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So I was right about there being a conspiracy theory. That Paul was actually a special agent of the Pharisees. And the plot was so diabolical that instead of promoting Judaizing gentile converts and insisting they be circumcised, he fought against the Judaizers and Pharisees because... well I'm not sure where the plot is supposed to go from there.

The ironic thing is that what you're espousing is much closer to what the Pharisees wanted Christian converts to be taught. It's what they were trying to push. For Jewish converts to Christ to remain as Old Covenant Jewish as possible, and especially for Gentile converts to Christ to become as Old Covenant Jewish as possible.
 
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You are right about nothing; I have answered your questions; I am not interested in a personal brawl.
 
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That would imply that the LORD made a mistake which is hysterical

Acts 9:15

The lord does not make mistakes, therefore the Law is perfect and unchangeable. Acts 9:15 is Luke saying what Paul said the Lord said; the only certification Paul has is what comes out of his own mouth; he has neither of the two witness (the Father or the Son); not mentioned in prophesy or in Revelation, unless by a different name.
 
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I think given the choice between Luke and Peter validating Paul, and what sparow says, most of us are going to go with Luke and Peter.
 
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I think given the choice between Luke and Peter validating Paul, and what sparow says, most of us are going to go with Luke and Peter.

I think you statement is ridiculous, only Jesus and His Father could validate Paul, and both neglected to do so, they would have told their people beforehand, before it happened.
 
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I think you statement is ridiculous, only Jesus and His Father could validate Paul, and both neglected to do so, they would have told their people beforehand, before it happened.
Jesus validated Paul according to Luke, just as the Father validated Jesus according to Luke.
 
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Would you consider yourself a Red Letter Christian?

 
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Jesus validated Paul according to Luke, just as the Father validated Jesus according to Luke.


We seem to be going in circles. How did Jesus validate Paul according Luke? How did the Father validate Jesus, according to Luke?
 
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We seem to be going in circles. How did Jesus validate Paul according Luke? How did the Father validate Jesus, according to Luke?
Of course this is going in circles. Paul was validated by Jesus because Luke said so. If Luke's say so about Paul isn't good enough, then his say so about Jesus becomes equally unreliable. There's really no way of getting around that, no matter how much you want to. If you want to hold to a relatively new and unorthodox version of the gospel, that's fine. But of course most Christians are going to disagree with it, and point out the inescapable plot holes that exist within the contrary version.
 
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There is no rapture…. Hmmm…. I guess I will have to call it “The great catching away!”
Actually there was no rapture in Christian theology until 1820 when a teenage girl named Margaret MacDonald had a vision of it happening.
 
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There is no rapture…. Hmmm…. I guess I will have to call it “The great catching away!”
A better and more accurate name for what will happen to fulfil 1 Thess 4:17 and Matthew 24:31, is: the Great Horizontal Transportation.
From where all the faithful People of God are to where Jesus is after He has come down from heaven. Initially in the clouds, then to Jerusalem.
 
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It is nice for me to attend rapture believing churches as they show themselves as a more pure Christian congregation…

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. - 1 John 3:2-3
 
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Your arguments are based on your assumptions, and mine on my assumptions; my assumptions are better than yours (not to forget the Holy Spirit, that had replaced Jesus at that time). Jesus said, beware lest you, the very elect, be deceived; for me the warning guaranteed it would happen.
 
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My arguments are based on orthodox Christian apologetics. The warning applies to strange, unusual, unsound, unorthodox doctrine.
 
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It is nice for me to attend rapture believing churches as they show themselves as a more pure Christian congregation…
Yes, it is nice when people agree with each other. Too bad their beliefs are wrong.
When the many Prophesies about a forthcoming worldwide disaster strikes, Isaiah 24:1-6, +, and those who wanted God to lift them out of it, find themselves still on earth, many will fall from their faith.
That is how God wants it to be. It will be our test of faith and trust in the Lord for His protection. 1 Peter 4:12
 
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Just one moment with the Holy Spirit to me is worth the million dollars. I see above me a great sea of blessings proceeding from God the Father and wish it to flood my soul with its goodness! The Holy Spirit is good for the soul and is called by Christ Jesus the comforter. It is the Holy Spirit's business to prepare Christ a purified pride...

And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. - 1 John 3:3
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard... - Colossians 1:23
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. - 2 Timothy 4:8

What is the hope of the Gospel but in the appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ?

I think the Pharisee type, or even worse the Sadducee type (noting sad-you-see) as thinking they hold the truth but inside are ravening wolves seeking who they can condemn and devour with material they think, because they have been decades in the making, must be true.
 
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