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Even taking your weak translation, Hell exists.
And btw, since you seem to be claiming an expertise on ancient Greek, I'd like to see some credentials that qualify you to claim the translations of those who are experts in ancient languages are wrong.
Stop dodging the questions people.

Revelation is full of parables. I have said many times that the word "fire" and others like it are used to mean judgment.
Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
If Yahwah kills the wicked, then how is there life in hell?
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul (spirit). Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul (spirit) and body in hell (Geenna).
If the spirit is dead, how is there any life in the fires of Gehenna; the city dump outside of Jerusalem, where the fires burned day and night?
Since the death of those spirits whom Yahwah kills is forever, then how do they come alive to live in hell?
 
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The messenger in Rev 8:5 could be Yahshua, but there is not enough info to be sure.
How about the Messenger that John is talking with in Reve 21?
I see a lot of similarities with Jesus and John the Baptist when they came toghether at the Jordan.

Reve 21:8 And I John the one hearing and beholding these and when I hear and behold, I fall to worship before the feet of the Messenger, the One showing to me these
16 I Jesus send the Messenger of Me to testify to ye these-things upon the Out-Calleds.
I AM the root and the gener of David, the star, the shining, the morning
 
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How about the Messenger that John is talking with in Reve 21?
I see a lot of similarities with Jesus and John the Baptist when they came toghether at the Jordan.

Reve 21:8 And I John the one hearing and beholding these and when I hear and behold, I fall to worship before the feet of the Messenger, the One showing to me these
16 I Jesus send the Messenger of Me to testify to ye these-things upon the Out-Calleds.
I AM the root and the gener of David, the star, the shining, the morning
I did not mention this before, but in the Old testament is one or two verses that parallel that one. Yes it could be yahshua, but I would not want to stick my neck out on that one.
 
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How about the Messenger that John is talking with in Reve 21?
I see a lot of similarities with Jesus and John the Baptist when they came toghether at the Jordan.

Reve 21:8 And I John the one hearing and beholding these and when I hear and behold, I fall to worship before the feet of the Messenger, the One showing to me these
16 I Jesus send the Messenger of Me to testify to ye these-things upon the Out-Calleds.
I AM the root and the gener of David, the star, the shining, the morning
Correct, Yahshua tells John not to worship him.


Revelation 1

1. This is the Revelation from Yahshua the Messiah, which Yahwah gave to him, to show to his servant things which must soon come and pass; and he sent it signed by his messenger, from his servant John;
2. He testifies that this record is the word of Yahwah, by the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah, about all of these things seen.
3. Bless them that read this, and those that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep the things which are written within; for now is the time.
4. John; To the seven churches which are in Asia; Grace and peace to you, from Him which is, and was, and is to come; your Seven Spirits are before His throne;
5. And from Yahshua the Messiah, who is a trustworthy witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and King of the princes on earth. He loved us, and washed us from our sins by his own blood.
6. He has made us kings and priests for his God and Father; and for His glory and dominion for ever and ever. Truly.
7. Watch, he will come through the clouds; and every eye will see him, and also them who pierced him; and all peoples of the earth will cry out because of him. Even so, Truly.
8. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said Yahwah, which is, and was, and is yet to come, the Almighty.
9. I John, am also your brother and companion in tribulation; and patiently awaiting for The Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah. Im on the island called Patmos for the word of Yahwah, and for the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah.
10. I was in the spirit on Yahwah's day, and heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet,
11. Saying, write in a book what you see and send it to the Seven Churches that are in Asia; To Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
12. And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And as I turned, I saw Seven golden Lampsticks;
13. And in the middle of the Seven Lampsticks was someone like the Son of Man, clothed with a robe down to his feet, and tied about the chest with a golden sash.
14. The hair on his head was like wool and whiter than snow; and his eyes were like flames of fire;
15. And his feet were like fine brass burning in a furnace; and his voice was like the sound of many waters.
16. And he had in his right hand Seven Stars; and out of his mouth came a sharp two edged sword; And his appearance was like the sun shining full strength.
17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as if dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Do not be afraid; Im the First and the Last;
18. Im alive, and was dead; But look, Im alive for evermore, Truly; and I have the keys to death and the grave.
19. Write about these things you have seen, the things which are now and in the future.
20. The mystery of the Seven Stars you saw in my right hand, and the Seven golden Lampsticks, is this.The Seven Stars are the messengers of the seven churches; and the Seven Lampsticks which you saw are the seven churches.
 
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The most convincing evidence for the eternality in the LOF is Matthew 25:46: “Then they [the wicked] will go away to
eternal punishment, (not eternal punishing) but the righteous to eternal life.” (Notice this punishment is placed in contrast
to eternal life)
In this verse, the exact same Greek word is used to refer to the destiny of the wicked and the righteous. If
the wicked are only tormented for an “age,” then the righteous will only experience life in Heaven for an age. If believers
will be in Heaven forever, unbelievers will be in the LOF forever.
(God is the God of love not some kind of monster. Only an evil monster could punish some one forever for things they did
for only 70 years. How sad it is that anyone would believe things like that about the God of the Bible.)

Note the highlights in red. You are attempting to nullify scripture by your own rationalization and equivocation. If "punishment" does NOT mean "punishing." Then "life" does NOT mean "Living." Thus the 'eternal life" that the righteous are given may in fact only last for one hour, one day, one year, etc. What do we believe about the God of the Bible? Exactly what scripture says. God did everything possible to show his love for us. He even experienced death. What kind of monsters would disobey, ignore, even curse that God after having been repeatedly told what the penalty is?
 
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I did not mention this before, but in the Old testament is one or two verses that parallel that one. Yes it could be yahshua, but I would not want to stick my neck out on that one.
I understand. Part of the fun I had translating and trying to harominize the Revelation was learning the Greek.

Lexicons can be more confusing in the long run as they use different numbers for the same ROOT word just because the prefix/suffixes may differ.

I found this rather fascinating as though Luke warns the Jews that when they see armies surrounding Jerusalem, know the desolation of Her is Nigh. Notice the words used in Matt 24 and Reve 17 concerning the 10 Kings WITHOUT a kingdom as yet.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination/bdelugma <946> of the desolation/erhmwsewV <2050> the being declared thru Daniel the prophet, having-stood in a place holy (the one-reading let him be understanding)"

Reve 17:16 And the ten horns which thou saw and/*upon the beast, these shall be hating the Prostitute and desolate/hrhmwmenhn <2049> (5772) they shall be making Her and naked and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and Her they shall be burning in fire

2049. eremoo er-ay-mo'-o from 2048; to lay waste (literally or figuratively):--(bring to, make) desolate(-ion), come to nought.
2050. eremosis er-ay'-mo-sis from 2049; despoliation:--desolation.
 
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I understand. Part of the fun I had translating and trying to harominize the Revelation was learning the Greek.

Lexicons can be more confusing in the long run as they use different numbers for the same ROOT word just because the prefix/suffixes may differ.

I found this rather fascinating as though Luke warns the Jews that when they see armies surrounding Jerusalem, know the desolation of Her is Nigh. Notice the words used in Matt 24 and Reve 17 concerning the 10 Kings WITHOUT a kingdom as yet.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination/bdelugma <946> of the desolation/erhmwsewV <2050> the being declared thru Daniel the prophet, having-stood in a place holy (the one-reading let him be understanding)"

Reve 17:16 And the ten horns which thou saw and/*upon the beast, these shall be hating the Prostitute and desolate/hrhmwmenhn <2049> (5772) they shall be making Her and naked and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and Her they shall be burning in fire

2049. eremoo er-ay-mo'-o from 2048; to lay waste (literally or figuratively):--(bring to, make) desolate(-ion), come to nought.
2050. eremosis er-ay'-mo-sis from 2049; despoliation:--desolation.

It helps to have more than one source, because what one group of scholars wont tell you, the others will.
 
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[SIZE=-1]Stop dodging the questions people.[/SIZE]​

Revelation is full of parables. I have said many times that the word "fire" and others like it are used to mean judgment.[/size]
Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
If Yahwah kills the wicked, then how is there life in hell?
Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul (spirit). Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul (spirit) and body in hell (Geenna).
If the spirit is dead, how is there any life in the fires of Gehenna; the city dump outside of Jerusalem, where the fires burned day and night?
Since the death of those spirits whom Yahwah kills is forever, then how do they come alive to live in hell?

Where does the scripture say that God kills God the spirit? That verse only says he can. You are presenting false information about Gehenna.
Jewish Encyclopedia, GEHENNA
by : Kaufmann Kohler Ludwig Blau

The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.] according to Gen. R. ix. 9, the words "very good" in Gen. i. 31 refer to hell; hence the latter must have been created on the sixth day.

The "fiery furnace" that Abraham saw (Gen. xv. 17, Hebr.) was Gehenna (Mek. xx. 18b, 71b; comp. Enoch, xcviii. 3, ciii. 8; Matt. xiii. 42, 50; 'Er. 19a, where the "fiery furnace" is also identified with the gate of Gehenna). Opinions also vary as to the situation, extent, and nature of hell. The statement that Gehenna is situated in the valley of Hinnom near Jerusalem, in the "accursed valley" (Enoch, xxvii. 1 et seq.), means simply that it has a gate there. It was in Zion, and had a gate in Jerusalem (Isa. xxxi. 9). It had three gates, one in the wilderness, one in the sea, and one in Jerusalem ('Er. 19a). The gate lies between two palm-trees in the valley of Hinnom, from which smoke is continually rising (ib.).

Because of the extent of Gehenna the sun, on setting in the evening, passes by it, and receives from it its own fire (evening glow; B. B. 84a). A fiery stream ("dinur") falls upon the head of the sinner in Gehenna (hag. 13b).

There is a smell of sulfur in Gehenna (Enoch, lxvii. 6). This agrees with the Greek idea of hell (Lucian, &#913;&#955;&#951;&#952;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#921;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#961;&#953;&#945;&#953;, i. 29, in Dietrich, "Abraxas," p. 36). The sulfurous smell of the Tiberian medicinal springs was ascribed to their connection with Gehenna. In Isa. lxvi. 16, 24 it is said that God judges by means of fire.

Gehenna is dark in spite of the immense masses of fire; it is like night (Yeb. 109b; comp. Job x. 22). The same idea also occurs in Enoch, x. 4, lxxxii. 2; Matt. viii. 12, xxii. 13, xxv. 30 (comp. Schwally, l.c. p. 176).

It is assumed that there is an angel-prince in charge of Gehenna. He says to God: "Put everything into my sea; nourish me with the seed of Seth; I am hungry." But God refuses his request, telling him to take the heathen peoples (Shab. 104). God says to the angel-prince: "I punish the slanderers from above, and I also punish them from below with glowing coals" ('Ar. 15b).

Judgment.

It is assumed in general that sinners go to hell immediately after their death. The famous teacher Johanan b. Zakkai wept before his death because he did not know whether he would go to paradise or to hell (Ber. 28b). The pious go to paradise, and sinners to hell (B.M. 83b). To every individual is apportioned two shares, one in hell and one in paradise. At death, however, the righteous man's portion in hell is exchanged, so that he has two in heaven, while the reverse is true in the case of sinners (hag. 15a). Hence it would have been better for the latter not to have lived at all (Yeb. 63b).

They are cast into Gehenna to a depth commensurate with their sinfulness. They say: "Lord of the world, Thou hast done well; Paradise for the pious, Gehenna for the wicked" ('Er. 19a). There are three categories of men; the wholly pious and the arch-sinners are not purified, but only those between these two classes (Ab. R. N. 41). A similar view is expressed in the Babylonian Talmud, which adds that those who have sinned themselves but have not led others into sin remain for twelve months in Gehenna; "after twelve months their bodies are destroyed, their souls are burned, and the wind strews the ashes under the feet of the pious. But as regards the heretics, etc., and Jeroboam, Nebat's son, hell shall pass away, but they shall not pass away" (R. H. 17a; comp. Shab. 33b). All that descend into Gehenna shall come up again, with the exception of three classes of men: those who have committed adultery, or shamed their neighbors, or vilified them (B. M. 58b).

As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). (see image) Valley of Ge-Hinnom.(From a photograph by Bonfils.) The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b). Enoch also holds (xlviii. 9) that the sinners will disappear like chaff before the faces of the elect. There will be no Gehenna in the future world, however, for God will take the sun out of its case, and it will heal the pious with its rays and will punish the sinners (Ned. 8b).

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It helps to have more than one source, because what one group of scholars wont tell you, the others will.
Sometimes different translations can make a verse more obtuse.

For example in Reve 17:16 if you use the NKJV it says it is the 10 horns ON the beast that will hate the Harlot.
But if you use the NASB it will say both the 10 horns AND the beast will hate her.

Don't know how much of a difference that makes but just one of the many "quirks" I came upon while translating that book. Thoughts?

Reve 17:16 And the ten horns which thou saw and/*upon the beast, these shall be hating the Prostitute and desolate/hrhmwmenhn <2049> (5772) they shall be making Her and naked and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and Her they shall be burning in fire

NKJV) Revelation 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

NASB) Revelation 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.
 
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Sometimes different translations can make a verse more obtuse.

For example in Reve 17:16 if you use the NKJV it says it is the 10 horns ON the beast that will hate the Harlot.
But if you use the NASB it will say both the 10 horns AND the beast will hate her.

Don't know how much of a difference that makes but just one of the many "quirks" I came upon while translating that book. Thoughts?

Reve 17:16 And the ten horns which thou saw and/*upon the beast, these shall be hating the Prostitute and desolate/hrhmwmenhn <2049> (5772) they shall be making Her and naked and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating and Her they shall be burning in fire

NKJV) Revelation 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

NASB) Revelation 17:16 "And the ten horns which you saw and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

I would say that the NASB is most correct because horns symbolize strength or kingdom. The word "beast" is also parabolic for nations. The beast that hate her could be the ten and or other nations also. The harlot it's self is a beast (nation.)
 
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I would say that the NASB is most correct because horns symbolize strength or kingdom. The word "beast" is also parabolic for nations. The beast that hate her could be the ten and or other nations also. The harlot it's self is a beast (nation.)
If you look at the Byz-Maj it agrees with the W-H so I would say you are correct.

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Revelation 17:16 kai ta deka kerata a eideV epi to qhrion outoi mishsousin thn pornhn kai hrhmwmenhn poihsousin authn kai gumnhn kai taV sarkaV authV fagontai kai authn katakausousin en puri

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Revelation 17:16 kai ta deka kerata a eideV kai to qhrion outoi mishsousin thn pornhn kai hrhmwmenhn poihsousin authn kai gumnhn kai taV sarkaV authV fagontai kai authn katakausousin [en] puri

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Revelation 17:16 kai ta deka kerata a eideV kai to qhrion outoi mishsousin thn pornhn kai hrhmwmenhn poihsousin authn kai gumnhn [poihsousin authn] kai taV sarkaV authV fagontai kai authn katakausousin en puri
 
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Correct, Yahshua tells John not to worship him.


Revelation 1

1. This is the Revelation from Yahshua the Messiah, which Yahwah gave to him, to show to his servant things which must soon come and pass; and he sent it signed by his messenger, from his servant John;
2. He testifies that this record is the word of Yahwah, by the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah, about all of these things seen.
3. Bless them that read this, and those that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep the things which are written within; for now is the time.
4. John; To the seven churches which are in Asia; Grace and peace to you, from Him which is, and was, and is to come; your Seven Spirits are before His throne;
5. And from Yahshua the Messiah, who is a trustworthy witness, and the first begotten from the dead, and King of the princes on earth. He loved us, and washed us from our sins by his own blood.
6. He has made us kings and priests for his God and Father; and for His glory and dominion for ever and ever. Truly.
7. Watch, he will come through the clouds; and every eye will see him, and also them who pierced him; and all peoples of the earth will cry out because of him. Even so, Truly.
8. I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said Yahwah, which is, and was, and is yet to come, the Almighty.
9. I John, am also your brother and companion in tribulation; and patiently awaiting for The Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah. Im on the island called Patmos for the word of Yahwah, and for the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah.
10. I was in the spirit on Yahwah's day, and heard behind me a loud voice, like a trumpet,
11. Saying, write in a book what you see and send it to the Seven Churches that are in Asia; To Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
12. And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And as I turned, I saw Seven golden Lampsticks;
13. And in the middle of the Seven Lampsticks was someone like the Son of Man, clothed with a robe down to his feet, and tied about the chest with a golden sash.
14. The hair on his head was like wool and whiter than snow; and his eyes were like flames of fire;
15. And his feet were like fine brass burning in a furnace; and his voice was like the sound of many waters.
16. And he had in his right hand Seven Stars; and out of his mouth came a sharp two edged sword; And his appearance was like the sun shining full strength.
17. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as if dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Do not be afraid; Im the First and the Last;
18. Im alive, and was dead; But look, Im alive for evermore, Truly; and I have the keys to death and the grave.
19. Write about these things you have seen, the things which are now and in the future.
20. The mystery of the Seven Stars you saw in my right hand, and the Seven golden Lampsticks, is this.The Seven Stars are the messengers of the seven churches; and the Seven Lampsticks which you saw are the seven churches.

The word "Church" is not in scripture.

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

If you will take notice, the word Church is not used in the Old Testament. The word Ekklesia is used 114 times, and mostly as an INTERPRETATION for Church and a few times as Assembly or Congregation. The word Church is an INTERPRETATION were as Assembly or Congregation would be a TRANSLATION.

The ecclesia or ekklesia was the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens during its Golden Age (480-404 BCE). It was a gathering place for politicians and voters.


CHURCH OR EKKLESIA



This is the word used in most English versions as a rendering of the New Testament's Greek word ekklesia. Ekklesia really means "a calling out", a meeting or a gathering. Ekklesia is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew qahal, which means an assembly or a congregation. Neither ekklesia nor qahal means a building.

Tyndale, in his translation, uniformly translated ekklesia as "congregation" and only used the word "'churches" to translate Acts 19:37 for heathen temples! Whence the word "church", then? Ecclesiastical sources give the origin as kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. However to accept this, one has to stretch your imagination in an attempt to see any resemblance. Also, because kuriakon means a building (the house of Kurios=Lord), and not a gathering or meeting of people, as the words ekklesia and qahal imply, therefore this explanation can only be regarded as distorted, even if it is true.

Our common dictionaries, however, are honest in revealing to us the true origin. They all trace the word back to its Old English or Anglo-Saxon root, namely circe. And the, origin of circe? Any encyclopedia, or dictionary of mythology, will reveal who Circe was. She was the goddess daughter of Helios, the Sun deity! Again, another form of Sun worship, this time the daughter of the Sun deity, had become mixed with the Messianic Faith.

Some interesting facts emerge from the study of the word circe. The word is related to "circus", "circle", "circuit", "Circean", "circulate", and the various words starting with circum-". The Latin pronunciation could have been "sirke" or "sirse". The Old English word circe may have been pronounced similarly to "kirke", or even "sirse".
However, Circe was in fact originally a Greek goddess where her name was written as: Kirke, and pronounced as such — just as in numerous similar cases of words of Greek origin e.g. cyst and kustis, cycle and kuklos, cylinder and kulindros. The word "church" is known in Scotland as kirk, and in German as Kirche and in Netherlands as kerk. These words show their direct derivation from the Greek Kirke even better than the English "church".

However, even the Old English circe for "church", reveals its origin.
Let us rather use the Scriptural "Assembly" or "Congregation", and renounce the word that is derived from Circe, the daughter of the Sun deity which is worshiped even today on the day of the Sun, Sunday!

Circe, daughter of the well known Sun deity Helios. This "Circe" is the identical Old English word for "Church". See any dictionary.
 
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What do you think the word Vatican means? I have noticed that although it is a compound word, no dictionary or encyclopedia states that. I have also noticed that they avoid saying what that word means.

These quotes are from the Encyclopedia Americana,1961 edition.
"Words are frequently changed in an entirely arbitrary way, just for the sake of change, as is the case with taboo, and cant. The purpose is to deform the word in any possible way and render it unrecognizable."
"Cant ,the secret language of a corporation or class of persons, such as criminals, hoboes, students, soldiers, railroaders, conspirators, and the like." This quote should have also included secret societies.
"Canopus. In Egyptian mythology, a water god, represented on vessels of a spherical shape." That is, the shape of a serpent.
"Cannibalism, Kan/i/bal/ism, a customary, socially approved practice, among certain barbarous peoples, of eating human flesh." "The fact that the older, learned term "anthropophagy" derives from the classic Greek anthropos (man) , and phagein (eat), suggests that from ancient times barbarous peoples were known to eat human flesh, or at least were accused of doing so."

Here is a list of proper names of some snakes.

Apostolepis: nick name, messenger snake.
Acanthophis: Adder's.
Canna, Pseudaspis: Mole snake.
Candidus, Bungarus.
Candoia: #1. Aspera, #2. Bibroni, #3. Carinata.
Caninus, Corallas: Emerald tree boa.
Cantherigerus, Alsophis.
Cantil, Agkistrodon bilineatus.
Cantori, Trimeresurus.
Canum, Gyalopion: Western hook-nosed.
Canus, Tropidophis.
 
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[ . . . ]Our common dictionaries, however, are honest in revealing to us the true origin. They all trace the word back to its Old English or Anglo-Saxon root, namely circe. And the, origin of circe? Any encyclopedia, or dictionary of mythology, will reveal who Circe was. She was the goddess daughter of Helios, the Sun deity! Again, another form of Sun worship, this time the daughter of the Sun deity, had become mixed with the Messianic Faith.

Some interesting facts emerge from the study of the word circe. The word is related to "circus", "circle", "circuit", "Circean", "circulate", and the various words starting with circum-". The Latin pronunciation could have been "sirke" or "sirse". The Old English word circe may have been pronounced similarly to "kirke", or even "sirse".
However, Circe was in fact originally a Greek goddess where her name was written as: Kirke, and pronounced as such — just as in numerous similar cases of words of Greek origin e.g. cyst and kustis, cycle and kuklos, cylinder and kulindros. The word "church" is known in Scotland as kirk, and in German as Kirche and in Netherlands as kerk. These words show their direct derivation from the Greek Kirke even better than the English "church".

However, even the Old English circe for "church", reveals its origin.
Let us rather use the Scriptural "Assembly" or "Congregation", and renounce the word that is derived from Circe, the daughter of the Sun deity which is worshiped even today on the day of the Sun, Sunday!

Circe, daughter of the well known Sun deity Helios. This "Circe" is the identical Old English word for "Church". See any dictionary.
I did see a dictionary. This post is totally false! NO, ZERO, NONE pagan Circe!
Random House Webster's
church /cherrch/
n.
1. a building for public Christian worship.
2. a religious service in a church.
3. (cap.)
a. the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
b. any major division of this body; a Christian denomination.
4. a Christian congregation.
5. organized religion as distinguished from the state.
6. (cap.) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
7. the profession of an ecclesiastic.
v.t.
8. to perform a church service for (a woman after childbirth).
[bef. 900; ME chir(i) che, OE cir(i) ce << Gk kyri(a) kón (dôma) the Lord's (house); akin to D kerk, G Kirche, ON kirkja. See KIRK]

Websters online
Main Entry: 1church
Pronunciation: \&#712;ch&#601;rch\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit &#347;&#363;ra hero, warrior
Date: before 12th century
1: a building for public and especially Christian worship
2: the clergy or officialdom of a religious body
3often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as a: the whole body of Christians b: denomination <the Presbyterian church> c: congregation
4: a public divine worship <goes to church every Sunday>
5: the clerical profession <considered the church as a possible career>​
 
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I did see a dictionary. This post is totally false! NO, ZERO, NONE pagan Circe!
Random House Webster's
church /cherrch/
n.
1. a building for public Christian worship.
2. a religious service in a church.
3. (cap.)
a. the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
b. any major division of this body; a Christian denomination.
4. a Christian congregation.
5. organized religion as distinguished from the state.
6. (cap.) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
7. the profession of an ecclesiastic.
v.t.
8. to perform a church service for (a woman after childbirth).
[bef. 900; ME chir(i) che, OE cir(i) ce << Gk kyri(a) kón (dôma) the Lord's (house); akin to D kerk, G Kirche, ON kirkja. See KIRK]

Websters online
Main Entry: 1church
Pronunciation: \&#712;ch&#601;rch\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit &#347;&#363;ra hero, warrior
Date: before 12th century
1: a building for public and especially Christian worship
2: the clergy or officialdom of a religious body
3often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as a: the whole body of Christians b: denomination <the Presbyterian church> c: congregation
4: a public divine worship <goes to church every Sunday>
5: the clerical profession <considered the church as a possible career>​

Thank you for providing the proof Der Alter.
 
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I did see a dictionary. This post is totally false! NO, ZERO, NONE pagan Circe!
Random House Webster's
church /cherrch/
n.
1. a building for public Christian worship.
2. a religious service in a church.
3. (cap.)
a. the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
b. any major division of this body; a Christian denomination.
4. a Christian congregation.
5. organized religion as distinguished from the state.
6. (cap.) the Christian Church before the Reformation.
7. the profession of an ecclesiastic.
v.t.
8. to perform a church service for (a woman after childbirth).
[bef. 900; ME chir(i) che, OE cir(i) ce << Gk kyri(a) kón (dôma) the Lord's (house); akin to D kerk, G Kirche, ON kirkja. See KIRK]

Websters online
Main Entry: 1church
Pronunciation: \&#712;ch&#601;rch\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit &#347;&#363;ra hero, warrior
Date: before 12th century
1: a building for public and especially Christian worship
2: the clergy or officialdom of a religious body
3often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as a: the whole body of Christians b: denomination <the Presbyterian church> c: congregation
4: a public divine worship <goes to church every Sunday>
5: the clerical profession <considered the church as a possible career>​

Thank you for providing the proof Der Alter.

Not much of a response when your entire post has been proven false. And have you ever noticed all your supposed proof is from an almost 50 year old encyclopedia which no longer exists and can't be verified? Please do note the etymology of the word, in particular from ME to OE. NOT Gk mytholgy.

And OBTW do you know what the Latin word for dog is? Canis! And the name Rome comes from Romulus one of the orphans whom legend says was raised by a wolf at the site of Rome.
 
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There is no hell.

The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion.

In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave."
Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given.
Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."
Re "There is no hell."

Had you spent time, with a preacher on his death-bed,
gnashing his teeth "i dunno :confused: if i'm going to heaven or hell";
or
had you spent time, with a psychiatrist contemplating suicide, whining "i'm in hell!!";
or
had you spent time, with a severely-burnt victim getting 'tanked', screaming "i'm in hell!"

you might, re tragic emotional-states of "hell" existing, & yes eternally, change your mind.
 
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