Things to consider about the Ten Commandments

[from scratch]

The Law of Liberty is the Torah!

"And I will walk at liberty, For I seek Your precepts." Psalm 119:45

Knowing EXACTLY what pleases God and what doesn't = TRUE FREEDOM!

"And I will walk broad and wide, For I seek Your precepts."

Broad and wide is the definition of liberty as used in your verse. Personally I see no difference for the Christian. The main difference is David did by the law while the Christian does by the leading of the Holy Spirit - Gal 5:18.

The law is a negative focus while the Holy Spirit has a positive focus.

The law says no (don't) and the Holy Spirit says do.

 

[Elder 111]

What is the definition of sin? I have asked this before without an answer. Of course this is in the light that there is no law to transgress.

 

[from scratch]

Dodging I see.

You can't use a misinterpreted verse to hide behind.

SIN=Going against God's instructions.

Sin can not be accounted to someone who did not first receive instruction prohibiting or allowing it.

Common basic Christianity 101.

No dodge.

No hiding.

No going against God's instructions for the Christian.

What does Paul say about the Gentile in Roman 2?

 

[Elder 111]

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Is it true that Adam was to die a spiritual death or was the death above the death he was to die for sin?

 

[Sophrosyne]

What is the definition of sin? I have asked this before without an answer. Of course this is in the light that there is no law to transgress.

There is no easy answer to this. You can equate sin being rebellion against God.... rejecting God, doing evil, falling short of the glory of God.
The Law falls way short of this in that it only tells you what some sins are but doesn't go far enough such that Jesus claimed that even thinking evil is sin which the Law doesn't cover it only is concerned with observable acts for the most part. The Law says you aren't sinning when you hate someone unless you actually murder them while Jesus said it was sin to even hate someone and the sin was on the level of murder. He also said it was sin to lust after anothers spouse while the Law says only the physical act of adultery is sinful. In other words sin is much more than transgressing the Law and some parts of the Law are only sin to those who are bound by it. Gentiles were not sinning when they don't keep the Sabbath in the OT if they are outside of Israel and not a part of them.
I've heard someone claim the Noahide Laws cover sin for non Jews at the time of Israel while Christians are covered by loving their neighbor if they do that they aren't considered sinning.

 

[Sophrosyne]

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Is it true that Adam was to die a spiritual death or was the death above the death he was to die for sin?

Tell me the bible said he would die, and equated it in such a way it was immedediate yet Adam didn't physically die for another 900 years I believe so either there was another death (spiritual) or God was lying to Adam..... you choose.

 

[from scratch]

Gentiles are grafted AMONG believing Israel into the ONE and ONLY Ekklesia of God!

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in AMONG THEM and became partaker WITH THEM [Romans 11]

I as a wild-olive-branch Gentile am grafted in AMONG Abraham, AMONG David, AMONG Moses, AMONG John the Baptist, AMONG Paul, AMONG Ruth, AMONG all BELIEVERS!

Graft into the Root (Jesus) yes, Israel absolutely not!!! The Jews must also be graft into the Root. So the Root can't be Israel because a Jew is already of Israel. Jesus isn't Israel.

The Gentile Christian never shares the commonwealth of Israel. They do become fellowcitizens with the saints (not Jews). The saints include Abraham while the Jew doesn't. Abraham was never a Jew or Israeli. Furthermore it says with the saints. It doesn't say as a saint. Yes I understand the problems that presents and you're very free to disagree with the concept I'm trying to present.

 

[Elder 111]

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
According to some one would or should believe that there was Grace then God gave law to replace Grace and then Jesus came to bring back Grace. This is based on the idea that Grace and law does not and can not exist together.
What is your take?

 

[from scratch]

Is it better to eat dirt or swine? I guess dirt is dirtier than swine?

Does it matter if the swine fertilize the dirt your veggies grow in?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
According to some one would or should believe that there was Grace then God gave law to replace Grace and then Jesus came to bring back Grace. This is based on the idea that Grace and law does not and can not exist together.
What is your take?

You don't care about my take, because you already rejected it when I already gave it to you many posts back.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Does it matter if the swine fertilize the dirt your veggies grow in?

yup on some farms they grow veggies in hogwash

 

[from scratch]

Judge for yourselves, is it right to eat unclean meat? If you eat unclean meat, do you become clean?

Jesus said it doesn't defile a man because it comes out in the drought. Jesus said one is defiled by what comes out of the mouth and He wasn't talking about vomit.

 

[from scratch]

Context is important, don't go beyond what is written.

Certainly every half sentence and verse is totally unrelated to any other part of the Bible.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Judge for yourselves, is it right to eat unclean meat? If you eat unclean meat, do you become clean?

The concept of unclean meat only exists for Jews under the Law, it doesn't exist for Christians according to the Council of Jerusalem the only meat we have to concern ourselves with is bloody meat.

 

[from scratch]

I heard someone say that "if pigs had wings they could fly"; have you eye-witnessed a flying pig? If you have you may need to seek help.

LLoJ we need your winged flying pigs.

 

[from scratch]

Are you throwing a huge ball at me?

Its impossible to throw one that big to hit a speck.

 

[from scratch]

Pretty fine and dandy words…but we are grafted into a TREE and not grafted into the root. So if you know anything about grafting…it takes place in the tree. Yes the tree is takes nourishment, etc from the root…but the branches are grafted into a TREE. Who/what is the tree?!

For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree? [Romans 11:24]

I think someone said you don't know much about grafting. I don't think you know much about trees either.

 

[from scratch]

I just posted the scriptures, are you still trying to hit me with a huge ball?

Sorry but I couldn't find what you posted in my Bible.

 

[disciple1]

What about these verses in Galatians chapter 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27 For it is written:
“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”[a]

28 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[b] 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

[mercy1061]

I already said our nature was sin, and in Christ we are contrary to that nature.

So committing sin is the law of nature? Contrary to nature, means obeying G-d? I thought sin is the violation of the law, are you familiar with the scientific term photosynthesis?