There is no hell.

[Heber]

Yep, there are two things you can't do in heaven: sin or evangelise!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Your "god" is made up.

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" KJB

Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, not us, but if we deny Christ that is where we're going because God cannot let sin into Heaven.

Sounds like Ezekiel 39:12 to me which I view as fulfilled

Matthew 3:7 Being aware yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon the baptism of him he said to them "produce of vipers! who shows to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>"

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb/bury them so that to Cleanse/Purify the Land Seven Months.
And all of people of the Land entomb/bury them, and He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of my Lord/Adonai YHWH. [2 Thess 1:10]

 

[Cody2]

Sounds like Ezekiel 39:12 to me which I view as fulfilled

Matthew 3:7 Being aware yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon the baptism of him he said to them "produce of vipers! who shows to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>"

Ezekiel 39:12 And house of Israel entomb them so that to Cleanse/Purify the Land Seven Months.
And all of people of the Land entomb them, and He becomes to them for a Name, Day of to be glorified Me, declaration of my Lord/Adonai YHWH. [2 Thess 1:10]

Read the book of Revelation and believe what you read. You'll see that there is a Hell and the people in Hell will be dumped into the Lake of Fire at the White Throne Judgment after they confess that Jesus is Lord.

 

[GuardianShua]

Your "god" is made up.

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" KJB

Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, not us, but if we deny Christ that is where we're going because God cannot let sin into Heaven.

Ah, but you see yours is not the only viable postulation.

I also do not believe God fries any person alive in fire forever or even for a moment, and that God is Good, even Perfect.

yet I also acknowledge there is A HELL for the devil and his messengers...and that these same are bound WITH mankind....You and I are no exception. So before you 'rail' on the evasiveness in your fellow man...you know the drill...engage your own mind and heart for a change. What is 'in you' dodges with the best of 'em.

enjoy!

squint

Do you guys understand that there is a difference between TRANSLATION and INTERPRETATION?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Read the book of Revelation and believe what you read. You'll see that there is a Hell and the people in Hell will be dumped into the Lake of Fire at the White Throne Judgment after they confess that Jesus is Lord.

Greetings. I have not only read thru it, but I also spent about 2 yrs translating it

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738) these-things, up-bend! and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 16/21]

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7276015&page=2
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

 

[GuardianShua]

Read the book of Revelation and believe what you read. You'll see that there is a Hell and the people in Hell will be dumped into the Lake of Fire at the White Throne Judgment after they confess that Jesus is Lord.

Have you given any thought as to what a parable is?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you guys understand that there is a difference between TRANSLATION and INTERPRETATION?

Take 10 different Bible versions using 3 different greek texts, and you will come up with 10 different interpretations.
There was a thread concering the greek word #3195 which was interesting

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 3:7 Seeing yet many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming upon his baptism he said to them "broods of vipers! who suggested to ye to be fleeing from the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) Wrath? [Reve 3:10/12:4]

Reve 3:10 That thou keep the Word of the endurance of Me, I also thee shall be keeping out of the Hour of the trial of the being about/melloushV <3195> (5723) to be coming upon the being-homed, whole, to try the ones dwelling upon the land.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7131625&page=3
2 Timothy 4:1 translation

 

[GuardianShua]

Take 10 different Bible versions using 3 different greek texts, and you will come up with 10 different interpretations.

And that is what I am talking about. And worst than that is any hanky panky during the canonization of scriptures. Obvilously when there is a contradiction there needs to be some investigation for the truth.

 

[GuardianShua]

Throughout this thread I have repeated myself and certain facts. But like bunny rabbits people have jumped all around the facts, never addressing those things. That is the reason for my harsh words. Nobody has decieved me. I know that because those who want to believe that God is evil, and that He tortures people for all eternity are not able to answer my questions or statements, jump over the issues. I am not fooled, I know that people are dodging the facts that I have presented, because they are not able to give an answer. Don't pretend you do not know what I'm talking about.

I'm glad that we are in agreement on the nature of God. In regards to angels:
The Bible uses the terms &#1502;&#1500;&#1488;&#1498; &#1488;&#1500;&#1492;&#1497;&#1501; (melakh Elohiym; messenger of God), &#1502;&#1500;&#1488;&#1498; &#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492; (melakh Adonai; messenger of the Lord), &#1489;&#1504;&#1497; &#1488;&#1500;&#1493;&#1492;&#1497;&#1501; (b'nai Elohiym; sons of God) and &#1492;&#1511;&#1493;&#1491;&#1513;&#1497;&#1501; (ha-qodeshim; the holy ones) to refer to beings traditionally interpreted as angels. The word "angel" in English (from Old English and German Engel), French (from Old French angele), Spanish, and many other Romance languages are derived from the Latin angelus, itself derived from Koine Greek: &#940;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#962;, angelos, "messenger" (pl. &#940;&#947;&#947;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#953. The ultimate etymology of that word in Greek is uncertain.

The rationalist view of angels, as held by Maimonides, Gersonides, Samuel Ibn Tibbon, etc., states that God's actions are never mediated by a violation of the laws of nature. Rather, all such interactions are by way of messengers. Maimonides harshly states that the average person's understanding of the term "angel" is ignorant in the extreme.

According to Maimonides, the wise man understands that what the Bible and Talmud refer to as "angels" are actually metaphors for laws of nature, or the principles by which the universe operates.

The origin of angels in history is quite complicated to figure out, due to angels or similar spirit beings being found within many cultures around the globe.

Angels are also found within Sumerian, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian and Greek writings. Serapis (Latin spelling, or Sarapis in Greek) was a syncretic Hellenistic-Egyptian god in Antiquity. It is well known that ancient Sumerian texts predated the Hebrew book of Genesis, including the idea of the existence of angels.
Although called different names, angels can also be found within other religions, mythologies, and lore. Hinduism has avatars, Buddhism has devas and bodhisattvas, the Greeks wrote about daimons, and other spirit beings similar to angels, such as guardian spirits and spirit guides, have been taught by tribal cultures.

The reality is this from a biblical perspective. A messenger of God is a person either here on earth, or from the Kingdom of God. The number of wings is symbolic of status, nothing more. The difference being a real person, or Pagan mythology.

Has anyone really read through this book of Jude carefully, comparing it to your own?

Jude

1. Jude, a servant of Yahshua the Messiah, and brother of James, and to them that are sanctified by Yahwah the Father, also called and saved by Yahshua the Messiah.
2. May mercy, peace, and devotion, be multiplied to you.
3. Loved, I was eager to write to you about the salvation we share, it was necessary for me to write to you, and encourage you to earnestly contend for the faith that was given to the saints.
4. Because you are unaware that certain men have sneaked in, who are of a ancient order to their condemnation, these ungodly men turn the grace of our God into immorality, and deny that the only God is Yahwah, or that our lord Yahshua is the Messiah.
5. I will remind you although you once knew this, how Yahwah, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that did not believe.
6. Those messengers did not keep their first estate, and they were removed from their place, and He has reserved for them everlasting chains of darkness for that great day of judgment.
7. Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in the same manner, they gave themselves over to fornication, and strange flesh.
8. And they will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire, as a set example; As also along with these filthy dreamers who also defile their flesh.
9. They say evil things about dignitaries and despise their dominion, they say evil things about what they know nothing about.
10. But what they do know naturally like brute beasts; In those things they have corrupted themselves.
11. Woe to them! they have gone the ways of Cain, and have ran greedily after the errors of Balaam for a reward, and perish like in the rebellion of Korah.
12. They are blemishes at your devotions, without fear they eat with you, only to feed themselves; They are clouds without rain, carried about by winds; pulled up by the roots they are trees whose fruit has withered before harvest, twice dead;
13. Like raging waves of the sea, whose foam is to their own shame; They are wandering stars, for whom is reserved the blackest of darkness for ever.
14. And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about them, saying, look, the Lord is coming with tens of thousands of his saints,
15. To execute judgment upon them, and to convince all of the ungodly among them of their ungodly deeds, which they have committed, and all of their hard words spoken by the ungodly sinners who have spoken against Him.
16. These complainers are grumblers walking after their own lusts; and their mouths speak with great words of pride, having the admiration of men because of some personal advantage.
17. Loved, do you remember the words which were spoken of before; by the disciples of our lord Yahshua the Messiah;
18. How they told you there would come mockers in the last days, and how they would walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19. Not having the Spirit; these are the people who divide you by their lust.
20. But your love builds you up in your most holy faith, praying to the Holy Spirit,
21. Keep yourselves as Yahwah's devoted, looking for mercy from our lord Yahshua the Messiah for eternal life.
22. Make a difference and have compassion.
23. Save others without fear, by pulling them from the fire; hate even the cloths stained by the flesh.
24. He is able to keep you from falling, and present you faultless before his present glory with great joy,
25. And to the only wise God and Saviour, be glory,majesty, dominion and power; To both now, and forever. Truly. [/SIZE]

OK then. We have scripture that says that God is merciful, and that God is merciless. I have stated that those verses that shows God to do evil and is merciless, have been not correctly translated. Since there are contradictions in scripture of that nature, then only one point of view is correct. Either God is merciful and good, or He is merciless and evil. I will remind everyone again that it was the Catholic Church that CANONIZED scriptures. That statement alone should answer your question; the fact Pagan Rome had a religious belief in Hades prior to Christianity. Why should a persons punishment be exceedingly more beyond measure than any sins that they had committed? What need would that satisfy any God, to torture living being for all eternity. That does not make sense to even any rational human being. Now I ask everyone here; do you still believe in an eternal Hell?

And so what does the word "Vatican" mean?​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And so what does the word "Vatican" mean?

Is it mentioned in the Bible anywhere?

 

[X=?]

Throughout this thread I have repeated myself and certain facts. But like bunny rabbits people have jumped all around the facts, never addressing those things. That is the reason for my harsh words. Nobody has decieved me. I know that because those who want to believe that God is evil, and that He tortures people for all eternity are not able to answer my questions or statements, jump over the issues. I am not fooled, I know that people are dodging the facts that I have presented, because they are not able to give an answer. Don't pretend you do not know what I'm talking about.

I have read what you have presented here and have not pretended I don't understand your viewpoint. I have read all your comments with curiosity, intrigue and sceptcism, however I am afraid the 'harsh words' and use of belittling language immediately turn me away from the presentation of information you have put together. If you have a message of truth/revelation then I can only suggest you amend the format and method that you have utilised in delivering it, because at the moment its not working very well in an abbrasive format and would be better favoured coming from the fruits of Gods Spirit which are clear characteristics of Gods input in a situation.

 

[GuardianShua]

I have read what you have presented here and have not pretended I don't understand your viewpoint. I have read all your comments with curiosity, intrigue and sceptcism, however I am afraid the 'harsh words' and use of belittling language immediately turn me away from the presentation of information you have put together. If you have a message of truth/revelation then I can only suggest you amend the format and method that you have utilised in delivering it, because at the moment its not working very well in an abbrasive format and would be better favoured coming from the fruits of Gods Spirit which are clear characteristics of Gods input in a situation.

The message was not for you alone, but whom ever should read it. I do not like being an ass, but like anyone else I do not like to get trampled upon either. It seems to me that you did take a second look at what I wrote, I hope others will also pay closer attention. I am sorry that I spoke in such a way to get anyones attention.

 

[squint]

Your "god" is made up.

Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" KJB

Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, not us, but if we deny Christ that is where we're going because God cannot let sin into Heaven.

Now just WHO would you expect that statement to be directed to but PEOPLE?

And then just WHERE might you find the DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS? Can you say WITH PEOPLE???

Do the math...

If you want to make a case for God burning people alive in fire forever...all ya gotta do is show ONE SINGLE NAMED PERSON in the entire B-I-B-L-E that is committed to such a fate....

OR

One single named person who is even threatened with such a fate.

Here's a hint: THERE IS NO SUCH CITING.

Simple logic DICTATES that because of the FACT that the devil and his messengers ARE with mankind it is IMPOSSIBLE to divide WHO the statements are made to...the man or the DEVILS with MAN. Get it?

And since we KNOW that the DEVILS are going to the infamous LAKE and since NO NAMED PERSON is stated to have such a fate, logic dictates that this fate will NOT be for mankind.

enjoy!

squint

 

[squint]

Do you guys understand that there is a difference between TRANSLATION and INTERPRETATION?

Do you understand how to respond to observations in posts?

I agreed with you early in this thread that:

A.) THERE IS NO HELL but the grave.
B.) People will not be burned alive forever or their lives permanently eliminated by ETERNAL DEATH

But

C.) There is in fact a LAKE OF FIRE where torture WILL transpire and THIS is what most 'believers' consider to be HELL and that the DEVIL and his messengers will in fact be IN THIS LAKE of FIRE forever

and

C.) You have not addressed C

Give it a shot.

enjoy!

squint

 

[GuardianShua]

Do you understand how to respond to observations in posts?

I agreed with you early in this thread that:

A.) THERE IS NO HELL but the grave.
B.) People will not be burned alive forever or their lives permanently eliminated by ETERNAL DEATH

But

C.) There is in fact a LAKE OF FIRE where torture WILL transpire and THIS is what most 'believers' consider to be HELL and that the DEVIL and his messengers will in fact be IN THIS LAKE of FIRE forever

and

C.) You have not addressed C

Give it a shot.

enjoy!

squint

#1. The word Satan is scriptural and the word Devil is not, accept in maybe one place. The word Satan means accussor.
#2. The word angel is not scriptural. The word messenger is scriptural.
#3. Words like ocean, sea, lake, river, stream, and waters are sometimes used in a parable to mean a body of proples.
#4. Words like fire, burn-ed-ing, flame, coal, lightning and sulfer are sometimes used to mean judgment.
#5. Words like Hell, Hades and Tartaroo are not scriptural. The words sheol, grave, and Gehenna are scriptural.

 

[GuardianShua]

This is what a translated parable looks like:
Revelation 20:14
Then death and sheol were thrown into the peoples judgment. The peoples judgment is the second death.

Revelation 20:15
If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, they were thrown into the peoples judgment.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

So what was the point of Jesus telling the story about Lazarus and the rich man?

 

[GuardianShua]

So what was the point of Jesus telling the story about Lazarus and the rich man?

It appears to be a Gnostic corruption because it does not agree with scripture.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

It appears to be a Gnostic corruption because it does not agree with scripture.

So you're saying Jesus didn't tell the parable?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It appears to be a Gnostic corruption because it does not agree with scripture.

HUH?