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What vision are you referring to ?Not when Daniel was given his vision, Jesus hadn't come and been cut off.
Jesus finished the transgression - made an end of sin - made atonement for iniquity - and brought in an everlasting righteousness on the Cross (although some deny it). His arrival at just the right time (anointed in 26/27 AD) and fulfillment of prophecy gave authenticity to His status as Messiah (the seal of vision and seal of authenticity of prophets). Daniel 9 is a Messianic prophecy of hope and anticipation. It's fulfilled in Christ Jesus (70th week was 26/27 AD - 34 AD.....the Cross in the middle, 30 AD).
What vision are you referring to ?
Daniel did not have a vision in Daniel 9.
Daniel had three visions. One in Daniel 7. And another in Daniel 8. And another in Daniel 10-11. Gabriel was in the one in Daniel 8.
nolidad, why do have to throw in comments like that? I was addressing you. And you are making out that because I am disagreeing with you, it is the same as disagreeing with God.
Daniel 9:20-23
While I was speaking, praying, confessing my sin and that of my people Israel, and presenting my petition before the LORD my God concerning His holy mountain— while I was still praying, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and spoke with me, saying: “O Daniel, I have come now to give you insight and understanding. At the beginning of your petitions, an answer went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly precious. So consider the message and understand the vision:
Yes, the vision which Gabriel had appeared to him earlier in Daniel 8.Daniel 9:20-23
While I was speaking, praying, confessing my sin and that of my people Israel, and presenting my petition before the LORD my God concerning His holy mountain— while I was still praying, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. He instructed me and spoke with me, saying: “O Daniel, I have come now to give you insight and understanding. At the beginning of your petitions, an answer went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are highly precious. So consider the message and understand the vision:
That isn't referring to Jesus sinning. It's referring to what Jesus said here (the transgressions reaching full measure and thus demanding judgment):what one transgression did Jesus finish? If He is sinless, He didn't start it!
The vision of the transgression of desolation is time of the end. Gabriel did not say the same for the parts of the ram, he goat, four break up kingdoms.Because the Bible is gods INspired Word, He had it written in language and following the rules of Grammar He caused to happen so we can understand His Word! YOu say Antiochus who fits everything of the little horn in Daniel did not commit teh transgression of desolation when the text as written says he did!
I think your high school English teacher would be writing you a detention hall slip right about now....That is why I speak this way!
I already explained to you multiple times that Antiochus is not time of the end.before I answer any more of you rposts- you must show from scripture and the grammar of SCripture why the little horn of Danile 8 is not Antiochus, though the text says he arises from the four notable ones but is as you allege and hypothesize, the antichrist or beast o (or whatever title you wish) of the last days who arises after ten horns!
That's not my "rreckoining".Well as you keep telling me that Jesus fulfilled Daniel 9:24- you are saying that visions and prophecies were sealed or locked by the time Jesus ascended (after He died in 27 AD by you rreckoining).
So are we rto assume that the visions and prophecies of Paul, Jude and John are somehow less?
well it is prophecy, not prophet. (the auto feature of forum probably changed what you typed. It happens to me every so often)"To seal vision and prophet" is to authenticate what's written (like a king's seal of authenticity). Jesus authenticated even what was written after His ascension (even though there are those that deny His fulfillment of Scripture).
Yes, the vision which Gabriel had appeared to him earlier in Daniel 8.
Which Daniels last words in Daniel 8 were -
27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
So Gabriel was sent to help Daniel understand the vision he had in Daniel 8 regarding the transgression of desolation by the little horn person in the time of the end.
So Gabriel lays out the 70 shmitahs, until that transgression by the little horn in the time of the end will take place (during the 70th shmitah) in Daniel 9:24-27.
The transgression of desolation is time of the end. The little horn person is the prince who shall come, who will ultimately commit that transgression of desolation after the becomes the Antichrist, the King of Israel/Messiah coming in his own name.
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mkgal1, I think you are under the impression what Gabriel said in Daniel 9:24-27 is itself a vision. It is not a vision, no more than if I were to read the verses to you - it would not be a vision you were having.
Gabriel is saying to Daniel what is going to take place and when. But Daniel himself was not having a vision by hearing it.
I'm thinking there's a difference between Gabriel "coming to me in swift flight" (as Daniel 9:21 says) and you, Douggg, showing up at my front door while I'm praying.mkgal1, I think you are under the impression what Gabriel said in Daniel 9:24-27 is itself a vision. It is not a vision, no more than if I were to read the verses to you - it would not be a vision you were having.
Gabriel is saying to Daniel what is going to take place and when. But Daniel himself was not having a vision by hearing it.
Sure, but that was not the issue.I'm thinking there's a difference between Gabriel "coming to me in swift flight" (and Daniel 9:21 says) and you, Douggg showing up at my front door while I'm praying.
boondoggle.There's not a scholar on the planet, past or present, who believes that Gabriel was referring to anything other than what he was about to reveal in Daniel 9:24-27.
Not Daniel 8.
You're sailing solo again.
From where?Gabriel "coming to me in swift flight", I think is another was of saying Gabriel suddenly appeared.
boondoggle.
Maybe you should invite some of your favorites to this forum so they can read some of my posts and take part in the discussions.
Can you not just stick to the topic at hand?
That's fine. There is also the nature of persistent and perseverance regarding prayer, as not all answers come right away.From where?
Most scholars (and myself) agree with this:
Being caused to fly swiftly - God hears with delight such earnest, humble, urgent prayers; and sends the speediest answer. Gabriel himself was ordered on this occasion to make more than usual speed. ~ Adam Clarke
I agree. And then Gabriel gave Daniel insight and understanding of the 70 weeks (490 years) decreed for Daniel's people (the ancient Israelites) and Daniel's Holy City (Jerusalem).
Not all.....messengers of God....or not all what? Edited: you edited to read "not all answers come right away".That's fine. There is also the nature of persistent and perseverance regarding prayer, as not all come right away.
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