have turned from Chrisitan Ivy League schools in the early 19th century to liberal anti-god institutions teaching the TOE and spreading socialist. Anti -American ideas. VICTORY???
    Marriage was from the beginning of time between a man and a woman and now Gay Marriage is legal. VICTORY?
    The liberals war against the words: "In God We Trust" and seek to remove any Biblical scriptures, the Ten Commandments or Nativity scenes from all government buildings. OBAMA gets up there and claims this is not a Chrisitian nation, to appease Muslims and allows a terrorist funding organization like CAIR to set up camp in the US. And now we have Ms. OMAR, a MUSLIM in Congress who is anti-Semitic and anti-American taking her oath with her hand on the Quran. VICTORY?
    Look at what is on TV now compared to 50 years ago, most everything is filthy, R-rated. VICTORY?
    FINALLY, Jesus second coming is suppose to defeat evil, remove sin from the planet, lock Satan and his demons up in the Abyss - THAT DID NOT HAPPEN! Satan is still causing havoc, tempting, seeking to destroy God's people. Sure, he can't touch us, but he sure is behind the evil in the world. Jesus will bring peace and that is the point - we have never seen world peace because we aren't able to defeat sin and remove it from the world.
    VICTORY?? Can you actually read through Revelation chapters 6-22 and say these things happened already and claim they meant something symbolically different than there literal meaning?
    I'm looking for a more complete victory that will wipe out out sin, cast Satan, his demons, death and Hades into the Lake of Fire and be destroyed forever. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A NEW IMMORTAL BODY, ETERNAL PEACE, A NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH _ THAT'S VICTORY.
     
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