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There must be a twisting of Scripture to deceive God's people.
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The best thing you should do is spend some time studying what you believe because you're mixing your beliefs with mine.
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Not until you have wasted 22 years in an utterly dead from the neck up, Sabbarian cult church can you really appreciate a real live electrifying Christian church.
I am quite entitled to express my opinion on this issue. I have earned that right.
The difference between the miserable and clinically-depressed Sabbatarian cult church and a real Christian Church is beyond belief. It cannot even be described. The best you can do is describe it as night and day. Miserable Sabbatariansm was my long dark depressed night of the soul.
I have now experienced the Resurrection. I am blinded by the Son.
I am quite entitled to express my opinion on this issue. I have earned that right.
The difference between the miserable and clinically-depressed Sabbatarian cult church and a real Christian Church is beyond belief. It cannot even be described. The best you can do is describe it as night and day. Miserable Sabbatariansm was my long dark depressed night of the soul.
I have now experienced the Resurrection. I am blinded by the Son.
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Beg your pardon. We're talking in 2 totally different languages. Besides I consider the whole Bible while you appear to not even consider all the Book of the Law.
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The Ten Commandments on stone was the main focus of God and His people all throughout the OT. Today they still remain the focus but now they are written on the heart and mind. God's Law is so perfect that every sin and crime committed in the world has its root in God's Law. Thank God for His grace.
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That is no longer the focus in the New Testament. In fact its not even a side issue for the Christian. The real reason it seems to be discussed in the New Testament is because of the Judaizers.
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Like I said before and I'll say it again it's still wrong to commit adultery, murder, lie, steal, worship other gods, worship idols, disobey parents and so on.
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This whole argument about Sabbath Keeping is laughable and absurd! Sabbath Keeping is a pale, diseased, shadow of a day compared to the Shocking Glory of the Resurrection. Sabbatarians simply "do not get it," with their silly and pitiful insistence on worshiping a depressing and obsolete day completely fulfilled on Christ's day spent in the Tomb.
Not until you go to a real Christian church and experience Christianity's powerful celebration of Christianity's central Holy Day - Easter - can you really comprehend how sickening this pathetic obsession on keeping the Sabbath actually is!
Real Christianity's Easter Holy Day is a shocking, earth-shattering, mind-boggling celebration of the most Glorious day in history.
Not until you go to a real Christian church and experience Christianity's powerful celebration of Christianity's central Holy Day - Easter - can you really comprehend how sickening this pathetic obsession on keeping the Sabbath actually is!
Real Christianity's Easter Holy Day is a shocking, earth-shattering, mind-boggling celebration of the most Glorious day in history.
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Easter is pure pagan but hey since that's what Sunday observance is all about too so why stop there, you might as well say that Jesus was born on December 25th and 40 days of Lent is of God.
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"Easter is pure pagan but hey since that's what Sunday observance is all about too so why stop there, you might as well say that Jesus was born on December 25th and 40 days of Lent is of God."
I DO say that! I just wrote about my first Divine Liturgy yesterday at an Orthodox Church:
"Oh don't worry about me staying around.....I went to my first Sunday Divine Liturgy yesterday.
I have gone to Church most of my life, everything from Seventh Day Adventism, to Evangelical Churches to about 15 years in the Anglican Communion.
What I experienced with Sunday's Divine Liturgy was so earth-shattering, mind-boggling and unbelievable it convinces me I truly have never set foot in a "real" church in my entire life before yesterday. I have NEVER been so touched and felt the real power of God like that.......EVER!!! My wife and I were just blubbering and sobbing like babies through the whole thing. At the end when everyone else was walking up to the Priest to kiss the cross, we were sitting on the sidelines too weak and helpless from the non-stop bawling to even stand up. The incredible Priest came over to us with the cross and held it up to us while he was kneeling on the floor and held it so we could kiss it. That started a brand new torrent of uncontrollable sobbing in both of us. I am bawling uncontrollably just writing this. It was for us the most amazing spiritual experience either of us have ever had in our entire lives! It was so POWERFUL that we both felt like any minute God was going to rip the roof off of the Church and transplant the Sun inside.
We couldn't stop bawling!! We went in the Church dining room afterwords and could not eat solid food for about 15 minutes. I am STILL breaking out in involuntary tears of joy today!!! Truly astounding....unbelievable....never even would have dared DREAM that I would ever experience something like that. I sat next to an ex-Jehovah's Witness who converted 4 years ago. He told me the same thing happened to him when he visited a Russian Orthodox church in Nevada where not one single word of English was spoken. He didn't understand a word of it, but immediately came back to Idaho and started the conversion process. He said it best: "Everything about the Orthodox Church is exactly OPPOSITE of the Jehovah's Witnesses."
I can truthfully say I have had no experience with real Christianity before yesterday.
I don't see how I could possibly remain the same person after that. I am not the same person today. The Priest told us Easter is 10 times more powerful. If that is true, I am in for another shocking, earth-shattering event."
I DO say that! I just wrote about my first Divine Liturgy yesterday at an Orthodox Church:
"Oh don't worry about me staying around.....I went to my first Sunday Divine Liturgy yesterday.
I have gone to Church most of my life, everything from Seventh Day Adventism, to Evangelical Churches to about 15 years in the Anglican Communion.
What I experienced with Sunday's Divine Liturgy was so earth-shattering, mind-boggling and unbelievable it convinces me I truly have never set foot in a "real" church in my entire life before yesterday. I have NEVER been so touched and felt the real power of God like that.......EVER!!! My wife and I were just blubbering and sobbing like babies through the whole thing. At the end when everyone else was walking up to the Priest to kiss the cross, we were sitting on the sidelines too weak and helpless from the non-stop bawling to even stand up. The incredible Priest came over to us with the cross and held it up to us while he was kneeling on the floor and held it so we could kiss it. That started a brand new torrent of uncontrollable sobbing in both of us. I am bawling uncontrollably just writing this. It was for us the most amazing spiritual experience either of us have ever had in our entire lives! It was so POWERFUL that we both felt like any minute God was going to rip the roof off of the Church and transplant the Sun inside.
We couldn't stop bawling!! We went in the Church dining room afterwords and could not eat solid food for about 15 minutes. I am STILL breaking out in involuntary tears of joy today!!! Truly astounding....unbelievable....never even would have dared DREAM that I would ever experience something like that. I sat next to an ex-Jehovah's Witness who converted 4 years ago. He told me the same thing happened to him when he visited a Russian Orthodox church in Nevada where not one single word of English was spoken. He didn't understand a word of it, but immediately came back to Idaho and started the conversion process. He said it best: "Everything about the Orthodox Church is exactly OPPOSITE of the Jehovah's Witnesses."
I can truthfully say I have had no experience with real Christianity before yesterday.
I don't see how I could possibly remain the same person after that. I am not the same person today. The Priest told us Easter is 10 times more powerful. If that is true, I am in for another shocking, earth-shattering event."
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Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
I'm not sure why all of this attacking Sunday worship business as many of us believers don't equate Sunday as a mandatory day anywhere near similar to those who attack it and then demand the Sabbath must be kept. There is nowhere in the Bible that says you MUST attend Church on Sunday neither is there anywhere in the Bible that Christians must attend Church on Saturday either. I find those who demand a day of worship of Christians are the guilty ones of twisting scripture. I attend Church on Wednesdays and Saturdays and Sundays and even have gone on a Friday so does that make me deceived?
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But do you honor the seventh day in light of what I represents? God loves using created things to bear witness of His eternal power and divine nature.
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Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
It represents nothing to Christians, there is no commandment for Christians to observe a specific day of worship.... period.
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Says you! Both marriage and the seventh day were instituted at creation for all mankind and this was before sin, Law or Jew. Remember, even Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind. Those who don't care about the things of God neither marry or honor the seventh day.
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Sabbatarians are Judaizers that have revived the old Ebionite heresy. Christianity never required worship on Saturday, and history shows beyond all dispute the Apostles began "breaking the Bread" on Sundays, on the first Resurrection day.
Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says and says what it means. Which is why today's Ebionites have to discard St. Paul eventually, if they are to remain honest. The Epistles are some of Christianity's most important inspired texts, which is why Judaizers and Ebionites have tried since the First Century to get rid of them.
Judaizing Sabbatarians eventually - if they are honest - reject the divinity of Christ, much like Seventh Day Adventists held to heretical Arian views for about their first 100 years. So we see that Ebionite Sabbatarians with their emphasis on the Dead Law of Moses is completely fundamentally incompatible with Christianity.
Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says and says what it means. Which is why today's Ebionites have to discard St. Paul eventually, if they are to remain honest. The Epistles are some of Christianity's most important inspired texts, which is why Judaizers and Ebionites have tried since the First Century to get rid of them.
Judaizing Sabbatarians eventually - if they are honest - reject the divinity of Christ, much like Seventh Day Adventists held to heretical Arian views for about their first 100 years. So we see that Ebionite Sabbatarians with their emphasis on the Dead Law of Moses is completely fundamentally incompatible with Christianity.
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Jesus and St. Paul NEVER ordered Christians to keep the Sabbath. Christians began worshiping on Sunday at the Resurrection and were assembled on a Sunday to "break the bread" when the Day of Pentecost occurred.
I can see that you are having a terrible problem with Colossians 2:14-17, but it is a basic text of Christianity. Plainly it is consistent with the Decree that followed the Council of Jerusalem in AD 50, where the Gentile Christians were told they would not keep most of the Mosaic Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jerusalem
Your problem is the Epistles of St. Paul and the wall of history surrounding the Early Church. You need to study REAL Christianity with someone that knows what they are talking about, instead of that dead-handed Ebionite Heresy that you try to foist off on people. Eventually, if you continue in your Ebionite Heresy you will be forced to choose between that and the Divinity of Christ and the Epistles of St. Paul.
Once you experience REAL Christianity instead of your dead-handed Ebionite heresy, you will wonder why you stayed in that depressing anti-Christian cult for so long. Many former Seventh Day Adventists how found that Christianity dramatically surpasses anything they were getting out of their Ebionite heresy. http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbathgate-1888ad-Kerry-Wynne.htm
I can see that you are having a terrible problem with Colossians 2:14-17, but it is a basic text of Christianity. Plainly it is consistent with the Decree that followed the Council of Jerusalem in AD 50, where the Gentile Christians were told they would not keep most of the Mosaic Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Jerusalem
Your problem is the Epistles of St. Paul and the wall of history surrounding the Early Church. You need to study REAL Christianity with someone that knows what they are talking about, instead of that dead-handed Ebionite Heresy that you try to foist off on people. Eventually, if you continue in your Ebionite Heresy you will be forced to choose between that and the Divinity of Christ and the Epistles of St. Paul.
Once you experience REAL Christianity instead of your dead-handed Ebionite heresy, you will wonder why you stayed in that depressing anti-Christian cult for so long. Many former Seventh Day Adventists how found that Christianity dramatically surpasses anything they were getting out of their Ebionite heresy. http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbathgate-1888ad-Kerry-Wynne.htm
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Jesus didn't have to tell his followers to keep the seventh day special because it was already a known fact. Jesus didn't have to say homosexuality was wrong either. How do you feel about homosexuality since Jesus never said it was wrong?
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Please deal with the real issues here: Christians began worshiping on Sunday right from the Resurrection and the Council of Jerusalem eliminated any requirement that the Gentile Christians would keep the Mosaic Law. You cannot dispute that, nor can you dispute what Colossians 2:14-17 says.
Your beliefs are just the old, well-worn and rejected Ebionite Heresy. Christianity rejected your heresy early on. Give Christianity a chance, you won't believe the difference. It doesn't have the Mark of the Beast like your dishonest prophet Ellen White Claimed. Many Seventh Day Adventists are escaping the darkness of SDA and walking into the light of Christianity for the first time. http://outofadventism.com/2012/10/3...exts-used-by-seventh-day-adventists-examined/
Your beliefs are just the old, well-worn and rejected Ebionite Heresy. Christianity rejected your heresy early on. Give Christianity a chance, you won't believe the difference. It doesn't have the Mark of the Beast like your dishonest prophet Ellen White Claimed. Many Seventh Day Adventists are escaping the darkness of SDA and walking into the light of Christianity for the first time. http://outofadventism.com/2012/10/3...exts-used-by-seventh-day-adventists-examined/
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