There is no hell.

[PreachersWife2004]

I suppose that if a person is not very good at solving a riddle, that it would be best for them to move on to other things. Most people know how to read, and some study what they read. But very few learn to read between the lines.

Riiiight. You keep believing that.

Have a nice day.

 

[GuardianShua]

Whatever you choose to conclude is of your own doing, not ours. Perhaps some of us are tired of reading the same thing over and over and have sought out better discussions.

You say that it is the same thing, and that you have read it. And that is where you are wrong. Is it truly the same thing? Oh well, never mind!

 

[GuardianShua]

The can'trap was set long ago by a canna. I bet they were doing the can'can behind their desk while smoking cannabis. They better be careful or they will end up in the can behind bars, in the belly of the serpent. A can is a can, or is it?

 

[GuardianShua]

Vatican
From the Source:Lucius Ferraris "Papa," art. 2, in his Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica. ("Handy Library"), Vol. 5, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition, column 1823, Latin.

#1. "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God."

#13. "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions."

#18. "As to papal authority, the Pope is as it were God on earth, Sole sovereign of all the faithful of Christ, chief king of kings, having a plentitude of unbroken power, entrusted by the omnipotent God to govern the earthly and heavenly kingdoms."

#30. "The Pope is of so great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws."

1 John 5:6. This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Concluding Remarks
13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us—whatever we ask—we know that we have what we asked of him.

16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

18We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him. 19We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. 20We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true—even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

21Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.

Footnotes:

1. 1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

 

[GuardianShua]

Commandments​

Protestant:First Catholic:Second Hebrew:third
1Pr. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
1Ca. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
1He. I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.


2Pr.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and (keep my commandments).
2Ca.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
2He.Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me; And showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and (keep My commandments).

3Pr.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
3Ca.Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.
3He.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.

4Pr. (Remember) the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
4Ca. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.
4He.(Remember)the sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the sabbath in honor of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt not do any work, neither thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

5Pr.Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
5Ca.Thou shalt not kill.
5He.Honour thy father and thy mother in order that thy days may be prolonged upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

6Pr.Thou shalt not kill.
6Ca.Thou shalt not commit adultery.
6He.Thou shalt not kill.

7Pr.Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7Ca.Thou shalt not steal.
7He.Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8Pr.Thou shalt not steal.
8Ca.Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
8He.Thou shalt not steal.

9Pr.Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9Ca.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife.
9He.Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

10Pr. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
10Ca.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.
10He.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Daniel 7:25. He will think to change times and laws.

 

[MaxP]

Haha I love how he makes grand, sweeping claims about history and whatnot, only to falter when asked for - GASP - proof!

 

[ticker]

MichaelTheeArchAngel...just curious.

I've noticed you're a 4 year veteran in these parts, and was just wondering...is what's happened in this thread in any way representative of what your 4 years here have been comprised of? ...trying day in and day out to convince virtually everybody and their cat that there isn't a hell, or angels?

Wouldn't that get draining? And woud this really be worth your time considering the reaction?

Still...I must give you props for keeping a considerably cool head through all this.

Laters, bro!

 

[GuardianShua]

MichaelTheeArchAngel...just curious.

I've noticed you're a 4 year veteran in these parts, and was just wondering...is what's happened in this thread in any way representative of what your 4 years here have been comprised of? ...trying day in and day out to convince virtually everybody and their cat that there isn't a hell, or angels?

Wouldn't that get draining? And woud this really be worth your time considering the reaction?

Still...I must give you props for keeping a considerably cool head through all this.

Laters, bro!

I also talk about other things. And of course there are things that I am not allowed to talk about. The bottom line is that it is all for the needle in the hay stack. I have noticed that it takes about a decade for the things I talk about to catch on. Change is slow, especially if you have convince yourself of an error is the truth. Re-evaluation is always good for checking up on ones own self. I always say, truth is made known by the reason of the facts.

 

[ticker]

And of course there are things that I am not allowed to talk about.

"Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.

I always say, truth is made known by the reason of the facts.

Truth...from facts?

I always thought it was through revelation that the Truth is made known.

Peace

 

[GuardianShua]

"Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.

Truth...from facts?

I always thought it was through revelation that the Truth is made known.

Peace

Truth does not have to be of Divine origin, it can be a revelation. As you know we have rules on this message board which prevents me from being straight forward. Some times the truth is ugly and offencieve.

 

[Gary51]

"Not allowed"? Watcha mean there? ...sounds a bit sketchy.

CF does not allow free speech.... They only permit one to ask questions within the boundaries that they set.

If their truth is contained within their boundaries, what is there to fear from certain questions? If one sets boundaries, then one's faith is subject to boundaries!

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version)


21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

When one sets boundaries, one is not able to prove all things!

 

[GuardianShua]

CF does not allow free speech.... They only permit one to ask questions within the boundaries that they set.

If their truth is contained within their boundaries, what is there to fear from certain questions? If one sets boundaries, then one's faith is subject to boundaries!

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (King James Version)


21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

When one sets boundaries, one is not able to prove all things!

I think one reason they done that is to prevent some conflict among Christians who are very passionate about some doctrines. Personally I believe that if any doctrine is sound that it will stand the test of time. The only way to perpetuate an error is to keep it from being discussed. And then there is always the problem of human pride. We humans are full of it.

 

[Gary51]

I think one reason they done that is to prevent some conflict among Christians who are very passionate about some doctrines.

There appears to be much conflict going on already within what they allow. So, if their aim is stopping conflict via cenorship, they appear to be failing.

Personally I believe that if any doctrine is sound that it will stand the test of time.

Ummm, 17 hundred years have passed since Nicea... How much time have we got!

The only way to perpetuate an error is to keep it from being discussed.

I can see that!

And then there is always the problem of human pride. We humans are full of it.

Yeah, but some more than others.... Just like love... some have more than others.... And the same can be said for most emotions.

 

[GuardianShua]

There appears to be much conflict going on already within what they allow. So, if their aim is stopping conflict via cenorship, they appear to be failing.

Ummm, 17 hundred years have passed since Nicea... How much time have we got! If you have studied the history of the Judaeo (Judaizing) Christians, then you would know that they were wiped out by the Catholics, and almost none were left alive. But we are soon to see some changes. The time of the end will go beyond what Christians now think.

I can see that!


Yeah, but some more than others.... Just like love... some have more than others.... And the same can be said for most emotions.

My reply is in green.

 

[GuardianShua]

I think their aim is not to censor anything more than they have to.​

 

[GuardianShua]

The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic *halja, meaning "one who covers up or hides something".[3] The word has cognates in related Germanic languages such as Old Frisian helle, hille, Old Saxon hellja, Middle Dutch helle (modern Dutch hel), Old High German helle (Modern German Hölle), and Gothic halja.[3] Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary[3] (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see Gehenna).

The English word hell has been theorized as being derived from Old Norse Hel.[3] Among other sources, the Poetic Edda, compiled from earlier traditional sources in the 13th century, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, provide information regarding the beliefs of the Norse pagans, including a being named Hel, who is described as ruling over an underworld location of the same name.

 

[GuardianShua]

A body with a spirit makes a living soul. A soul consist of both body and spirit. If we were immortal, then there would be no need for a resurrection. If Yahwah did not call us back into being, then we would never live again. The condemned are called back into being in the final Judgment. For the condemned it will be a dreadful day Knowing that their condemnation is about to bring death. There will be exceedingly great mental anguish, for which scripture says there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. The woman will scream like sirens and the men will be panic stricken. The messengers who witness this event will be greatly distressed from the sight of it all. The condemned will die and never rise again, because their punishment is for all eternity. There is no life in hell, because there is no hell, and there is no life for the condemned, because they are dead.

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

After Yahwah kills the wicked, how is it that there will be life in Hell?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Genesis 18:25
Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

After Yahwah kills the wicked, how is it that there will be life in Hell?

I guess they and us will find out at the Final Consummation of the Age

Genesis 18:25 Far be it to Thee! from to do of as thing, this, to put to death a righteous-one with a wicked-one and as righteous one becomes as wicked-one, far be it to Thee! one judging of all of land not? He shall do judgement.

Matthew 13:49 Thus shall it be in the together-finish of the Age.
Shall be coming forth the Messengers and shall be severing/aforiousin <873> (5692) the evil-ones out of midst of the righteous-ones, [Revelation 15]

 

[Gary51]

I guess they and us will find out at the Final Consummation of the Age

There is no need to wait to find out.... The Bible tells us now.

 

[WarriorAngel]

There is no hell. The words in scripture were not correctly translated into English. The joining of the Pagan religion about hell is a Catholic invention.See Holman Bible Dictionary at: http://studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T2696






It was the bias of the translators that have established it in scripture.

The Hebrew word “Sheol” Should have been translated as “grave”.
The Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more than a mistranslation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about half of scriptures as hell, the other half as grave


Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.


Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem.

It is true that our bodies return to the dust, and our spirits go to live with the Father. But what about the condemed? Do they also (go or return) to live with our Father. Or are they cut off from the living? It is true that God will bring the condemed back to life, as a part of their punishment. The word "fire" and other words like it, are often used parabolically to mean judgement. We do not worship a God who is without mercy or who tortures people for all eternity.


John 5.

28. "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29. and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

And that is why Jesus said that both body and spirit could be destroyed in gehenna.


The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again.
The INTERPRETATION "hades or gehenna" is in the K.J.V. You will not find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. Old Testament, however you will find the word "hades" in the N.I.V. New Testament as an INTERPRETATION for "grave."

*Where the worm never dies...
*The fire is never quenched...
*Eternal torment...
*Wailing and gnashing of teeth...
*Father Abraham, let Lazarus give me a drop of water to put out the fire on my tongue.

ALL choice words by Jesus.

And here is a link of youtubes of the visions of many mystic Saints of the Church if you care to peek. But it is a no debate area.

Advice on hell - avoiding it <~