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Recall Notice (This is like a parable to those who understand computer. I thought this is interesting) The maker of all human beings is recalling all units manufactured, regardless of make or year, due to the serious defect in the primary and central component of the heart. This is due to a malfunction in the original prototype units code named Adam and Eve, resulting in the reproduction of the same defect in all subsequent units. This defect has been technically termed, 'Subsequential Internal Non Morality,' or more commonly known as S-I-N, as it is primarily symptomized by loss of moral judgment. Some other symptoms: (a) Loss of direction (b) Foul vocal emissions (c) Amnesia of origin (d) Lack of peace and joy (e) Selfish, or violent, behavior (f) Depression or confusion in the mental component (g) Fearful (h) Idolatry The manufacturer, who is neither liable or at fault for this defect, providing factory authorized repair and service, free charge to correct this SIN defect. The number to call for the recall station in your area is: P-R-A-Y-E-R. Once connected, please upload your burden of SIN by Pressing R-E-P-E-N-T-A-N-C-E. Next, download J-E-S-U-S into the heart. No matter how big or small the SIN defect is, JESUS repair will replace it with: (a) Love (b) Joy (c) Peace (d) Longsuffering (e) Gentleness (f) Goodness (g) Faith (h) Meekness (i) Temperance Please see operating manual, HOLY BIBLE, for further details on the use of these fixes. WARNING: Continuing to operate the human unit without correction, voids the manufacturer's warranty, exposing owner to dangers and problems too numerous to list and will result in the human unit being permanently impounded. For free emergency service, call on J-E-S-U-S. DANGER: The human units not receiving this recall action will have to be scraped in the furnace. The SIN defect must not enter heaven or else heaven will be infected. Authorized by: The Creator.
"I AM one of those people you are talking about. This is why I 'assume' you are talking to me... especially when you are addressing my posts."Hey Zecryphon,
I'm not going to rehash and rehash things over and over. I getting pretty tired of it actually.
There is one thing I want to say though in regards to this..
Why do you assume that you are one of the people I am talking about?
"You haven't been listening."
Again, you're assuming that you are the only person I've talked to about this, which is not true.
I AM one of those people you are talking about. This is why I 'assume' you are talking to me... especially when you are addressing my posts. And I don't assume I am the only person you are talking to. However, it is important in conversations to listen to others so you don't misunderstand what they have to say. You want to take a stand against a 'heresy' but don't even know what that so called heresy entails cuz you don't want to listen.
Peace to you anyways..
"I AM one of those people you are talking about. This is why I 'assume' you are talking to me... especially when you are addressing my posts."
Our most recent exchange here was not initiated because I addressed one of your posts. It started because you addressed what I had said to LJ regarding what she thought James was saying in his posts. It had nothing to do with you.
"And I don't assume I am the only person you are talking to. However, it is important in conversations to listen to others so you don't misunderstand what they have to say. You want to take a stand against a 'heresy' but don't even know what that so called heresy entails cuz you don't want to listen."
The idea that all people, whether they are Christian or not go to the Lake of Fire to burn for their sin is one heresy in this thread and it is being promoted by James. There are others as well.
Well, I'm glad to see that I"m not the only one that read it that way. That's exactly how I read his post - Imo, he's been rather unclear in what he actually means in several different posts since when I confront him on an issue, he backtracks as if he never meant it that way."I AM one of those people you are talking about. This is why I 'assume' you are talking to me... especially when you are addressing my posts."
Our most recent exchange here was not initiated because I addressed one of your posts. It started because you addressed what I had said to LJ regarding what she thought James was saying in his posts. It had nothing to do with you.
"And I don't assume I am the only person you are talking to. However, it is important in conversations to listen to others so you don't misunderstand what they have to say. You want to take a stand against a 'heresy' but don't even know what that so called heresy entails cuz you don't want to listen."
The idea that all people, whether they are Christian or not go to the Lake of Fire to burn for their sin is one heresy in this thread and it is being promoted by James. There are others as well.
Thanks for the much needed humor.Here's something I saw in another thread, thought it might give someone a laugh or a thought.
Well, I'm glad to see that I"m not the only one that read it that way. That's exactly how I read his post - Imo, he's been rather unclear in what he actually means in several different posts since when I confront him on an issue, he backtracks as if he never meant it that way.
Confusing is a mild word for it - what I dislike is being pointed at like I'm the nutjob for understanding how it's actually written out.
Whether someone means something or not is beside the point when what they write directly points to what you perceived.
oh well.
I think you're getting unitarianism and univeralism mixed up.I believe all men will be saved by Jesus. That is not a secret!
If you need to label me, label me a Christian Universalist because I am not a Universalist. There is a big difference. This has been explained to you many, many times. Here is a copy of one of my replies to you from a few days ago.
There is no point in be discussing issues with someone with such a short memory.
You are right, I was in another thread with you, ben, tavita, and a few others where YOU brought up the subject of universalism. Before that, I didnt know what universalism was. It was Tavita that pointed out to you the difference between universalism and Christian universalism. I learned what they were from Tavita and thought you did to. I have never been a universalist and have never preached universalism and dont support it. If you have to label me then call me a Christian Universalist. Better yet, dont label me at all. My doctrine is not stagnant, it is evolving as I learn.
Michael folded the map and slipped it back into his tunic.
"Quentin," said Michael, "I'm afraid you can't come into Hell with us."
"Why not?" he asked.
"You are a mortal. The place where we are going has strict rules against that sort of thing."
"But he's a mortal" said Quentin, pointing at Reggie. "How come he can go?"
"I cannot get into it. Suffice it to say that there is something different about Reggie.
"It's because he's a guitar player, isn't it? All those metal songs about Hell had to be written from experience, didn't they? I always knew that there was something funny about guitar players. That's it, isn't it?"
-Lawson Alan
The point is, labeling me one thing or another is not going to win me over. And it is not going to win over any newbie’s to this site either.I think you're getting unitarianism and univeralism mixed up.
I try only to label beliefs, not people, but sometimes I mess upThe point is, labeling me one thing or another is not going to win me over. And it is not going to win over any newbie’s to this site either.
Me too. I try to speak about the topic and not the person but sometimes respond in kind when attacked personally.I try only to label beliefs, not people, but sometimes I mess upThe reason I label beliefs is that is it helpful for communication. Instead of writing out what one believes, they can just say I believe in "universalism". Much fewer words. It just so happens to be the reason for labeling people as well. It's just easier I guess.
This has got to be another verse that's abused and misread (READ INTO) too much - right up there with "judge not lest you be judged" verse that's hacked to death.Philippians 2:9-11: "Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
When every human being that God has created in His image stands before Him in judgement, and, as the Word says, they bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father, it really makes sense that He is not going to torture them in literal hell fire for eternity, in fact, they will not have literal flesh to torture, they will be in a spiritual body, so it is a spiritual fire,Glory!!
Its also good to know that our loved ones that didn't bow in this life are going to be there, though they won't have much reward, if any, according to 1 cor 3
12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. 13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. 14 If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. 15 But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames
How can it be literal hell fire[like my backyard fire pit] if they are spirit, it has to be Spiritual fire
Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming [spiritual] fire
Well that's what I've SAID, you support Universalism! Geeeeeeesh.I believe all men will be saved by Jesus. That is not a secret!
If you need to label me, label me a Christian Universalist because I am not a Universalist. There is a big difference. This has been explained to you many, many times. Here is a copy of one of my replies to you from a few days ago.
There is no point in me discussing issues with someone with such a short memory.
You are right, I was in another thread with you, ben, tavita, and a few others where YOU brought up the subject of universalism. Before that, I didnt know what universalism was. It was Tavita that pointed out to you the difference between universalism and Christian universalism. I learned what they were from Tavita and thought you did to. I have never been a universalist and have never preached universalism and dont support it. If you have to label me then call me a Christian Universalist. Better yet, dont label me at all. My doctrine is not stagnant, it is evolving as I learn.
John 5Since the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the lake of fire is spiritual both now[Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming fire] and at the great white throne judgement, alot of scriptures really make sense now
For instance
Philippians 2:9-11: "Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
When every human being that God has created in His image stands before Him in judgement, and, as the Word says, they bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father, it really makes sense that He is not going to torture them in literal hell fire for eternity, in fact, they will not have literal flesh to torture, they will be in a spiritual body, so it is a spiritual fire,Glory!!
Its also good to know that our loved ones that didn't bow in this life are going to be there, though they won't have much reward, if any, according to 1 cor 3
12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. 13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. 14 If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. 15 But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames
Again, one of the biggest points is, at the judgement, they wont be in a flesh body, they will be in spirit and they will be purged in spiritual fire, the flesh body goes back to dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it
Ecclesiastes 12:7 amplified
7Then shall the dust [out of which God made man's body] return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God Who gave it.
How can it be literal hell fire[like my backyard fire pit] if they are spirit, it has to be Spiritual fire
Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming [spiritual] fire
Quote:Yes, and I am one of them.
Amen!Since the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the lake of fire is spiritual both now[Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming fire] and at the great white throne judgement, alot of scriptures really make sense now
For instance
Philippians 2:9-11: "Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
When every human being that God has created in His image stands before Him in judgement, and, as the Word says, they bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father, it really makes sense that He is not going to torture them in literal hell fire for eternity, in fact, they will not have literal flesh to torture, they will be in a spiritual body, so it is a spiritual fire,Glory!!
Its also good to know that our loved ones that didn't bow in this life are going to be there, though they won't have much reward, if any, according to 1 cor 3
12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materialsgold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. 13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a persons work has any value. 14 If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. 15 But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames
Again, one of the biggest points is, at the judgement, they wont be in a flesh body, they will be in spirit and they will be purged in spiritual fire, the flesh body goes back to dust and the spirit returns to God who gave it
Ecclesiastes 12:7 amplified
7Then shall the dust [out of which God made man's body] return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God Who gave it.
How can it be literal hell fire[like my backyard fire pit] if they are spirit, it has to be Spiritual fire
Heb 12:29 Our God is a consuming [spiritual] fire
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