There is no Hell!

[Ben12]

More doom and gloom; forget the good news for the billions and billions; Jesus blood was just not good enough?

INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END: Ezekiel 21:25.
Iniquity is lawlessness, or to operate outside of God's revealed will.
Ephesians 1:9 & 10 says, "God has allowed us to know the secret of His plan and it is this: he purposes in His sovereign will that all human history will be consummated in Christ, that everything that exists in the heavens or on earth shall find its perfection and fulfilment in Him." God said it - that settle it. All of creation is going to be totally, irrevocably and gloriously reconciled and made perfect.

II Timothy 3:1 says, "In the last days perilous times will come." But most people fail to read on to the ninth verse that says, "But in the long run they will not get very far for their folly shall be manifested to all men." (Amplified version). Perilous times will only prevail as long as God wants to use them to accomplish something better that they prevailed. Eventually all evil will self-destruct, but all good will perpetuate itself.

God either must have had some glorious purpose in mind for all creation when he allowed Adam to fall into sin, or it was the most profound blunder of all time. God is sovereign and He is totally victorious. He has not, indeed he cannot, make opposing will so strong that it can defeat His desire to bring it into positive blessing.

Contrary to popular belief, God intended for Adam to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. he wanted Adam to violate His revealed will to accomplish something better for mankind than if he had not violated it. Isaiah 45:7 tells us that God accepts responsibility for all the evil that exists. Evil is only perverted good, therefore God can and will change all evil into something good for everyone.

OVERFLOW WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS:

"The completion decreed shall overflow with righteousness. For the Lord god of hosts shall make the completion which he has determined, in the midst of all the land."
All of God's completions end in righteousness because he always brings iniquity to an end. Traditional Christian theology teaches that the end for most people will be writing torment in a cesspool of fire where they will suffer forever with an asbestos like body that doesn't burn up. If this is what you believe, I want to change your mind about what the Word of God says about this matter. It tells us that God's thoughts toward mankind are not thoughts of evil calamity, but of glorious expectation for their final outcome.

The Word of God tells us that when God is finished with his purpose for the ages and time has run its course, then the whole creation will be delivered from the tyranny of change and decay into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Isaiah 14:24 says, "The Lord of hosts has sworn, surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and As I have purposed, so shall it stand." Romans 9:28 says, "He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness, because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

When God is finished with His purpose for allowing iniquity, it will be brought to a conclusion quickly, and His righteousness will then prevail everywhere. Isaiah 28:21 says, "The Lord shall rise up that He might do His work and bring to pass His act." When we talk about "getting our act together," we need to realize that God is going to get His act together too! Verse 22 continues, "For I have heard of His completion that He has determined for the whole earth." God's act of completion is not just for a few, it's for the entire earth and it will end in righteousness for ALL; that's what God has promised.
Our willing surrender to God's will is not accomplished by us. It is a process that is all of God.

God says, "I will...and they shall..." God doesn't just know when we will surrender, He causes us to do it. It's because He is the cause that He can confidently say, "They will surrender." It's God all the way
Ray Prinzing

 

[Ben12]

The whole thing reminds me of the verse which says, "Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." When? When every heart is made willing! There is no connotation or undertone here of God forcing these to just mouth words. Instead there is the implication that it is done in a heartfelt, even worshipful attitude. They have been made willing. Many eternalists like to say that this verse simply means that God will force these knees to bow and these tongues to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Now these are the same people who say that because man has a "free will" God will not force him to accept Jesus Christ. But here they have God forcing men to worship Him . . . to the glory of God? "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high one that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited" --Isaiah 24:21,22.

 

[Nadiine]

More doom and gloom; forget the good news for the billions and billions; Jesus blood was just not good enough?

We claim His blood is more than sufficient- YOU'RE JUST MAKING GOD A CARPET FOR ANYONE TO WALK ALL OVER - AS IF YOU CAN REJECT HIS SON AND CHOOSE TO LIVE IN SIN, PLUS GET HIS BLESSING OF ETERNAL LIFE IN HIS KINGDOM despite your choice here to rebel.
His blood removes sin - the sins of those who REPENT ONLY.

Mat. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(please show me where Jesus goes on to explain when and how these folks get let in later - Jesus should have also added this important fact if it's the case, don't you think?!)
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INIQUITY SHALL HAVE AN END: Ezekiel 21:25.
Iniquity is lawlessness, or to operate outside of God's revealed will.

YES, INIQUITY WILL HAVE AN END!!! And if you read the above verses of those who live in that iniquity, THEY DON'T GET INTO THE KINGDOM.
Iniquity finally ends: WHEN GOD SENDS SIN AND UNREPENTANT SINNERS TO GEHENNA TO BE CONTAINED FOREVER, so that the Saints with God can live eternally in a fully restored and renewed earth with no sin to corrupt it any longer. (the 2nd death).

YES SIN ENDS - BCUZ GOD CONTAINS IT FOREVER ; away from us who willfully chose righteousness and His blood to remit our sins.
It's real simple Ben - you twist scripture meanings to suit your theories.

 

[Ben12]

Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Eternal in its real sense means without beginning and without end; man has a beginning; so how can he be truly an eternal being. God deals with man by ages. Man was created in God’s image; but he fell; man will return to that place of being made in God’s image either in this life or latter.

A THOROUGH CHANGE! THAT is what I mean by ... RECONCILIATION! We have possessed "in part" the life of God, and we have thrilled to its surgings within us, and the transformations wrought, but we must have the WHOLE, being thoroughly changed into His same image. What a tremendous process, for man is not a noble ruin, but he is an utter ruin of what was once a noble nature. God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion..." But, alas, how the glory has grown dim, how the fine gold has tarnished! The crown has fallen from man's head. His kingly nature is deformed, and the image of God is destroyed. Thus we see that so little remains in the unregenerated man of that copious flow of love and life and light and righteousness and power which at first poured forth from man to the creation.

How can it be restored? "And, having made peace through the blood Of His cross, by Him to RECONCILE (THOROUGHLY CHANGE) all things unto Himself." With the climax of the cross bringing final death to the carnal mind, mankind will emerge out of the barren tomb as a NEW CREATION. If man is to be restored to the image of the all-loving God, reconciled, thoroughly changed and unified INTO HIM, it will only be done by God Himself. A little child can take an egg in his hand and crush it. All of the skill of all of the men in all of the world, all of their wisdom and all of the power that can split the atom, and all of the technology that can place men on the moon, all these combined CANNOT

RESTORE THAT EGG TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. How much less can man, by his own strength or wisdom, restore the destroyed image of God in his being unto that which God originally made him to be? Nothing will suffice but a thorough change, a new creation, a reconciliation wrought by God Himself. "Therefore if any man be in Christ He is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who HAS RECONCILED US to Himself" (II Cor. 5:17-18).

If such be not the end of God's great plan of the ages then Calvary is a failure and redemption a farce. Current so-called "orthodox" theology incorporates into its system belief in the superior power of Satan, the deathlessness of sin, the indestructibility of error, and the permanence of evil. The doctrines of the harlot church system teach that since sin and death have entered upon the scene in God's universe, they have come never to go out again, unconquerable, ineradicable, endless. Charles Schmitt has asked the burning question:

"Is God, who is sovereign Lord, destined to possess about 3% of all the billions who have sprung from His creative hand? Shall the absolute majority of all these created beings perpetuate hate and blasphemy against their blessed Creator throughout an endless eternity? Is Jesus, who died effecting the death blow to all sin and to all the works of Satan (I Jn.3:8) 8 The one who commits sin is of the Devil, for the Devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God (A) was revealed (B) for this purpose: to destroy the Devil's works.
destined to reign in a universe where sin shall exist in staggering proportions, and even as some purport, in increasing proportions throughout all eternity? The counsels of God, according to Sacred Scripture, have declared an emphatic NO! Through the consuming fires of God's holy Love (Heb. 12:29) (Message) 28-29Do you see what we've got? An unshakable kingdom! And do you see how thankful we must be? Not only thankful, but brimming with worship, deeply reverent before God. For God is not an indifferent bystander. He's actively cleaning house, torching all that needs to burn, and he won't quit until it's all cleansed. God himself is Fire!God has deigned to cause all men everywhere eventually to drop the sword of proud rebellion and willingly acclaim the Lordship of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that to the glory of God (Phil. 2:10-11)! Have we hereby done despite to the justice and holiness of God? No, unlike those who hold the opposing view, we have rather fully satisfied it against all sin and rebellion!

Have we hereby maligned the sovereign love and the mercy of God? No, we have rather upheld it in its infinite scope!"

 

[Ben12]

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We claim His blood is more than sufficient- YOU'RE JUST MAKING GOD A CARPET FOR ANYONE TO WALK ALL OVER - AS IF YOU CAN REJECT HIS SON AND CHOOSE TO LIVE IN SIN, PLUS GET HIS BLESSING OF ETERNAL LIFE IN HIS KINGDOM despite your choice here to rebel.
His blood removes sin - the sins of those who REPENT ONLY.

Mat. 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(please show me where Jesus goes on to explain when and how these folks get let in later - Jesus should have also added this important fact if it's the case, don't you think?!)
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YES, INIQUITY WILL HAVE AN END!!! And if you read the above verses of those who live in that iniquity, THEY DON'T GET INTO THE KINGDOM.
Iniquity finally ends: WHEN GOD SENDS SIN AND UNREPENTANT SINNERS TO GEHENNA TO BE CONTAINED FOREVER, so that the Saints with God can live eternally in a fully restored and renewed earth with no sin to corrupt it any longer. (the 2nd death).

YES SIN ENDS - BCUZ GOD CONTAINS IT FOREVER ; away from us who willfully chose righteousness and His blood to remit our sins.
It's real simple Ben - you twist scripture meanings to suit your theories.

Show me where Gehenna is aplace for sinners; it is speaking to us; the Jews, not the sinner.

You make the blood of Jesus worthless by your doctrine of damnations; without power, with out grace. It will be Jesus blood that will annihilate sin, but not the people.

THERE IS A CHOICE VINE! The New Covenant, of which Jesus Christ is the Mediator, yea, the Guarantee. Of Him it is written, "He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second." (Hebrews 10:9). He truly RODE OUT THE OLD, fulfilled it, and then HIS WALK was in the new, of which we also read that HE IS "The Way, The Truth, and The Life." And then we have the glorious promise that "As in (Greek, in, with, by) Adam all die, even so in (in, with, by) Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order." (1 Corinthians 15:22-23). RP

EACH IN HIS OWN RANK:
"God's love will not be satisfied until everyone has been fully transformed so that they return to Him the same quality of love with which He gives us. The patience of God's love never runs out. The day of His full satisfaction will come and He will not stop loving until it does.
When God has finished His processings, everyone will have reached the full potential for which they were created, and everyone will have a share in His positive blessings. 1 Corinthians 15:22 & 23 says, "As in Adam all died, even so in Christ shall all be made alive - but every man in his own order." Christian Babylon admits that we all died in Adam, but they limit the all being made alive to those who believe as they do. They do not recognize the fact that it is God's responsibility to reveal Himself to you and prove Himself to you so that you will believe in Him. None of us can believe in Him until He causes us to, and we will all believe in Him when He wants us to - each of us in our own order. We don't loan our new car to a stranger. Neither do we trust our lives to God before we know what He is really like.
Don't condemn people for not trusting God. Many people cannot trust in God because they have been taught a false concept of God. People will learn what God is really like when He wants them to know it, and when God reveals Himself to them personally, they will not be able`to help but love Him. God said, "I was found by a people that sought me not." According to His own timing for each individual, God will draw everyone to Christ to willingly submit to them as their Lord - everyone who Is on earth and everyone who is in the heavens. THIS IS GOD'S MERCIFUL PURPOSE. The Greek word for God means "PLACER." Through a unique set of processings God is going to place everyone exactly where He wants them so they can enjoy the benefits of His special purpose for them. Christendom teaches us to be need-centered instead of God-centered. Many people at the pool of Bethesda "needed" to be healed, but Jesus knew that God only wanted to heal one of them at that specific time. God will meet every need when HE wants it met. Christ is the firstborn from the dead THAT IN ALL HE MAY HAVE THE PREEMINENCE. Colossians 1:18.

 

[Nadiine]

Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

GOD HELP YOU BEN!

both resurrect for judgment; some will resurrect to ETERNAL LIFE, OTHERS TO THE 2ND DEATH! ALL SOULS ARE ETERNAL, ALL SOULS ARE HIS TO JUDGE AND SENTENCE according to the deeds done while in the body!
(why else are there 2 separate judgments? Bema Seat for saints, White throne for the unsaved) > <

Lost resurrecting:

Rev. 20:
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. ​

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.​

Of course they both resurrect. OY VEY.

 

[drstevej]

The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion. In the K.J.V. of the Old Testament the Hebrew word sheol means "grave." Also other words are not translated, but the interpretation "Hell" is given. Thats why in the N.I.V. you dont see the word Hell in the Old testament. The reason you see the word Hell in the new testament, is because it was introduced into scripture by the Catholic Church. However, there is death of the body and spirit. Our bodies are mortal, and our spirits are mortal. And if God never called us back into being, we would never live again. And where Jesus said: have you not heared, you are gods:/// That is based upon the promise of believing that Jesus is the way to the truth and life: By the way, it is hidden in scripture that God is Truth and Life. Also we must keep Gods commandments because they were not done away with. It was Moses laws that were written in stone by Joshua that were done away with. Dont forget the bible uses many parables.

 

[Ben12]

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"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead" (2 Cor. 5:14). How can one who is dead find God? Impossible! Why should Paul connect the love of Christ with the fact that ALL WERE DEAD? Simply because it is the love of God in the Christ which is accomplishing this work, in His sovereign way, of bringing the whole world back to life and to God. Again we read in Eph. 2:12 "That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world." Ah. this is really a desperate situation And all mankind was in a place like that. All of us were absolutely dead to God and without God in the world. One of the most enlightening passages along this line is found in Jn. 1: IO. "He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT." How can anyone seek after the Lord if they don't know Him? How clear that mankind was in a dilemma. We could not direct our own steps or order our way before the Lord. We were without God and we were dead. And now John declares that Jesus came and walked in the midst of the people He had created, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW HIM! What chance did men have to return to God EXCEPT GOD HELP THEM?
The prophet Jeremiah declared, "O Lord, I know that the WAY OF MAN IS NOT IN HIMSELF; IT IS NOT IN MAN THAT WALKETH TO DIRECT HIS STEPS" (Jer. 10:23). God had been saying through the prophet that His people were scattered, His pastors had become brutish and His tabernacle was destroyed, so it was obvious that the way of man is not in himself. This being true, man cannot direct his steps or set his pathway. This is the condition in which God began His redemptive work with man. If it was not in us to direct our steps, then we could not direct our steps back to God. This ability was not a part of the make-up of man. In the beginning the first man deliberately, and according to the plan of God, directed his steps away from God and, hopelessly lost, man has walked that way ever since. Mankind was made blind and couldn't see his way back to God, even though, as Paul said to the Athenians, surely God is not far from any one of us. How we thank God that He sent one Man into this world who did know the way hack to the Father! This Man knew how to order His own step, and also how to order our steps, when we could not direct them ourselves. We can see it so plainly in a little child. Even after the child learns to walk, it does not know where or how to walk to keep out of danger and harm. Its way must be directed by an adult. Without any fear it would run onto a highway filled with speeding cars. It does not know how to order its way. Just so, mankind does not know how to direct its way!
"For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all" (Rom. 11:32). "Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience (the) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall (the) many be made righteous" (Rom. 5:18-19). "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order" (I Cor. 15:21-23). It would be a most beautiful thing if all the saints of God could have an open vision that would enable them to understand the simple and obvious truth that if the first Adam could do something which the last Adam could not undo, then the first Adam had more power than the last Adam. In other words, if Adam could put ten people into sin and death, and the Christ could take only nine out, then Adam would have greater influence and power than the Christ. But whether we believe it or not, ALL POWER HAS BEEN GIVEN UNTO THE CHRIST.
With the foregoing truth in mind let us read a most remarkable and significant statement in Jn. 12:31. "NOW is the judgment of this world." What a volume of truth is contained in those few short words! The word "judgment" literally means A DECISION. We know that any judgment is a decision. Jesus was saying that now is THE DECISION of this world, or now is the time the world is going to decide what it is going to do. At the time He uttered these words Jesus was preparing to be sacrificed on behalf of the people of the world. He came to taste death for every man. He was speaking just prior to His crucifixion and the world was soon to make a momentous decision. The world would decide just what it would do with the Christ. It should be clear to every honest heart that the world at that or any other time, WAS NOT CAPABLE OF TURNING TO GOD, or of MAKING A DECISION FOR ITSELF THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO RETURN TO GOD. There was absolutely no desire, no will, nor any purpose on the part of mankind to return to God. The people of Israel, with the Gentiles, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord and His Anointed. They wouldn't have "this man" to rule over them. They were finished with Jesus, the Son of the living God. So Jesus declared that the world must decide what it would do, yet it was in no condition to decide!
This condition is again mirrored in the lives of our children. In the life of a child, there are times when decisions must be made, and the child is not capable of deciding, SO SOMEONE ELSE MUST DO IT FOR HIM. The parent, or other responsible person, must make the decision. Here in chapter twelve of John we see a whole world that is estranged from God and dead in trespasses and sins, without God and without hope. Here was a world whose ears were stopped, whose eyes were blinded, and understanding had been taken from their hearts. Yet this world was going to be required to make a decision!
Another profound statement, freighted with meaning, accompanies the statement by Jesus that we have previously quoted. He said, "NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out" (Jn. 12:31). Christ proclaims two great truths which cannot be separated. "NOW is the judgment (decision) of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out." The world had come to the crossroads and must make a decision, but was not capable of doing it. So Jesus said that the prince of this world would be cast out and that He, Jesus, the last Adam, the representative of the whole human race, would decide for the whole human race, just as the first Adam, the first representative man, decided for us all. If the first Adam, as a representative man was able to decide or all the world and put us all into sin and death, then the last Adam, the Christ of God, as the representative man could decide to take all of us out of sin!
How meaningful, then, the inspired words of the apostle Paul, "For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son..." (Rom. 5:10). According to all human reasoning this is an impossibility - that my enemy could be reconciled to me by the death of my own son. But Paul argues that the death of Jesus reconciled us, the enemies of God, unto God. By the death of the Son of God was this wrought. Naturally, an enemy would refuse to be reconciled. He would have nothing to do with it. Nevertheless, God sent His Son, and by the dying of that Son, reconciled T-H-E W-0-R-L-D unto Himself (2 Cor. 5:19). God did not consult with the world, did not ask the world whether it wanted to be reconciled. He just went ahead and did it! God knew from the beginning that we would not be capable of deciding for ourselves. We would be so bound by the fetters of sin, so bound by out pride and ignorance, our minds so twisted by the illusions of this world, our reasoning so warped by the god of this world, that we could not decide. So God decreed that He would seal up all humanity in unbelief, conclude all under sin, stop up their ears that they could not hear, blind their eyes that they could not see, and take understanding front their hearts that they could not understand. He would send His own Son as a representative man to make the decision for us, to lead us all back to Himself, since we were notable to direct our path or order our way. He concluded us all in unbelief and then let JESUS DECIDE FOR US. This, God did!
BY ONE MAN! Dare we believe it? Dare we embrace the simple but glorious truth that "...as by the offense of one judgment came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life" (Rom. 5:18)? Are the blessed words of the apostle Paul too good to be true, wherein he states, "God was in Christ RECONCILING T-H-E W-0-R-L-D unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation" (2 Cor. 5:19)? Ah - the destiny of the whole race was settled in one man, even Jesus. He was both the sacrifice and the new federal head of the race who would gather us all up into His loving arms and bring us back to God. He would lead all into salvation. Oh! how I rejoice that God did not permit the world to decide the eternal question, but that He sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, to do it for us. What matchless love! And in God's own good time, as the orderly procession of the ages run their course, all will be worked out for His glory.
In view of the marvelous, glorious, majestic and all-inclusive work of the last Adam - what good would it do for man to be a FREE MORAL AGENT? God has overruled the will of man, anyway. Oh, no, beloved, man is not a free moral agent. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY MAN WHO IS A FREE MORAL AGENT. And He made the right choice, the one and only right decision. And HE MADE IT FOR US ALL! Praise His name! And we, the FIRSTFRUITS of His redemption, are the proof, the guarantee, that God is both willing and able to save ALL. Thank God! Man is NOT a free moral agent!

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[Ben12]

Amen God will not be mocked; He will have his judgements and will punish (prune) the wicked (but not forever) Here is a perfect example of men pushing man made religious fear; so much for the Good news with these doctrines of Damnations. Are you saying Jesus blood is so weak and helpless; it just cannot handle the sin of Adam; I not.

 

[Nadiine]

Mt. 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ​

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

EXACTLY WHICH PART OF THESE PASSAGES ARE UNCLEAR TO YOU?
Where in these passages do you see that people are entering God's kingdom LATER even tho they're workers (dedicated to the practice and work of) SIN.
He said He never knew them!

You still haven't shown me the lengthy descriptions at the judgments where God is reviewing their new-found acceptance of God and LETTING THEM BACK INTO HIS KINGDOM.
W'ere shown & detailed when & how Gods put them into punishment, WHERE & WHEN ARE THEY LET OUT & LET IN TO HIS KINGDOM?
Please show me this explained process by God.

Another concept of admittance to God's kingdom:

Mt. 10:
32 "Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. ​

 

[Nadiine]

shortest post:

 

[GuardianShua]

In regards to our bibles: Are more interested in interpretations, or correct translations? If you only want the pure word of God, then you should spend time studying the translation of certain words.

 

[Nadiine]

This kinda resembles me after reading some of these scary doctrines being peddled around this place.

 

[Nadiine]

Amen God will not be mocked; He will have his judgements and will punish (prune) the wicked (but not forever) Here is a perfect example of men pushing man made religious fear; so much for the Good news with these doctrines of Damnations. Are you saying Jesus blood is so weak and helpless; it just cannot handle the sin of Adam; I not.

YOU'RE SAYING JESUS BLOOD COVERS PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT THEIR SIN COVERED BY HIM and rejected Him AND His sacrifice.

You're thinking is off! It's not that His blood cannot, IT'S THAT HIS BLOOD WILL NOT cover those who reject that gift.
If you refuse a gift given to you, then you do not HAVE IT. It's just that simple Ben.

You keep twisting the belief of Orthodox Christians - WE BELIEVE JESUS' BLOOD COVERS OVER & REMOVES SIN - BUT ONLY OVER THE SINS OF THOSE WHO REPENT AND TURN to accept Christ as Savior.
THEN His blood is over them and their sins remitted. Atonement.

WAKE UP and at least get our beliefs right. thanx.

 

[TheLivingWater]

There is no hell ?

Hmm ...

Let's see
The lost will be in a place where God doesn't hear and is not rpesent.
What's the meaning of this ? What does God do for us today tomorrow in the past right now ?

Answer yourself this question and you will know what a place without God be like

And note that it is writen " Where theyr worm doesn't die"

So what is a place without God's blessing, mursey, help, love, understanding, nurishment, breath of life and so on + a not dieing soul ?

I sure call this place Hell

 

[GuardianShua]

There is no hell ?

Hmm ...

Let's see
The lost will be in a place where God doesn't hear and is not rpesent.
What's the meaning of this ? What does God do for us today tomorrow in the past right now ?

Answer yourself this question and you will know what a place without God be like

And note that it is writen " Where theyr worm doesn't die"

So what is a place without God's blessing, mursey, help, love, understanding, nurishment, breath of life and so on + a not dieing soul ?

I sure call this place Hell

When I say I dont believe in hell, I mean the place. The punishment for sin is death, but not for those who are saved. The dead are cut off from life for all eternity. The word "hell" was introduced into scripture in place of the words "pit" and "grave". I believe that it is a sin to join Pagan beliefs to the word of God, our bibles.

 

[Zecryphon]

I've studied 'tradition', the NT promotes us to continue in the traditions God ordained... by the by, COMMUNION & BAPTISM are "traditions" taught to us to continue in too.
Is that now evil?

I'm very leary of people coming in to shred the foundations we have in order to promote their own truth; while showing rebellion to what's already CLEARLY taught throughout it.

Luckily for us, Zechryphon, even if we're all wrong, we still get into heaven anyways - so breathe a sigh of relief. So ben shouldn't really worry about our error or leading others into it.... should he?

He shouldn't, but since he's the "bright" and we're all the "dims", he feels a need to educate us. Not so we can all have the truth of God, but so we can all think like he does and understand the scriptures the way he does. The problem is he has zero knowledge of the scriptures to work with. He doesn't understand the basics and is so full of pride and ego that any little correction is seen as a doctrine of the devil, a lie of man or a pagan addition, mistranslation or evil tradition of men. In my opinion, you should not teach if you are not willing to learn at the same time.

 

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