There is no Hell!

[Elife3]

If God said it, does it matter if it's part of a pagan religion? If God originated it, then does it really matter?

 

[PeacaHeaven]

If God said it, does it matter if it's part of a pagan religion? If God originated it, then does it really matter?

I think pagan religions have copied God because Satan knows what is in God's kingdom and how it works. Somehow he tries to make things look like they are false and from someone else?

 

[Nadiine]

Just as another footnote,

Ben's entire post is taken from:
http://tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html

Just thought that credit should be given where credit is due.

Thanks for noting that, yes we should give credit when it's due.

I'd like to note that if this were all true, that hell or Gehenna are "later" concepts jammed into the Bible, then I have to wonder why we have Luke 16:19-32 that explicitly details it at length.
It's also spelled out in Revelation 20. It's not just a matter of insertion of words 4 times... it's explicitely defined and elaborated on.

HOWEVER, PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF THEIR PUNISHMENT TO ENTER HEAVEN IS NOWHERE MENTIONED OR DEFINED ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE.
So even IF Ben's excerpts were the case, HE STILL HAS NO CASE FOR UNIVERSALISM; except that he reads in doctrine where it isn't stated while taking the verse out of its context.

His statements in no way support salvation for all souls after death. At best, we're left with the annihilationism theory again.

 

[Ben12]

Acts 15:14 Declares that he will return again and restore the Tabernacle of David and then he will save the remainder of mankind

The Tabernacle of David is for it is mention hundreds of times in the Old Testament and especially in the Book of Revelations. Zion was the natural home of King David who is a type of Christ in Natural Jerusalem. Mt Zion was the head of natural Kingdom; just as Spiritual Mt Zion is the Spiritual high place of Christ in the book of Revelation. David did not need to go to a priest; let alone a high priest to visit the Ark (or the glory of God) it was in a tent or tabernacle on his back porch at Mt Zion. This is a beautiful type which tells us myriads of what God is tying to tell us in the Spirit of the Word.

God is speaking in a very symbolic language here; and the only true answer is not by some dead church leader; but by God’s Spirit with in you. What may I ask is spiritual to you? Going to church, singing, praying? What is spiritual to me is hearing what God is saying within.

The Holy Spirit is the only way scripture declares to us how to find truth; it says nothing about Lutheranism. The Holy Spirit is Devine part of God with in each one of us capable of speaking, loving, reproving, teaching, convicting and transforming; one that will lead and guide us into all truth. Have you ever heard God’s Spirit and if you have you ever followed its leading.

1 Corin 2:9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"[2] -- 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. 11The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[3] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:



Acts 15:17 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

Acts 15: 17 Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE) Then all the other people will find God, even those who are not Jews but who belong to me. So says the Lord, who is doing all these things."


Acts 15:17 (The Message) After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house;
I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new
So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to,
All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing.
"God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

Eternalhellest will everything in their power to promote the pagan doctrine of eternal torment; it is their foundation for their belief; not the Good News of Salvation for the whole earth. They frankly do not care if their mother, brother sister or child will end up in this pagan inspired doctrine of Damnation that is suppose to torment your love ones for ever and ever. They declare they Bible say it; so that makes it truth; not digging beyond their own bias. All that matter to them is they preach the exact torment their little social clubs. The Bible speaks of two churches; the false church (Baby lon); the true Church is actively seeking asking an knocking for the reality of scripture, Check out the Tabernacle of David; this does not fit their doctrines of eternal torture; They try to tell you this has to do with the millennial kingdom or just the Jews; but it just does not add up to God’s deepness.

 

[Ben12]

I think pagan religions have copied God because Satan knows what is in God's kingdom and how it works. Somehow he tries to make things look like they are false and from someone else?

If you dig a bit you will see Christianity has been coping Pagan religion; look at the word which was mistranslated to Easter in the KJB it comes from the female goddess connected to Moab. How pagan can you get? Did you know the word hell is not in the original language of the Bible; most new Bibles do not even put the word in their Bibles.

 

[PeacaHeaven]

If you dig a bit you will see Christianity has been coping Pagan religion; look at the word which was mistranslated to Easter in the KJB it comes from the female goddess connected to Moab. How pagan can you get? Did you know the word hell is not in the original language of the Bible; most new Bibles do not even put the word in their Bibles.

I don't know where to begin with this. As far as hell not being the bible I will quote a recent post that I think is good rebuttal to hell not existing.

I'd like to note that if this were all true, that hell or Gehenna are "later" concepts jammed into the Bible, then I have to wonder why we have Luke 16:19-32 that explicitly details it at length.
It's also spelled out in Revelation 20. It's not just a matter of insertion of words 4 times... it's explicitely defined and elaborated on.

HOWEVER, PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF THEIR PUNISHMENT TO ENTER HEAVEN IS NOWHERE MENTIONED OR DEFINED ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE.
So even IF Ben's excerpts were the case, HE STILL HAS NO CASE FOR UNIVERSALISM; except that he reads in doctrine where it isn't stated while taking the verse out of its context.

His statements in no way support salvation for all souls after death. At best, we're left with the annihilationism theory again.

Can you tell me what verse the word Easter is in? I have never read Easter in the KJV Bible before.
And can I ask which new bible versions you are referring to? I'm asking you this because I've heard information about new bibles today that are leaving out things that shouldn't be left out to make them more politically correct and not offend people.
Similar to what is being changed in the history books in schools.
thank you,

 

[GuardianShua]

I don't know where to begin with this. As far as hell not being the bible I will quote a recent post that I think is good rebuttal to hell not existing.


Can you tell me what verse the word Easter is in? I have never read Easter in the KJV Bible before.
And can I ask which new bible versions you are referring to? I'm asking you this because I've heard information about new bibles today that are leaving out things that shouldn't be left out to make them more politically correct and not offend people.
Similar to what is being changed in the history books in schools.
thank you,

Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

 

[GuardianShua]

I don't know where to begin with this. As far as hell not being the bible I will quote a recent post that I think is good rebuttal to hell not existing.


Can you tell me what verse the word Easter is in? I have never read Easter in the KJV Bible before.
And can I ask which new bible versions you are referring to? I'm asking you this because I've heard information about new bibles today that are leaving out things that shouldn't be left out to make them more politically correct and not offend people.
Similar to what is being changed in the history books in schools.
thank you,

Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

 

[GuardianShua]

I don't know where to begin with this. As far as hell not being the bible I will quote a recent post that I think is good rebuttal to hell not existing.


Can you tell me what verse the word Easter is in? I have never read Easter in the KJV Bible before.
And can I ask which new bible versions you are referring to? I'm asking you this because I've heard information about new bibles today that are leaving out things that shouldn't be left out to make them more politically correct and not offend people.
Similar to what is being changed in the history books in schools.
thank you,

Acts 12:4
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

 

[Ben12]

I don't know where to begin with this. As far as hell not being the bible I will quote a recent post that I think is good rebuttal to hell not existing.


Can you tell me what verse the word Easter is in? I have never read Easter in the KJV Bible before.
And can I ask which new bible versions you are referring to? I'm asking you this because I've heard information about new bibles today that are leaving out things that shouldn't be left out to make them more politically correct and not offend people.
Similar to what is being changed in the history books in schools.
thank you,

I see the verse was post all ready. It is not a matter of being politically correct; the word is not in the original language. There are four words misinterpeted hell. Now there is a Lake of Fire and that is scritural; but it is not erenal.

Here is a list of Bibles and their useage of hell.
Number of times "Hell" appears the in text in English Bible Translations



Bible Translations
Old Testament
New Testament
Total
"Authorized" King James Version
31
23
54
New King James Version
19
13
32
American Standard Version
0
13
13
New American Standard Bible
0
13
13
Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
New Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
Revised English Bible
0
13
13
New Living Translation
0
13
13
Amplified
0
13
13
New International Version (best-selling English Bible)
0
14
14
Darby
0
12
12
New Century Version
0
12
12
Wesley's New Testament (1755)

0
0
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)

0
0
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)

0
0
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
0
0
0
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)

0
0
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
0
0
0
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
0
0
0
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)

0
0
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
0

0
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)

0
0
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)

0
0
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)

0
0
Western N.T. (1926)

0
0
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)

0
0
Concordant Literal NT (1983)

0
0
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)

0
0
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)

0
0
New American Bible (1970)
0
0
0
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
0
0
0
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
0

0
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)

0
0
Christian Bible (1991)
0
0
0
World English Bible (in progress)
0
0
0
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
0
0
0
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)**

0
0
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)**

0
0



(* The KJV and the NKJV are the only two of the major translations in the list above to use "Hell" in the Old Testament. Even the NKJV which was only supposed to modernize the English of the traditional "Authorized Version," the KJV, took a dozen Hell references out. (2 Sam 26:6, Job 11:8, Job 26:6, Ps 16:10, Ps 18:5, Ps 26:13, Ps 116:3. Is 5:14, Is 28:15, Is 57:9, Jonah 2:2). It seems even in the King James Tradition, the use of the word "Hell" is decreasing. The NKJV, RSV, ASV, NRSV, and NASB are all technically revisions of the original King James Bible. From 54 times to 32 and then to 12 or 13 times--who knows--maybe the next revision will bring it in line with the many Bibles which have eliminated the pagan word Hell all together.)
** A note about the Parallel Interlinears. I am referring to the word-for-word translations beneath the Greek in these works, NOT the English versions which are also in these reference works. Obviously the versions in these books (NIV, NASB, and KJV) contain the word Hell as many times as they normally would.
There are other translations like the Companion Bible King James Version, American Standard Version (1901), the Newberry Reference Bible (Still published by Kregal Publications), and the Riverside New Testament by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible. Please note that the above list of Bibles which do NOT contain the word Hell in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.

​

 

[Ben12]

There are other translations like the Companion Bible King James Version, American Standard Version (1901), the Newberry Reference Bible (Still published by Kregal Publications), and the Riverside New Testament by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible. I have a list of Bibles which show the translations that contain the word Hell as well as the ones that don’t in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.

​

You are on the right track but actually the word is not in the Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic the language the Bible was written in; but it comes from an Angle Saxon word “hel” meaning to bury. It is more then a mis-translation it a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to in introduce the Teutonic pagan word

Tar-ta-rus (tart rs) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1 an infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils not people. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a) the home of the dead, beneath the earth b) the god of the underworld 2 Bible the state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (eol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] a place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead Note: translated in KJV about haft of scriptures as hell, the other haft as grave
Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the gospel. This is the word the fundamental preachers love to use to burn up the sinner. They are the first to yell foul if something does not fit in context; BUT: Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem; a place of constant burning of refuge. Those who go to Gehenna are not sinners of the world; but are sinners of God’s people. (how precious is this a type of purification outside of God’s holy city. All things that are not of God will be purified bf God’s holy judgment. This word is used not for sinner, murders or liars; it is used with the word “BROTHER”.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell (Gehenna) fire.​

​

Gehenna is not physical flames, even though Gehenna is the garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. Gehenna Judgment is actually spiritual in nature, it is the reaping of what Isreal had sown by killing the prophets and their children in the fire to Molech and Baal at Topheth and in the Valley of Ben Hiddom (later called Gehenna). God warned that He is the only God, there is no other like Him.

 

[DeanM]

I see the verse was post all ready. It is not a matter of being politically correct; the word is not in the original language. There are four words misinterpeted hell. Now there is a Lake of Fire and that is scritural; but it is not erenal.

Here is a list of Bibles and their useage of hell.
Number of times "Hell" appears the in text in English Bible Translations



Bible Translations
Old Testament
New Testament
Total
"Authorized" King James Version
31
23
54
New King James Version
19
13
32
American Standard Version
0
13
13
New American Standard Bible
0
13
13
Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
New Revised Standard Version
0
12
12
Revised English Bible
0
13
13
New Living Translation
0
13
13
Amplified
0
13
13
New International Version (best-selling English Bible)
0
14
14
Darby
0
12
12
New Century Version
0
12
12
Wesley's New Testament (1755)

0
0
Scarlett's N.T. (1798)

0
0
The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)

0
0
Young's Literal Translation (1891)
0
0
0
Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)

0
0
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)
0
0
0
Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)
0
0
0
Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)

0
0
Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)
0

0
Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)

0
0
The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)

0
0
Hanson's New Covenant (1884)

0
0
Western N.T. (1926)

0
0
NT of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)

0
0
Concordant Literal NT (1983)

0
0
The N.T., A Translation (Clementson, 1938)

0
0
Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)

0
0
New American Bible (1970)
0
0
0
Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976)
0
0
0
Tanakh, The Holy Scriptures, Old Testament (1985)
0

0
The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)

0
0
Christian Bible (1991)
0
0
0
World English Bible (in progress)
0
0
0
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)
0
0
0
Zondervan Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1975)**

0
0
Int. NASB-NIV Parallel N.T. in Greek and English (1993)**

0
0



(* The KJV and the NKJV are the only two of the major translations in the list above to use "Hell" in the Old Testament. Even the NKJV which was only supposed to modernize the English of the traditional "Authorized Version," the KJV, took a dozen Hell references out. (2 Sam 26:6, Job 11:8, Job 26:6, Ps 16:10, Ps 18:5, Ps 26:13, Ps 116:3. Is 5:14, Is 28:15, Is 57:9, Jonah 2:2). It seems even in the King James Tradition, the use of the word "Hell" is decreasing. The NKJV, RSV, ASV, NRSV, and NASB are all technically revisions of the original King James Bible. From 54 times to 32 and then to 12 or 13 times--who knows--maybe the next revision will bring it in line with the many Bibles which have eliminated the pagan word Hell all together.)
** A note about the Parallel Interlinears. I am referring to the word-for-word translations beneath the Greek in these works, NOT the English versions which are also in these reference works. Obviously the versions in these books (NIV, NASB, and KJV) contain the word Hell as many times as they normally would.
There are other translations like the Companion Bible King James Version, American Standard Version (1901), the Newberry Reference Bible (Still published by Kregal Publications), and the Riverside New Testament by Ballantine (1934) which contain footnotes, marginal readings and appendages which point out that several key Greek and Hebrew words regarding Hell have been MIStranslated by such Bible versions as the King James Bible. Please note that the above list of Bibles which do NOT contain the word Hell in the text is NOT exhaustive--we are discovering more translations all the time in which the translators did not feel justified in using the Teutonic pagan word Hell to translate the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek words Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus.

​

As a footnote, Ben's information was copied from:

http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/HellStudy/HellChart.html

Just to give credit where credit is due.

 

[GuardianShua]

Did you say brains or trains, I just what to be sure. Ha, ha.

 

[Nadiine]

I just went thru a long list of the articles & pages offered on the site Ben's using - and its promoting UNIVERSALISM.

I again ask this question; IF EVERYONE MAKES IT INTO HEAVEN IN THE END ANYWAYS, THEN WHO THE HECK CARES IF THIS INFORMATION IS RIGHT OR NOT!
WHY HAVE A WEBSITE TO "SET PEOPLE STRAIGHT" ABOUT WHAT IS "TRUE" ABOUT GOD AND HEAVEN AND ANYTHING ELSE, IF YOU ALL END UP THERE ANYWAYS?

Does anybody not see the stupidity of trying to get everyone the TRUTH when they can live any way they want and get to the same destination???
(IN THE MEANTIME HAVING FUN IN THEIR SIN ALL ALONG THE MERRY WAY?)???????????????

Nobody promoting universalism seems to grasp the futility in truth and righteousness if you all end up in the same place anyways.
It's a matter of choosing which life is more fun or more of a priority~ besides, not everyone is even assured the Bible God is the right one; not enough to risk foregoing life's pleasures if it's the wrong God!

 

[Nadiine]

Nice info offered on this page:
http://www.ovrlnd.com/Universalism/aionios.html


"Universalists all promote that unsaved sinful man can come into a state of salvation in the after life. Yet this belief seemingly directly conflicts with Scripture"


http://www.ovrlnd.com/Teaching/hell.html

Here's a whole page on more issues about Hell & many other false doctrines being promoted as truth
http://www.ovrlnd.com/index.shtml#anchor27678

 

[Elife3]

Nice info offered on this page:
http://www.ovrlnd.com/Universalism/aionios.html


"Universalists all promote that unsaved sinful man can come into a state of salvation in the after life. Yet this belief seemingly directly conflicts with Scripture"

I agree.

 

[Nadiine]

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Teaching/antichristianism.html

This page is full of great info on how false teachers always seek to undermine the BIBLES WE HAVE - once they can (they THINK they can) remove our foundations, THEY GO IN TO REINSTITUTE THE FALSE DOCTRINES to refute the truth we have.

***WHO DECIDES THAT THEIR 'BIBLES' ARE THE RIGHT ONES BY THE WAY???***

Then, pay close attn. to the other teachings these same people promote... DON'T GO TO CHURCH - all churches are false, etc etc. Most all they teach is unorthodox and goes against the principles & guidelines laid out in scripture for us.

Many of them deny Christ's Deity, the Trinity, The Jewish people/Israel and many other central teachings of Christianity.

the red flags should be evident. (they are to me!)

 

[Zecryphon]

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Teaching/antichristianism.html

This page is full of great info on how false teachers always seek to undermine the BIBLES WE HAVE - once they can (they THINK they can) remove our foundations, THEY GO IN TO REINSTITUTE THE FALSE DOCTRINES to refute the truth we have.

***WHO DECIDES THAT THEIR 'BIBLES' ARE THE RIGHT ONES BY THE WAY???***

Then, pay close attn. to the other teachings these same people promote... DON'T GO TO CHURCH - all churches are false, etc etc. Most all they teach is unorthodox and goes against the principles & guidelines laid out in scripture for us.

Many of them deny Christ's Deity, the Trinity, The Jewish people/Israel and many other central teachings of Christianity.

the red flags should be evident. (they are to me!)

The red flags are evident to me as well. Ben12 is not to be trusted and his messages promote an idea of divide and conquer. If he can get people to stop reading their Bibles in a certain way, in this case literally in any area, then he is attacking a form of communication between God and man. If he can get people to stop going to church because of a few problems within the church then he has divided the corporate assembly. Once people are divided his lies and false doctrines can be presented in a more one-on-one scenario and since there is no one to correct these false teachings the Christian is more susceptible to the lies of the devil. Ben rails against tradition as if all traditions are evil and of the devil, yet here are two places where the keeping and practicing of traditions is encouraged.

1 Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 1Co 11:2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

Here is another one as well.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 2Th 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 2Th 2:17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Ben has said that tradition is a tool of man and has always been condemned. According to the verses above, this is simply not true. So here we have more lies and blatantly false information from Ben12, all for the purpose of promoting his anti-church bias and to get people to follow him down the road to ruin. An interesting thing to note is that he identifies himself as a Pentacostal. An un-churched Pentacostal, but a Pentacostal nonetheless. Why would he associate himself with any denomination, since all those are of the devil and never commanded by God? It's clear even he doesn't buy into his own claims, but expects everyone else to. Another thing he rails against are creeds. He apaprently doesn't know that the creeds came from the scriptures, not the other way around. Take the Apostle's Creed for example. Every statement made there is from God's written word, the Bible. The Creeds are scriptural, but they are not scripture and are never presented as such. They are statements of faith and a way of letting other people know exactly what you believe. That's it. They are not evil and are beneficial. Reciting a creed is a way of proclaiming your belief in Christ before God. What's wrong with that?

 

[GuardianShua]

http://www.ovrlnd.com/Teaching/antichristianism.html

This page is full of great info on how false teachers always seek to undermine the BIBLES WE HAVE - once they can (they THINK they can) remove our foundations, THEY GO IN TO REINSTITUTE THE FALSE DOCTRINES to refute the truth we have.

***WHO DECIDES THAT THEIR 'BIBLES' ARE THE RIGHT ONES BY THE WAY???***

Then, pay close attn. to the other teachings these same people promote... DON'T GO TO CHURCH - all churches are false, etc etc. Most all they teach is unorthodox and goes against the principles & guidelines laid out in scripture for us.

Many of them deny Christ's Deity, the Trinity, The Jewish people/Israel and many other central teachings of Christianity.

the red flags should be evident. (they are to me!)

I do not promote universalism, and as for errors in translation, Im only warning people how we are divided by doctrine, that was added by secret societies. See Jude 4. The writting of history goes to the victor.

 

[Nadiine]

The red flags are evident to me as well. Ben12 is not to be trusted and his messages promote an idea of divide and conquer. If he can get people to stop reading their Bibles in a certain way, in this case literally in any area, then he is attacking a form of communication between God and man. If he can get people to stop going to church because of a few problems within the church then he has divided the corporate assembly. Once people are divided his lies and false doctrines can be presented in a more one-on-one scenario and since there is no one to correct these false teachings the Christian is more susceptible to the lies of the devil. Ben rails against tradition as if all traditions are evil and of the devil, yet here are two places where the keeping and practicing of traditions is encouraged.

1 Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 1Co 11:2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

Here is another one as well.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 2Th 2:16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 2Th 2:17 comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Ben has said that tradition is a tool of man and has always been condemned. According to the verses above, this is simply not true. So here we have more lies and blatantly false information from Ben12, all for the purpose of promoting his anti-church bias and to get people to follow him down the road to ruin. An interesting thing to note is that he identifies himself as a Pentacostal. An un-churched Pentacostal, but a Pentacostal nonetheless. Why would he associate himself with any denomination, since all those are of the devil and never commanded by God? It's clear even he doesn't buy into his own claims, but expects everyone else to. Another thing he rails against are creeds. He apaprently doesn't know that the creeds came from the scriptures, not the other way around. Take the Apostle's Creed for example. Every statement made there is from God's written word, the Bible. The Creeds are scriptural, but they are not scripture and are never presented as such. They are statements of faith and a way of letting other people know exactly what you believe. That's it. They are not evil and are beneficial. Reciting a creed is a way of proclaiming your belief in Christ before God. What's wrong with that?

I've studied 'tradition', the NT promotes us to continue in the traditions God ordained... by the by, COMMUNION & BAPTISM are "traditions" taught to us to continue in too.
Is that now evil?

I'm very leary of people coming in to shred the foundations we have in order to promote their own truth; while showing rebellion to what's already CLEARLY taught throughout it.

Luckily for us, Zechryphon, even if we're all wrong, we still get into heaven anyways - so breathe a sigh of relief. So ben shouldn't really worry about our error or leading others into it.... should he?